Mass shooting thread

[Mango kid]

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[LEGION]

 

 

Dude. The NRA is in favor of more liberal gun laws. This dude easily got a gun and you don't see the connection?

I think you may need to specify more. The first statement while not true entirely, does not seem related to the second. What connection are you referring to? Are you saying that the NRA made sure that situations like this shooters history are purposely left off of records? What is your point exactly?

They are against more strict gun regulation, yet the current regulation leads to mass shootings on a high rate

[Bdon]

Is he was dishonorably discharged that right there disqualifies you you from being allowed to buy any weapon ever again

Even if they didnt tell them it would show up on a background check

I've read it was a bad conduct discharge which does not count the same as dishonorable. He should however have been flagged for his domestic abuse. That is a serious mishap on someone's part. Had they reported it, it may have prevented him from buying one legally but not necessarily from getting one.

 

 

 

Dude. The NRA is in favor of more liberal gun laws. This dude easily got a gun and you don't see the connection?

I think you may need to specify more. The first statement while not true entirely, does not seem related to the second. What connection are you referring to? Are you saying that the NRA made sure that situations like this shooters history are purposely left off of records? What is your point exactly?

They are against more strict gun regulation, yet the current regulation leads to mass shootings on a high rate

Oh do you mean liberal in the proper sense of the term and not modern USA liberal? Cause that would make more sense.

 

Firstly, whether the NRA believes in lax or stricter is irrelevant to him getting a gun. Him getting a gun is because of mistakes made in reporting his violent history. Which goes back to what I said a long time ago. If they would do their jobs now then the laws we have in place would prevent it better. Not much but it is already more than any other law being added can do.

 

Secondly that last sentence is a gross overstatement. There is no evidence to support that our laws now, leads to mass shootings at a higher rate. That's blatantly false and irresponsible. The number of mass shootings increasing could be a valid statement, however assuming that lax gun laws or guns period are the root cause is way too shallow of a claim to make. We have a growing number of groups that are being radicalized here domestically. The media glorifies shooters and tragedy for ratings. Due to the media and social media, there is a feeling of racial tension and division that would have people believe we're on the brink of civil war and some of these assholes probably wanna start one. There far more things at play here that can help set some of these crazy added off and that could be what happened here.

 

I find it hard to believe this wasn't motivated politically or religiously. If he wanted a person dead he could've done it. This was a statement. But we'll probably never know. Stricter regulation in this country will no longer work. Far too many people and guns here now.

[AONO.]

Good idea. Might as well shoot eachother then. Oh well...

 

"it sucks and it just a terrible part of life" yes. IN THE US.

[M3J]

wtf? post disappeared. But to sum it up, the right will blame the left/liberals for almost anything, even when it's the right who *Censored* things up. I usually blame the right because they deserve it, like the right wing politicians who only offer prayers and thoughts whenever mass shootings happen instead of trying to reduce the amount of shootings. I mean, the right will literally get triggered at anything and automatically blame or insult the left or liberals, who have nothing to do with anything, whereas the left and liberals don't go "stinky right wingers!" whenever mass shootings occur.

And gun control laws need to be stricter. The NRA deserve to be blamed because they're the ones who pay politicians to do nothing. Despite the dishonorable discharge, the shooter was able to buy guns legally. Few sources say that one thing most shooters, if not white shooters, have in common is a history of domestic violence.

 

Odd how despite guns being banned in most countries, they rarely see mass shootings, even though criminals can illegally get guns and do tons of damage.

 

Blaming mentally ill people isn't just ignorant, it also further stigmatizes mental illness and reinforces the stereotype that mentally ill people are violent.

[EJ!]

"But you aren't capable of accepting that it's just a horrible part of life that sucks. And you can't stop it."

Aw man. Bdon we disagree on a lot but I am begging you, pleading for you to tell me that you don't actually believe this. I mean it's kind of the admission I've been waiting for but to actually see it be said is shocking. That is a wild statement. For one it inherently assumes that the world is the US and the US is the world, and we know that's not true because as stated time and time again, this doesn't happen that frequently in other countries. This statement also acts as if guns are as natural as the leaves on a tree, and that these frequent mass shootings are just something we should get over and get used to. You stated you're a God-fearing man, according to the Bible, God didn't build an armory for Adam and Eve to load up in. Why think this is just another part of life?

I know you don't want these shootings normalized, but that's what's happening as many of us are less and less affected by each shooting. That in itself makes me incredibly sad. The mindset you seem to be stuck in would definitely speed up normalization if more people thought this way.

