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I used to browse this site for many years back in 2012 to about 2018 and in that time period it seemed pretty active all day every day, what happened that ended the activness on this site? Is there a reason behind it? Theres many threads that havent been posted in thats on front pages since 2021 or 2022, like what gives? Any way to bring it back to those days of extreme activity? 

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Honestly, I remember when a lot of the most active members began leaving. Some left just because life got busy for them...but, others left because this place became toxic. Things were bad here for a long time. Lots of childish behavior from members and moderators alike. And the "nail in the coffin" was likely the fact that no effort went into maintaining the site or upgrading the boards. (This is still an issue, as anyone can see by the lack of certain sections that we should definitely have). Honestly, if someone gave this place a coat of fresh paint, I think it could flourish again. It just ain't happening.

As funny as it sounds, politics also contributed to the downfall of this place. The whole 2016 election season and the four years that followed were tumultuous times here. In general, people started treating each other worse (not just here)...but, this place saw its share of bans and walk-offs...and generally unsavory times. 

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On 8/9/2023 at 10:59 PM, Generations said:

Honestly, I remember when a lot of the most active members began leaving. Some left just because life got busy for them...but, others left because this place became toxic. Things were bad here for a long time. Lots of childish behavior from members and moderators alike. And the "nail in the coffin" was likely the fact that no effort went into maintaining the site or upgrading the boards. (This is still an issue, as anyone can see by the lack of certain sections that we should definitely have). Honestly, if someone gave this place a coat of fresh paint, I think it could flourish again. It just ain't happening.

As funny as it sounds, politics also contributed to the downfall of this place. The whole 2016 election season and the four years that followed were tumultuous times here. In general, people started treating each other worse (not just here)...but, this place saw its share of bans and walk-offs...and generally unsavory times. 

I remember browsing and Id see 50-100 people online at a time, and Id think to myself "wow seems like a great community" there are other sites like Wresling Smarks, who have contiuned to flourish, and still allow signatures and avatars, and that place has been around since the early 2000s, there should be no reason why this place is now dead, and no reason why it cant be restored back into the place it use to be, the WWE section and other sections where always bumping with healthy debate and discussion sometimes a little unsavery as well, but this place seemed like a once great place, maybe the head mod or the person who runs this should come back around  and try to revive it. 

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Honestly, I could write paragraphs stating every single reason I think this place is on its last legs, but to keep it in its shortest form, Community Creations in the games, as well as places like Twitter & Reddit, have rendered this place largely redundant, resulting in no new guards to to replace the old ones as they got older. 

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In addition to everyone else's post, I also think a lot of it has to do with other platforms taking over. Growing up with the internet, forums were so active then and now you have sites like Twitter (now X), IG and Reddit. I do agree that the forum seems very low stream, especially in the Community Creation  sub forum. It was the main reason I was always active here but I am seeing that it is just not the same. 

It's a sad time for forums tbh. They were at one point so much fun to interact with people. 

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  • There are still others booming like this one used to in the mid 2010s, like right now Wrestlingsmarks is booming heavy and there should be no reason this one cant get to the point that they are at either, they even still have sigs and avys, which was amazing back in the day, I think this place could get back to that if people actually cared to try 
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On 8/29/2023 at 2:09 AM, CROSS-Out said:

If you'd like to give suggestions I think we're all ears, otherwise this seems an indirect complaint over the signatures situation than anything else.

Has nothing to do with that as,  other sites as I said are still active with 1000s of memebers daily. its just this one it seem dead after many years of glory 

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I'm just impressed this place is still online, complete with its full history of posts dating back to... 2006? The Wayback Machine is great and all, but it's often of little help to old forums like this.

  • Best case scenario: forums that don't require being logged-in to view, at least some of the more popular topics get archive.
    • BUT that doesn't guarantee what was archived is useful. It was typical back in the day to upload any included media or files off-site, and just link to it in the forum post. Such is the case here - I'd love to see that Hollywood Hogan CAW I was working on for SvR 2010 PS2 but the pic I uploaded to Imageshack is long gone.
    •  I can't fink of any file hosting sites typical of the mid-2000s that would still be intact today. Some are gone completely, like Rapidshare & Megaupload. Others exist but as completely different services. The few gone untouched typically delete any content after it's been dormant for a set amount of time (so 99.99% of it).
  • Middle-of-the-road: There's a public subforum or two, but viewing any of interesting threads requires registering an account. The Wayback bot can't archive anything beyond a registration wall.
  • Typical: Viewing any part of the forum requires registering an account, so all that's saved is the login page.

So I have a growing appreciation for digital fossils like this. AtariAge, GameFAQs, and Smacktalks come to mind.

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People also got obsessed with mega threads, which stifled discussion. Couldn't have individual news posts any more had to have a big 'news thread' and other similar for all types of things. Biggest is Reddit killing most forums though

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The site itself was also incredibly stagnant for a long while, we had the same layout for years that desperately needed updating and by the time it did get updated, it was too late. Doesn't help that in some ways in my personal opinion the updated layout and skin were a step down.

