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1 hour ago, glennsoe said:

That shit's gonna cost them tvdeals and sponsors.. 

Doubt it, tbh.

I think PPVs are fair game. They probably just won't be able to show a highlight of it on tv. If they show a highlight on Wednesday or something...then I think they could potentially be in danger of that. But they will probably just say something like "the match was so violent and disturbing that we can't show you any of it on tv"...which will actually generate more PPV buys.

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25 minutes ago, PaperThinWalls said:

No one is better than Heyman.

Meh. He's kinda repetitive in his schtick, if I'm being honest. - Also, he has a legacy of being a top manager. I don't know that it's really fair or necessary to compare Heyman to your standard managers. Heyman is just Heyman.

Again...he's really not doing much for me these days anyway. Is he good at what he does? Yes. But, I still prefer someone like Nana or Julia Hart, or Luther. Someone who is a fundamental part of a gimmick.. Paul is just a subservient yes-man. He makes Reigns look powerful and respected, which is necessary...but it's the exact same thing he did for Brock. He whimpers, he snivels, he deflects responsibility, he does exactly as he's told...and eventually he turns on his client to align with someone else. Rinse and repeat.

Also...I meant, that as a whole...AEW does better with managers. I'm not comparing every talent individually and saying "which company has the single best manager?" - When you compare the entire big picture of WWE/AEW, one of those companies simply has better managerial representation, IMO. The ratio is a lot more favorable for AEW, who has a bunch of managers who actually enhance their talents and aren't just there.

Case in point...you think of managers in WWE, and you think of Heyman. That's it. There are plenty of great stables right now. WWE by far takes the cake when it comes to stable work. But, they are severely lacking in truly great managers. AEW is starting to have that old school feel where more people have managers than not. You have the ones I already mentioned...Prince Nana, Julia Hart, Luther...you also have Stokely Hathaway, Alex Abrahantes, Jake the Snake, Don Callis, etc. You also have CJ Perry trying to do something (not the most successful of the bunch...but we'll see). 

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Also, can't stop thinking about the Continental classic thing...and how the final will surely be Kingston vs Bryan, with Danielson becoming a three-title holder all at once. Now that Eddie said he's defending both his belts in every match in that tournament...there's really no other way to book that. 3-belt Bryan is happening, and I'm here for it. Of course, I don't really agree with making a "Continental Classic Championship" when you already have an International title...but that's a complaint for another day.

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2 hours ago, Generations said:

Meh. He's kinda repetitive in his schtick, if I'm being honest. - Also, he has a legacy of being a top manager. I don't know that it's really fair or necessary to compare Heyman to your standard managers. Heyman is just Heyman.

Again...he's really not doing much for me these days anyway. Is he good at what he does? Yes. But, I still prefer someone like Nana or Julia Hart, or Luther. Someone who is a fundamental part of a gimmick.. Paul is just a subservient yes-man. He makes Reigns look powerful and respected, which is necessary...but it's the exact same thing he did for Brock. He whimpers, he snivels, he deflects responsibility, he does exactly as he's told...and eventually he turns on his client to align with someone else. Rinse and repeat.

Also...I meant, that as a whole...AEW does better with managers. I'm not comparing every talent individually and saying "which company has the single best manager?" - When you compare the entire big picture of WWE/AEW, one of those companies simply has better managerial representation, IMO. The ratio is a lot more favorable for AEW, who has a bunch of managers who actually enhance their talents and aren't just there.

Case in point...you think of managers in WWE, and you think of Heyman. That's it. There are plenty of great stables right now. WWE by far takes the cake when it comes to stable work. But, they are severely lacking in truly great managers. AEW is starting to have that old school feel where more people have managers than not. You have the ones I already mentioned...Prince Nana, Julia Hart, Luther...you also have Stokely Hathaway, Alex Abrahantes, Jake the Snake, Don Callis, etc. You also have CJ Perry trying to do something (not the most successful of the bunch...but we'll see). 