[Mango kid]

Does this technically make the u.s. Air Force liable for a lawsuit

[Bdon]

Good idea. Might as well shoot eachother then. Oh well...

 

"it sucks and it just a terrible part of life" yes. IN THE US.

Dramatic post is dramatic.

 

wtf? post disappeared. But to sum it up, the right will blame the left/liberals for almost anything, even when it's the right who *Censored* things up. I usually blame the right because they deserve it, like the right wing politicians who only offer prayers and thoughts whenever mass shootings happen instead of trying to reduce the amount of shootings. I mean, the right will literally get triggered at anything and automatically blame or insult the left or liberals, who have nothing to do with anything, whereas the left and liberals don't go "stinky right wingers!" whenever mass shootings occur.

 

And gun control laws need to be stricter. The NRA deserve to be blamed because they're the ones who pay politicians to do nothing. Despite the dishonorable discharge, the shooter was able to buy guns legally. Few sources say that one thing most shooters, if not white shooters, have in common is a history of domestic violence.

 

Odd how despite guns being banned in most countries, they rarely see mass shootings, even though criminals can illegally get guns and do tons of damage.

 

Blaming mentally ill people isn't just ignorant, it also further stigmatizes mental illness and reinforces the stereotype that mentally ill people are violent.

What world are you living in?

 

"But you aren't capable of accepting that it's just a horrible part of life that sucks. And you can't stop it."

 

Aw man. Bdon we disagree on a lot but I am begging you, pleading for you to tell me that you don't actually believe this. I mean it's kind of the admission I've been waiting for but to actually see it be said is shocking. That is a wild statement. For one it inherently assumes that the world is the US and the US is the world, and we know that's not true because as stated time and time again, this doesn't happen that frequently in other countries. This statement also acts as if guns are as natural as the leaves on a tree, and that these frequent mass shootings are just something we should get over and get used to. You stated you're a God-fearing man, according to the Bible, God didn't build an armory for Adam and Eve to load up in. Why think this is just another part of life?

 

I know you don't want these shootings normalized, but that's what's happening as many of us are less and less affected by each shooting. That in itself makes me incredibly sad. The mindset you seem to be stuck in would definitely speed up normalization if more people thought this way.

Admission? I've said this quite a bit. Surprised you're just now seeing it. Also we need to clarify a few things. First, you're speaking of mass shootings. That's an umbrella term. Second, I never stated I was a "God-fearing man". If you want to get into that we can I guess but I'd rather not. And third, you can't stop people from hating. You can't stop everyone from committing violence. In some cases you can. Through self protection you increase your chances at stopping or ending acts of violence. But laws will not do it. My only belief is that it may be possible to increase punishments for breaking those laws that may hopefully deter some of those criminals from doing it. But not even that is guaranteed.

 

No one wants these things to happen and I'm not saying you should be ok with it so don't misunderstand. But if you think adding laws or restrictions on guns will stop murder which is already illegal then the conversation can't be furthered. Because that has already proven not to work here. You can talk about guns and the amount of mass shootings but violent crimes are steadily decreasing as a whole. We should probably be discussing why there is an increase of seemingly mentally unstable people committing these acts or the radicalized individuals doing it for a political statement. We are in a very weird state in society where there are increasing numbers of protest groups, white supremacists, antifa, ect. Media and alternative media are fighting it out for viewers. Right now is just a tense time and the crazies are coming out. Has anyone questioned whether or not this kid was on or off of prescribed meds? That seems to be a relation in most of these cases. But everyone just focuses on the tools they use.

 

Also here is a pretty good video of the argument against gun ownership and statistics of different things against it. I encourage you to watch the whole thing. Pretty insightful. It covers just about everything that is repeated on these boards often.

[AONO.]

no it wasn't dramatic. it was a reaction to your sentence where you sepcifly said that these things are part of life that people need to get used to, and that there is nothing you can do about it. which is objectivly wrong.

 

And it doesn't happen in other countries as it does in the U.S... FACT!

 

Stopped watching after 3 min of this video. She acknowledge the fact that other countries are smaller and the point was that despite that the number of those kind of mass hsootings is till waaay higher than it should or could be. and he "rebutal" was: "but it didn't include per capita, US is much bigger", lmao.

 

Seriously dude. WE GET IT. You like guns, you are against the more gun control. FINE. But you are breaching a line everyday with your posts. You have been prooven wrong countless of times already. So what is the point of your posts? Since you are saying either factually wrong stuff, or just "asking questions" and saying there is nothing you can do about it. Your arguments are not even arguments and you sound delusional.

