AEW Fight Forever Discussion

[black_machismo]

12 hours ago, maskedmaniac said:

There are already some mods on the PC version it seems.. Some guys already ported over a WWE 12 CM Punk it seems and a Billy Gunn.

Saw that in twitter. I think they were able to get a go signal with THQ regarding modding as long as it is for Offline use and no one will be creating DLC characters that THQ will be releasing.

[Generations]

Started our in-person league with my friends last night. Pretty large group of about 7 or 8 people.

Can confirm, this is the format where the game shines.

Whole lot of hilarious moments and good fun...then again, we always had a great time with the WWE games too. But, there is something particularly special about some of the ridiculous weapons and taunts. 

[eastcoastkody]

23 hours ago, Generations said:

I agree.

Which is why I think it's funny to claim that AEW is so much "superior", or that gameplay is "miles ahead" when it has plenty of its own shortcomings. - It's like comparing Mario Kart to Forza. Same genre. Different style. No point in claiming one is superior. 

the problem is ppl think Forza is the WWE game. when thats the mario kart one. U can have realistic matches in FIght Forever. u can't do that in the WWE games since 2k19. 

Fight Forever is somehow both more of a wrestling SIM...and more of a wrestling ARCADE game than WWE 2k. 

Fight Forever is a wrestling game done right. Just sim enough to have real matches. And slow the pace down. Just arcadey enough to do faster paced stuff and really dumb spots. 

WWE 2k is arcade wrestling done wrong. It doesn't feel like wrestling. It feels like a fighting game with wrestling moves in it

[Generations]

1 hour ago, eastcoastkody said:

the problem is ppl think Forza is the WWE game. when thats the mario kart one

I mean...literally nah. But, okay...

Anyone calling Fight Forever a sim needs to have their head checked. Also, Fight Forever is way more of a fighting game than 2k is. Like...that's exactly what people are enjoying more about it. 

[maskedmaniac]

So I got this game yesterday for $40. It's pretty fun, I actually prefer the gameplay over 2K's. Of course, I grew up and still play the AKI games to this day so I am more used to those controls. I just really hate the 2K style of "guessing" what your opponent is going to press or not being able to reverse grapples until after you've been grabbed.

Glad I got the steam version for modding. Once mods start to drop it's gonna be on.

[eastcoastkody]

1 hour ago, Generations said:

I mean...literally nah. But, okay...

Anyone calling Fight Forever a sim needs to have their head checked. Also, Fight Forever is way more of a fighting game than 2k is. Like...that's exactly what people are enjoying more about it. 

the new 2k games...were literally created by a fighting game producer. and was specifically made to be a fighting game. And specifically created to NOT be a sim.  so what are u talking about?

[eastcoastkody]

pray tell me....what exactly is realistic or SIM about Andre the giant doing a karate combo before he can do a slam?

what exactly is realistic or SIM about Yokozuna dodging ducking and weaving like a Flyweight boxer?

what is SIM or realistic or PRO WRESTLING about anything in the WWE 2k games? . Especially 2k22. that is a fighting game thru and thru. It has more in common with Tekken than No Mercy

[maskedmaniac]

You know, I literally gave up on 2K23 while I was playing as Yoko. The way he was deaking and weaving around the ring like he was a hybrid of Rey Misterio and Floyd Mayweather, rolling around the ring and bouncing on his tippy toes like Bruce Lee. But the real deal breaker was when he would do drop kicks out of nowhere and do some cruiserweight-like flippy moves in the corner. That was not sim at all, more like a fighting game like East Coast is saying.

 

2K is frustrating gameplay-wise, gimme VPW2 or No Mercy on the PC and Photoshop to make my own mods and I am set.

[Generations]

There are unrealistic elements to 2k...but, it is WAY more of a wrestling sim by sheer amount of content and customization than Fight Forever is. Y'all need to stop being ridiculous. We're playing the same game, and I'm not following along with your bullshit. Lol

You can't even break up attacks in Fight Forever...you can only run in a straight line in a handful of directions...weapons disappear after two hits. You can throw an exploding propane tank at opponents. It ain't a *censored*ing wrestling sim. - Saying that 2k has some issues with big men moving too quickly or something doesn't make it less of a sim than Fight Forever just because Wardlow plays like a brick wall. Lmao.

I like Fight Forever a lot. It's a fun game. But chill with the ridiculous statements.

[Crazyjk4]

I mean technically isn't wrestling in itself unrealistic?

