Astro Zombie Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Serious question: How are they supposed to tell what's textured and what's not? I mean sometimes it's obvious with faces and whatnot but how are they supposed to tell the difference between a textured CAW and the CAW of someone who's just very good with paint tool? (Dre41 comes to mind) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keezer1 Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yep, they'll sure work hard in removing that hacked content, they sure did track down all those unfair players we can report in online matches, they sure told them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernez Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 If you see your post deleted, do not make it again. If you don't understand why it was deleted, please PM me or another mod. As far as this goes, I see why they're doing it (xbox TOC) BUT I think it's stupid to wait this long. When hundreds and maybe thousands of rendered and textured caws are on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petchy Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 It doesn't actually violate any XBL Terms of Use anyway, hence why THQ say 'potentially'. The closest suitable rule would be: "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." This still isn't 100% applicable as you are not gaining an advantage in the game with a more aesthetically pleasing character. If it were moveset / gameplay hacks however, that would violate the terms. All in all, I wouldn't worry about this. To me, it seems like they are more interested in removing hacked movesets, invisible caws etc than those that come with renders and textures. They have even praised the impact of the caws on the community, they would definitely face a backlash if they removed the popular content as they have jumped at the chance before to promote certain caws on their site, twitter and Facebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
identicalgamers Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 ^ You just calmed the whole situation down! (relax) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliber. Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I'm kinda worried , but I hope somehow I'm not included on the potential ban list. I mean, I'm not the greatest, but honestly I made decent CAWs with renders than those who upload shitty CAWs with shitty renders. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 Yeah I knew you d stick your nose in. I dont know why they bother calling this a discussion board if people are going to censor people. Their isnt a chance in hell of THQ banning people for uploading renders because it doesnt violate jack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PipebombPunk Posted April 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I agree with all of you! I guess I kind of panicked about this whole situation. I do hope they get rid of the hacked movesets, the invisible CAWS, ect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 It does indeed violate the rules as it's a modifictaion of the game or more like it's data. However, this should be only suitable for a Xbox Live ban as it's against the Live Terms of Use. I sure hope it doesn't happen though, the hacks that improve the game like renders, skintones etc. should be removed at the highest anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeG Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 I just love the irony of the RAWFShowtime Moderator on the THQ forums, as a few months ago he was totally SHITTING on CAWs.ws for not allowing 'hacking' tool talk. And now, he has to enforce the exact same rule. Hahaha. Sucks if they don't allow you guys to texture/stick renders on, but I did see it coming a while back. Contrary to belief I do actually use em personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broski Barrage Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 so thq thinks this is more important than fixing those shitty servers that have been a problem since day one oh brother. I swear if some of us worked at thq we could fix problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXMUTAXx Posted April 16, 2012 Report Share Posted April 16, 2012 If they go after the textured caws and renders then that's just crappy. The CAW mode is somewhat limited as it is so this is a pretty big blow to CAW makers. I guess the moveset hackers and invisible people had to ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 anyone think it could be pressure of xbox live team it does violate the TOC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redtraiils Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 anyone think it could be pressure of xbox live team it does violate the TOC Nope no pressure from Xbox team it's a THQ thing.Vince is probably in one of his moods again and got mad when he seen a A-train caw that looks better than what THQ/Yukes can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 You would have thought if they cared so much about hacked content they would have A. done something way sooner about it and B. not made their game so easily crackable so that so many people could do it. Kinda seems like they are punishing us for something stupid they did in the first place. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSmileySmile Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Glad they can find the time to deal with this between fixing all those bugs for WWE'13 and getting the servers running for WWE'12. Oh, what's that you say? Well damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Personally I think its pretty damn awesome when you see CAWs like this with their real Titantron in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnWubTQObsI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petchy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 It does indeed violate the rules as it's a modifictaion of the game or more like it's data. However, this should be only suitable for a Xbox Live ban as it's against the Live Terms of Use. I sure hope it doesn't happen though, the hacks that improve the game like renders, skintones etc. should be removed at the highest anything. It isn't. I've read through the terms of use for XBL numerous times before and the only point that address modifying game data doesn't apply to this scenario. If it just stated "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data" then that would have meant texturing / render adding was breaking the terms of use. However, they don't say that. Instead, they add a clause on the end of this stating "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." thus nullifying the threat of being banned from XBL as textures and renders do not affect the