 

"Humans will be vioelnt" such an insight.

[Mango kid]

there has been 307 mass shooting this year alone

 

 

8 happen already this month

[nWo_Kevin]

You can talk about guns and the amount of mass shootings but violent crimes are steadily decreasing as a whole. We should probably be discussing why there is an increase of seemingly mentally unstable people committing these acts or the radicalized individuals doing it for a political statement. We are in a very weird state in society where there are increasing numbers of protest groups, white supremacists, antifa, ect. Media and alternative media are fighting it out for viewers. Right now is just a tense time and the crazies are coming out.

 

This won't get enough attention, but its spot on. We are currently living in a world where anyone on the right who doesn't agree with you is a Nazi and anyone on the left who doesn't agree with you is a socialist that hates America. That for some reason the answer to any conflict is violence. But as Bdon said, violent crimes and gun crimes continue to decrease, despite having more guns than perhaps any time in the history of our country. There is more to this than just guns and by not talking about anything but guns we are essentially putting a politically driven band-aid over the issues at hand.

 

Also I don't understand why some are angry at those talking about "prayers". As if its a bad thing, as if the people who died at church would be angry at those praying for them. Obama sang Amazing Grace after the Charleston church shooting, does no one remember that. Was that OK than?

[AONO.]

You said a different thing from Bdon actually. Even described him at one point.

And I could agree in some points and to a degree.

At least sounds reasonable.

 

But again. Just to shrug off and say nothing can be done about it is ridicolous. These type of mass shootings is a different "phenomenon" than just violent crimes with guns. And the thing that in some cases there is a lower number of violent crimes has nothing to do with this.

 

Compromises and laws can be put in place to better the situation without taking your rights. And to dismiss that notion is completely ignorant.

[M3J]

To be fair, it's usually the right white supremacists, anti-Semites, and in general violent hate groups that are called Nazis.

 

And reread the entire posts, don't zero in on one or two sentences. You'll find out why some of us have a problem with "prayers and thoughts."

 

If mass shooting stopped, I'm sure fewer people would want stricter gun control laws or keep bringing up that we do need stricter gun control laws.

[LEGION]

Per capita the USA is nothing to most Europe countries. There are 80 Million people living in an area way smaller than Texas in my country. The point about capita is ridiculous.

[Bdon]

no it wasn't dramatic. it was a reaction to your sentence where you sepcifly said that these things are part of life that people need to get used to, and that there is nothing you can do about it. which is objectivly wrong.

 

And it doesn't happen in other countries as it does in the U.S... FACT!

 

Stopped watching after 3 min of this video. She acknowledge the fact that other countries are smaller and the point was that despite that the number of those kind of mass hsootings is till waaay higher than it should or could be. and he "rebutal" was: "but it didn't include per capita, US is much bigger", lmao.

 

Seriously dude. WE GET IT. You like guns, you are against the more gun control. FINE. But you are breaching a line everyday with your posts. You have been prooven wrong countless of times already. So what is the point of your posts? Since you are saying either factually wrong stuff, or just "asking questions" and saying there is nothing you can do about it. Your arguments are not even arguments and you sound delusional.

 

"Humans will be vioelnt" such an insight.

For one you put words in my mouth. I didn't say people just need to deal or get used to it. I just said it's a part of life and something you won't be able to stop. I mean how am I wrong? We won't stop people from killing people. That's just something that we can't actually do. That's been a thing since the beginning of time. I know that triggers people but it is what it is. Applying things in desperation and false hope doesn't do anything but put a band-aid on the issue, if that. There are deeper conversations that should be had about what's going on with society and social issues today. Why the US is in it's current state for example. But no one can get past party politics and blaming the tools to talk about why people are flying off of their rocker trying to make some kind of statement or helping or even containing those with dangerous violent histories. We should be looking into actual reasons why mass shootings could be increasing. But to throw out a bunch of bullshit propaganda and place blame where it doesn't belong helps nothing. I'll elaborate on another of your quotes below.

 

Not really surprised you of all people here wouldn't open their minds for 20 minutes to hear a pretty good rebuttal. Despite what you think of the numbers per capita he makes very good points together through the video. You stopping just to tell everyone you skipped it either shows you're full of shit or you are just as close minded as you sound most of the time.

 

What line am I breaching exactly? How have I been proven wrong? And for the love of god, please spell check your posts. You're beginning to sound like AustinFan.