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People obviously still like wrestling, so I reckon the lack of posts on here ain't necessarily down to anybody losing interest. Nor is it an age thing with everyone, although it could be, because some users could have had more time in their younger days to post on forums, and just 'grew out of them' as they got older. Me myself, I'm not far off from turning 38, and I started registering on forums all the way back in 2003.

Really, here. What the primary issue is concerns social media like X and Facebook overtaken forums in popularity. Now we also have the likes of WhatsApp, Discord, YouTube and whatnot, which rendered forums to be in the state that they are.

It sucks. I know it's hard to accept that message boards are dead. This is something I notice on other forums a lot too. In fact, I made a few threads on other forums not too long ago to point this out as well. As a mildly autistic introvert who deals with social anxiety, I feel like I depend on forums to break up the monotony of being lonesome. But when you're noticing this everywhere online in 2023, just think to yourself: Should we continue to use forums? 

In terms of forums people visit to discuss video games, the only active ones I know about are GameFAQs and NeoGAF. That's more or less it, I'm afraid. Unfortunately, I just cannot advise you to waste your time on GameFAQs, or any of the generic alternatives like GameSpot and ResetEra. The members are usually the arrogant sort, the layout isn't the greatest looking either, and moderators just don't care about stopping any flame wars. So I'm gonna be giving up forums at the end of the year, since they have ran their course.

 

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The interest in wrestling is definitely not lost just the forums are many years old there are other social networks that are easier to use.I'm still into wrestling, I watch it a lot.
Also I love to play games recently bought a ps 5 pass a bunch of different games and in parallel play  cs2 and valorant on pc and follow cybersports here https://bo3.gg/valorant  as well as for wrestling .
I follow wrestling news on different forums like this one.

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On 8/10/2023 at 4:59 AM, Generations said:

Honestly, I remember when a lot of the most active members began leaving. Some left just because life got busy for them...but, others left because this place became toxic. Things were bad here for a long time. Lots of childish behavior from members and moderators alike. And the "nail in the coffin" was likely the fact that no effort went into maintaining the site or upgrading the boards. (This is still an issue, as anyone can see by the lack of certain sections that we should definitely have). Honestly, if someone gave this place a coat of fresh paint, I think it could flourish again. It just ain't happening.

As funny as it sounds, politics also contributed to the downfall of this place. The whole 2016 election season and the four years that followed were tumultuous times here. In general, people started treating each other worse (not just here)...but, this place saw its share of bans and walk-offs...and generally unsavory times. 

There's no money in forums in 2024, and hasn't been in a decade. Other platforms took over, thus advertising payments for forums are nonexistent. It's impossible to "maintain" this or any forum without funding. The server load is insane, as it has literal millions upon millions of posts. It's been funded out of pocket for years now. 

It's easy to come up with ideas and point fingers. But without funding, nothing can realistically be done. You can't upgrade systems without funding, and like I said, this place has been funded AT LOSS for a long time. It's pretty much "this, or nothing". As forums are a thing of the past, and this passion project has cost us money in recent years. You think it's free to host this much data annually? 

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^ Then we should pin a little 'gofundme' link or something at the top of the boards. I don't know.

It wasn't my intention to take shots at whoever keeps this place running...I was only stating facts. Things are outdated and overlooked. I don't claim to know what it takes to keep things going, and I'm not talking down on anyone for what is or isn't done...but people asked why this place is dead, and I think the outdated layout is part of that.

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Nah. Don't worry. I know no-one was taking shots. I apologise if my reply came across as hostile. 

It's a nice thought. But to host the literal millions of archived posts we have, it would take way too much money. And even though I've stepped down from an active role, I personally wouldn't be able to back the idea of a GoFundMe. As I don't think we as a forum could give back, and make it worth people paying their hard earned money. 

 

I think it's just forums in general are an old generation thing. Everything is Reddit, or Twitter, etc, these days. And realistically this was originally a Wrestling Game community, back when there were new wrestling games every 6 months of all sorts. Plus with community creations, sites like these just serve little no purpose (for the original intention), so this site has just became a chat room for the last, I don't know? A decade+.

 

I think this place (don't quote me. Myself and Tom don't communicate) will stay up, as it is, for a while. But I wouldn't bet on any major updates, changes of real effort. Tom has other enterprises he deals with. And obviously it wouldn't make sense to deal with a... Less than active forum that loses him money. So I wouldn't worry about it disappearing tomorrow. But I also wouldn't expect to sign in one day and it's had a new coat of paint, either. 

 

Hopefully you all understand what I'm saying. And it's not a knock on anyone, either. I'm the same. Forums aren't for me, and haven't been for a long time. But I appreciate that a lot of you still have a soft spot for this place. I just wish we could've gave you more than we have in recent years. It's not without trying. Trust me. 

 

 

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Frankly surprised no one has attempted to create a discord for this place yet in the event that it does go down.

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