game play in anyway and doesn't give you an advantage / disadvantage when playing online. Whether they choose to ban people from their own servers, like EA, is up to them but I can't see that happening with legit caw makers to be perfectly honest. I just hope that those who upload hacked movesets, cheap invisible caws and such get the boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thr33X Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 It doesn't actually violate any XBL Terms of Use anyway, hence why THQ say 'potentially'. The closest suitable rule would be: "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." This still isn't 100% applicable as you are not gaining an advantage in the game with a more aesthetically pleasing character. If it were moveset / gameplay hacks however, that would violate the terms. All in all, I wouldn't worry about this. To me, it seems like they are more interested in removing hacked movesets, invisible caws etc than those that come with renders and textures. They have even praised the impact of the caws on the community, they would definitely face a backlash if they removed the popular content as they have jumped at the chance before to promote certain caws on their site, twitter and Facebook. As much as I hate to burts this bubble, hacking a CAW in general, be it the moveset or the appearance in any way is in fact an "unauthorized modification". You're modifying content using means other than what the game provides to you...so even if it is in good intention, it's still a TOS violation. This being done however does in fact make THQ a little contradictory, as they have promoted such content on their sites in the past, but they don;t want for the community to actively discuss it. Add to that now the fact that they intend to police it in some way or another, and there's no way that they can't come off as being hypocrites. In the end though, it's their IP...so they can do whatever they want and we really can't do anything about it. You waive any right to resist this the moment you accept the EULA when you first log in to do anything online. It's there for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXMUTAXx Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 It doesn't actually violate any XBL Terms of Use anyway, hence why THQ say 'potentially'. The closest suitable rule would be: "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." This still isn't 100% applicable as you are not gaining an advantage in the game with a more aesthetically pleasing character. If it were moveset / gameplay hacks however, that would violate the terms. All in all, I wouldn't worry about this. To me, it seems like they are more interested in removing hacked movesets, invisible caws etc than those that come with renders and textures. They have even praised the impact of the caws on the community, they would definitely face a backlash if they removed the popular content as they have jumped at the chance before to promote certain caws on their site, twitter and Facebook. As much as I hate to burts this bubble, hacking a CAW in general, be it the moveset or the appearance in any way is in fact an "unauthorized modification". You're modifying content using means other than what the game provides to you...so even if it is in good intention, it's still a TOS violation. This being done however does in fact make THQ a little contradictory, as they have promoted such content on their sites in the past, but they don;t want for the community to actively discuss it. Add to that now the fact that they intend to police it in some way or another, and there's no way that they can't come off as being hypocrites. In the end though, it's their IP...so they can do whatever they want and we really can't do anything about it. You waive any right to resist this the moment you accept the EULA when you first log in to do anything online. It's there for a reason. According the Petchy, the ToS goes like this, "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." A texture isn't an unfair advantage for the game, contests or promotions so it doesn't violate the ToS from what I'm understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 It does indeed violate the rules as it's a modifictaion of the game or more like it's data. However, this should be only suitable for a Xbox Live ban as it's against the Live Terms of Use. I sure hope it doesn't happen though, the hacks that improve the game like renders, skintones etc. should be removed at the highest anything. It isn't. I've read through the terms of use for XBL numerous times before and the only point that address modifying game data doesn't apply to this scenario. If it just stated "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data" then that would have meant texturing / render adding was breaking the terms of use. However, they don't say that. Instead, they add a clause on the end of this stating "Exploit a bug, or make an unauthorized modification, to any software or data to gain unfair advantage in a game, contest, or promotion." thus nullifying the threat of being banned from XBL as textures and renders do not affect the game play in anyway and doesn't give you an advantage / disadvantage when playing online. Whether they choose to ban people from their own servers, like EA, is up to them but I can't see that happening with legit caw makers to be perfectly honest. I just hope that those who upload hacked movesets, cheap invisible caws and such get the boot. Trust me Petchy I had this before and was able to say goodbye to my account even though it was just appearence. If THQ decides to work with the Xbox Live banning we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXMUTAXx Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 THQ decides if we live or die? We're screwed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 franky xbox live does see it as a premban offense and it is no matter how u try to find a loophole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Good god THQ you just can't get it through your fat heads can you? You SHOULD be worrying about ensuring that WWE 13 is good enough to pull back everyone to play, or fixing the servers that haven't worked since day one. NOT (N-O-T) trying to limit caws further. This is the exact friggin same as removing the blur glitch, you keep focusing on taking away from the communities ability to add to the game and make it better rather than fixing it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Light Paladin Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 Actually wouldn't the extra stuff make your caws downloaded/rated higher more than a caw without hence unfair advantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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