 

there has been 307 mass shooting this year alone

 

 

8 happen already this month

lol. Yeah if you count all those gang and drug related shootings. Easy to put the number up when there is no actual defining term of what a mass shooting is. It varies from 4 to 5 people hit or killed. And most are gang and drug related don't kid yourself. That's the problem with all of this. We are looking at this shit on a basic surface level and don't actually get to the heart of all of it. It's just easy for people to say "guns are the problem, they are bad, and getting rid of them will fix it". It's easy to look at the media's stories and draw the conclusion of them being the problem. That's the point of them. They hope you are just as stupid as them when it comes to this stuff. And most of the time it's the case.

 

You said a different thing from Bdon actually. Even described him at one point.

 

And I could agree in some points and to a degree.

 

At least sounds reasonable.

 

But again. Just to shrug off and say nothing can be done about it is ridicolous. These type of mass shootings is a different "phenomenon" than just violent crimes with guns. And the thing that in some cases there is a lower number of violent crimes has nothing to do with this.

 

Compromises and laws can be put in place to better the situation without taking your rights. And to dismiss that notion is completely ignorant.

What did he even say that was all that different? And how did he describe me? I'd love to hear it, lol.

 

No statistically "these" types of mass shootings are still extremely small compared to the number of murders and other "mass shootings" across the US every year. You're right about one thing. They are different. And we need to start discussing what is or could be driving these maniacs to the forefront. How bout the fact that the political parties are in shambles across the aisle? How about all the shit spread across the internet and media about certain groups of people ranging from political parties, religions, and color? It creates division and nothing less. Or the fact that we glorify mass shootings in the media and some crazy ass just wants to make a name for himself. We have many instances across the globe where there is an attack and some group is taking the responsibility for it. Whether it's them or not really doesn't matter. It just goes to show you how screwed up and political things are across the globe now. Between the EU and Brexit, Immigration in most countries and the issues that come with that, foreign and domestic terrorism in those countries including ours, we are all in a crazy state right now. In times like these you almost have to factor all of this in with the rise of these kinds of events.

 

How about the perpetuation of racial division in america since Obama was in office and handed over to the next administration? And since the rise of groups like the BLM, there have been political answers to each group rising up with just as extreme groups on the opposite side. Then you have two different extreme groups that scour the internet like Kek's on 4chan and SJW's. Between race, religion, political status, social status, class warfare, and now alternative news, we have closed in on a boiling point. And now instead of fixing this shit you are focused on tools these psychos use that already have regulations instead of the psychos that don't. You're more worried about choosing a side and sticking to it than to learn from both and do it differently. How about we start learning why these people are turning on their own people in this country, and, if they are mentally screwed up, then maybe we need to start taking that shit more serious. You know, I've actually heard people say that the NRA probably paid off the Airforce to make sure this guy in texas got a gun? That is the most preposterous shit I've ever heard. You wanna talk about a conspiracy. Now they are no doubt a political power and they are no doubt a little too much at times and I don't always agree with them, but if it wasn't for them and their members' money, then the government would have no doubt taken further liberties with our gun laws. Of course you could ban the NRA tomorrow and another 3rd party group would rise up just like that. Shit isn't going anywhere.

 

Now if overall gun violence is down, and murder rates and violent crimes are decreasing and it's just these attacks that are increasing, then I can't really look to the guns as much as I have to look to the times we live in. What else is going on around us? Like what I mentioned above. These are attention grabbing attacks. These are statements. These are either statements for something or a Mentally deranged person's random attack. Either way, It's going to take far more than a few extra gun laws to tackle these issues. We have been heading down this path for a long long time. And we need to stop thinking that doing what other countries are doing about gun regulation will work when the staggering number of people and guns already exist to a degree that isn't reversible as well as the culture.

 

As far as this case goes in Texas. We still have more to learn. All signs point to him having a massive history of mental issues that and resembles one point I made above. If what they say is true and it wasn't politically or religiously motivated (which is possible but hard to believe) then he was a lunatic that wanted to make himself famous through something tragic like this. He should've have been taken care of when they had the opportunity and properly. He shouldn't have been free if he was as insane as they are saying. Hindsight is always 20/20 though I guess. In this case, the system that failed did not have anything to do with guns or the background check process itself. It had to do with them not reporting his behavior and locking him up. So before we start adding to gun laws. Why don't we make sure other parts of the system catches up first?

 

 

You can talk about guns and the amount of mass shootings but violent crimes are steadily decreasing as a whole. We should probably be discussing why there is an increase of seemingly mentally unstable people committing these acts or the radicalized individuals doing it for a political statement. We are in a very weird state in society where there are increasing numbers of protest groups, white supremacists, antifa, ect. Media and alternative media are fighting it out for viewers. Right now is just a tense time and the crazies are coming out.