You can combine all those names you mentioned and they still wouldn’t equal the brilliance of Heyman. That’s my viewpoint. Other than Prince Nana and Don Callis, the ppl you listed are subpar managers to me. They’re as good as someone like Maxxine Dupri.

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2 minutes ago, PaperThinWalls said:

Other than Prince Nana and Don Callis, the ppl you listed are subpar managers to me. They’re as good someone like Maxxine Dupri.

Oh...screw right off.

You really have some of the most ridiculous takes, man. 

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1 minute ago, PaperThinWalls said:

You really think Luther, Jake, CJ, and Abrahantes are that good? That’s nutty to me. lol

As far as doing what managers are meant to do and helping their clients win matches and stuff? Yes...they are good managers. CJ not so much. Don't pretend that I put her with the others. I very specifically put her separately at the end. Abrahantes helps Lucha Bros a lot. He's a hype man, and he sets up spots for them and distracts the ref, and does all kinds of things. Luther has only been a manager for a few weeks...he adds a lot to those backstage segments...and he literally helped Storm win the title by passing her the shoes. Jake is Jake...he doesn't need approval from anyone. Still one of the best talkers. Limited in what he can do physically...but definitely not to be compared to Maxinne Dupree, for Christ's sake. 

At least try harder with your shock commentary. 

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Shock commentary? Me? Aren’t you the one raving on about the excellent managerial work of ppl like Luther, Jake Roberts, Abrahantes, and Julia Hart while also basically putting down one of the best managers of all time whom many agree is doing his best work? I’m being shocking? Me? 

You minimized the shit out of Heyman by saying he’s not a fundamental part of Roman and the rest of Bloodline’s gimmick and then go on singing the praises of Abrahantes, Luther, and Jake as if they offer more than Heyman in their roles? Talk about shock commentary… Heyman is what makes the Bloodline work so well. If there was no Heyman, that group would not be as successful as they have been. He’s the key ingredient to the whole thing. The way he plays off everyone he interacts with is so exceptionally done. He can be the sniveling, fearful weasel when he’s in jeopardy or cowering away from Roman. He can be the boisterous, loudmouth tearing into the Bloodline’s latest target. He can be the conniving slime-ball who does Bloodline’s business (which despite what you say does involve Heyman doing heel ringside manager shit — maybe not do degree that you’d like but that’s fine by me because I rather not refs be buried as much as they as are in AEW). He can even be touching and heartfelt like he was with Cody. It’s stunning to me that you’re so aghast that I dare not view a bunch of mediocre at best AEW managers remotely near the level of Heyman. I honestly feel bad for you if stuff like his recent interactions with Cena and LA Knight did little for you. That stuff was the best shit I’ve seen in wrestling in a while.

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Gimme a break.

I said plain as day that Heyman is Heyman, and is basically in a league of his own. "Putting down". Stop trying to find shit where there is none. - Of course, everyone has to give Heyman his due when it comes to his managerial career. That said, the dude is also not doing anything groundbreaking, and hasn't for a long time. He plays his typical Heyman role. It's all he needs to do. "Yes, my tribal chief...right away, my tribal chief." - I don't even know where you get off claiming that I said he wasn't a big part of the Bloodline's success. I said word for word that he makes Reigns look powerful and respected, which is important. So...what are you even on about?

I've spoken ill of no one...I merely stated that AEW does better with having a wider spread of great managerial characters, and they excel from WWE in that capacity. You on the other hand, decided to sweep a wide variety of people under the same umbrella as Maxxine Dupree for no good reason.

It feels to me like you are just on some shit where you want an excuse to praise Heyman...which is fine. Heyman is a legendary manager. But don't act like I called for it. Don't act like I shit on the dude when I didn't. All I did was give praise to AEW's managers in the AEW topic. 

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You literally said this:

9 hours ago, Generations said:

Again...he's really not doing much for me these days anyway. Is he good at what he does? Yes. But, I still prefer someone like Nana or Julia Hart, or Luther.