 

This won't get enough attention, but its spot on. We are currently living in a world where anyone on the right who doesn't agree with you is a Nazi and anyone on the left who doesn't agree with you is a socialist that hates America. That for some reason the answer to any conflict is violence. But as Bdon said, violent crimes and gun crimes continue to decrease, despite having more guns than perhaps any time in the history of our country. There is more to this than just guns and by not talking about anything but guns we are essentially putting a politically driven band-aid over the issues at hand.

 

Also I don't understand why some are angry at those talking about "prayers". As if its a bad thing, as if the people who died at church would be angry at those praying for them. Obama sang Amazing Grace after the Charleston church shooting, does no one remember that. Was that OK than?

 

No no one remembers that. If they do, it's not the same. Because he pushed the agenda they wanted.

[AONO.]

lmao. yeah I'm the closed mind one. right. Or maybe cus I don't care for that Vox video also? And I've seen his type of argumentation, and I've seen that stuff too many times. So yeah, as soo as I started writting the fact that I didn't watch it whole, your attack was seen hundreds of miles away.

 

And you actually manage to say a good thing. Like... sure there is a deeper problem to all of this and for the current situation. And I was writing about that many times also. So don't pretend I'm like just about this gun thread dude, and that I'm saying this is the only problem the US has. You just flipped the whole thing around, like we don't recognise other problems and deeper societal issues. Very manipulative there dude.

 

Then you were talking about racial issues that were a thing since Obama was in office and were handed to the current administration. Well, ok. Who couldn't cope with the fact that he was an african american president? Everything he did was claimed to be "left" or "socialist" which made no sense whatsoever... even asked him for his BIRTH CERTIFICATE? But I digress, since that wasn't your main point I guess.

 

And again, you are just flipping this for... well I'm not even sure what reason. Since this is a thread and discussion about that specific problem, everything that you mentioned I've discussed in the US politics thread.

 

And literally nobody said you can stop all people from killing people. This obviously indicates once again that you can't comprehend or refuse to the problem at hand and what people are saying.

[M3J]

"Pushed the agenda they wanted."

 

Making it sound like as if wanting politicians to try and stop gun violence is a bad thing. This Obama hate truly makes people ignorant. Let's put this in another way. If Trump offered prayers and thoughts after a mass shooting but actually pushed for stricter gun control or something, he wouldn't get criticized for that. If Obama didn't do anything about gun control and reducing gun violence but instead offered prayers and thoughts, he'd get criticized. I know it's a difficult concept to understand, but politicians offering prayers isn't the problem here, it's the fact that they're doing nothing to curb the violence that's the issue. I mean, this isn't rocket science, all it requires is ability to understand English to know why the pro-gun control advocates have an issue.

 

If you don't want to make it harder for people to buy guns (which it should be, anyway), then tell people who have guns to stop mass shooting.

[Day Dreamer]

The fact that this has it's own thread is disheartening.

[Bdon]

The fact that this has it's own thread is disheartening.

You wouldn't want a drunk driving thread then cause that would dishearten you more often.

[Generations]

 

The fact that this has it's own thread is disheartening.

You wouldn't want a drunk driving thread then cause that would dishearten you more often.

 

 

At least drunk people make poor decisions because they're inebriated...

 

The lack of judgement associated with lethal drunk driving is sad for all involved. Deciding to go out and murder people is kind of in a league of its own...

[M3J]

Drunk driving is different from mass shooting. Drunk driving isn't done with the intention to kill people, whereas the goal of a mass shooting is to kill as many people as possible. The fact that gun lovers bring this up all the time just shows how ignorant they are.

[AONO.]

Dude says it's disheartening to see this many mass shootings recently, and this guy compares it to drunk driving.

 

It just happens... drunk drivers and mass shootings. You know... like eggs and bacon in the morning.

 

Is this considered flamebating now? Or was that just a dumbass comment?

[maskedmaniac]

Well...November has ended without any mass shootings to report about, so I guess it was a great month.

[WNX]

Wasn't there a church shooting like 2 weeks ago? Licensed gun carrier kept him from doing more damage

[M3J]

Wasn't there a church shooting like 2 weeks ago? Licensed gun carrier kept him from doing more damage

This is why I prefer tighter gun control over banning guns.

 

I hope there actually hasn't been any mass shooting, and not mass shootings that haven't been widely covered due to being desensitized. And let's let this continue for months, if not years.