And I had to do a double-take there because in my mind how can anyone say they prefer the work of Luther… frigginLuther over Heyman right now. That’s mind blowing to me. That’s what I’m on about. And look, you can have that opinion and you can argue that opinion. But don’t get on my ass and disparage me by saying I have the “most ridiculous takes” or I’m peddling out “shock commentary” when I express a measly opinion — an opinion that was honestly verrrrrry mild, too. Saying everyone you mentioned except Nana and Callis were subpar and the caliber of Maxxine? That’s your redline? I went too far there? Take note that I never said anyone was worthless or dog shit. I said nothing extreme like that. I just said they were subpar like Maxxine.

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25 minutes ago, PaperThinWalls said:

 

how can anyone say they prefer the work of Luther… frigginLuther over Heyman right now.

I reiterate this again...I never once said that there's a 1:1 ratio where Luther is "better" than Heyman. You keep saying shit like this that I didn't say...and it's getting very tiresome. - I said that AEW was doing a better job than WWE (overall) with having a variety of managers who felt like they were adding something to the product. Like...I don't know how many times I need to say this. I shouldn't need to repeat myself so many times.

I might as well have said that Impact uses their women better than WWE, and you might as well be sitting here responding "How can you say that when WWE has Rhea Ripley? Isn't Rhea Ripley better than Trinity Fatu? Why do you think Trinity is better than Rhea?" Like...it's not even close to being what I said.

There is a big difference between an overall statement and a 1:1 comparison. I'm not comparing anyone...I'm saying that AEW has a better group of managers as a whole. Even if WWE has Heyman...he is one guy. No single manager (not even if he was the greatest one to ever live) would compare to a solid group of managers with different personalities across an entire promotion, all doing solid work. AEW has excelled at building Managerial roles. WWE has Heyman...and that's great. He doesn't fill the void. He alone doesn't put WWE above AEW for how managers are used or valued. Who else do they have? Valhalla? Please. WWE has a terrible managerial roster right now.

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I used your own terms, man. You said you currently prefer watching someone like Luther, Nana, or Julia Hart over Heyman. Is that not what you said? I’m not saying you think they’re better than Heyman all time. I’m saying right now you prefer watching them over Heyman because… that’s literally what you said. lol I also get your essentially arguing quantity over quality. Well for me, I rather have one Paul Heyman over all of AEW’s roster of managers because that’s how little I think of their work and highly I think of his work. It is what is, I guess. lol As for who else WWE has, they have MVP, which I really like, but I can’t even recall the last time they used him, so idk if it’s worth counting him. Mr. Stone exists as well but he’s comparable to Jake, so eh.

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You know...I agree it's not ideal, and should be frowned upon. But, I'm also of the mindset that people should still be allowed to make bad decisions if they fully know the risks. Take Kurt Angle for example...his terrible decision to compete in the Olympics with a broken neck is literally the reason why he is who he is. Without doing that, he probably would have retired from the sport and become addicted to painkillers and just died in his 20's or become a random person on the street. He made an incredibly stupid decision to push through a life threatening situation, and that's the only reason why he is Kurt Angle. 

Danielson already promised his daughter that he was going to retire after X amount of years, or when he reached an age of X amount. So...I'm assuming he has a list of things he thinks he wants or needs to do before that in order the be considered great. To that effect, I would say...for certain types of people, coming up short on goals they set for themselves is just as bad as the other consequences. He would probably consider himself a fraud if he fell short of finishing his career how he wants.

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3 hours ago, Lunchbox said:

This is why WWE didn't let him back into the ring for the longest time they couldn't trust him to let them know he was hurt.

Hate to use Kurt Angle example twice...but, same deal.

Angle did the best work of his entire career in TNA. He was there for longer than he was in WWE, and did some of his craziest work while he was there. It was definitely not recommended, and went against all doctors' orders...but I doubt he has regrets about any of it. 

As a fan, I'm always going to be selfish when it comes to talents and what they are willing to give us. But, with that said...I also understand objectively why the talents themselves are willing to risk everything for one reason or another. As humans, we all have that in us.

If I thought they talents were doing this for us...then I would say "Hey...you don't need to do that. We'll be fine with the memories we already have." But, I know better. I know that they do these things for themselves and no one else.

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