[A N T I -]

Content and customization makes for a sim gameplay experience in what way? I think Fight Forever would fit that bill better. A wise man once said “Whoa, you’re only smoke and mirrors” and that can apply to the 2K franchise. I say that as a big fan of both titles. 2K spoils people with content so much that we tend to overlook the fact that the gameplay isn’t necessarily as fun as it should be or that this release is the first of a new concept/project and we have to be patient with it. Even No Mercy and HCTP were the product of years of iterations if I recall.

[Generations]

A game being fun has nothing to do with whether it's a sim or not. 2k is a sim because it literally has sliders for every single aspect of gameplay. What else would a sim be, if not giving players the most options possible? That's precisely what a sim is. You people are really acting ridiculous about this whole thing. Like...what's the point in arguing about that? You all literally wanted an arcade experience...you got it...and now you want to argue that it's more of a sim? Gtfo. No one is even saying the game is bad. Lmao.

[A N T I -]

It plays more like a wrestling game than 2K does currently. I don’t see where I was fishing for opinions on the matter instead of just stating a fact.

[Generations]

Just now, A N T I - said:

It plays more like a wrestling game than 2K does currently. I don’t see where I was fishing for opinions on the matter instead of just stating a fact.

Sim = a realistic experience.

Whether Fight Forever "plays like more of a wrestling GAME" does not make it a more realistic experience. That is entirely missing the point of what a simulation is. Simulations can be boring. Many of them are. Flight Simulator is boring af if you don't want to actually fly a plane in a realistic way. Yes...2k can be boring. No one ever said it was the best wrestling game experience that could exist. That's besides the point. 

Sheesh.

[maskedmaniac]

16 minutes ago, Generations said:

you can only run in a straight line in a handful of directions...

This is another thing that bothers me about the 2K series as it's not really realistic. When was the last time you saw a wrestler run around in circles? The linear running style used in the early SvR, AKI, and now AEW series are much more realistic as it limits running in matches to only happen when running towards your opponent, at the turnbuckle, or against the ropes. I hate when the opponent just starts running around in every direction.

[Generations]

17 minutes ago, maskedmaniac said:

This is another thing that bothers me about the 2K series as it's not really realistic. When was the last time you saw a wrestler run around in circles? The linear running style used in the early SvR, AKI, and now AEW series are much more realistic as it limits running in matches to only happen when running towards your opponent, at the turnbuckle, or against the ropes. I hate when the opponent just starts running around in every direction.

Okay...but again, how is Fight Forever better at this? Nowhere does 2k force players to run around in circles. That's a *censored*ing gameplay choice. You have full 360 movement. Running in a circle is a choice that the player makes. In Fight Forever, you can run straight, or diagonal. Unless you perfectly line something up, you aren't even going to run where you want to. How the hell is that better? I absolutely HATE the running in FF...you're basically stuck on an imaginary grid. You can't even run to break up a pin, or you just run right past it, hit the ropes and keep going...

I swear, it's like some of you are defending the game to me like your lives depend on it...(and I like the damn game). (I like it a lot. Lol.) There's no need to make ridiculous claims about things the game clearly doesn't even do well to try to hype it up as something it's not. I don't get it.

"Having less control actually makes it a better sim". Lol...okay.

[Crazyjk4]

I will say that after going to a friend's house to play the game for bit, I think the game definitely nailed sound design where the moves do sound a lot more impactful, and the crowd sounds a lot more like a real crowd. If i get to play some more I'll have some thoughts about gameplay.

[Bushy.]

I’m Ngl, I’ve played the game like twice. 

[Mani-Man]

15 hours ago, eastcoastkody said:

the problem is ppl think Forza is the WWE game. when thats the mario kart one. U can have realistic matches in FIght Forever. u can't do that in the WWE games since 2k19. 

Fight Forever is somehow both more of a wrestling SIM...and more of a wrestling ARCADE game than WWE 2k. 

Fight Forever is a wrestling game done right. Just sim enough to have real matches. And slow the pace down. Just arcadey enough to do faster paced stuff and really dumb spots. 

WWE 2k is arcade wrestling done wrong. It doesn't feel like wrestling. It feels like a fighting game with wrestling moves in it

Hm, i dont know...what wwe2k is i cant even tell to be honest.
Like the Combo feature is clearly meant to give more arcady feeling to it...but the game at the same time on everything is slow and tedious.

I really cant say which direction the 2k games go.
They are in a weird place with their game.
It is slow and tries with many sliders to feel realistic, but then much of the flow is broken.
Again something as simple as grabbing and opponent and dragging them to the ropes is in wwe2k a very tedious thing that just doesnt feel "realistic" it just feels slow for the sake of it.

But i also dont think AEW is one or the other.
It doesnt feel super arcady to me because there is a lot where you can slow down and do simulation like matches.
While at the same time having a certain speed and flow that is not built for 15-20 minute matches.

Both games have their gameplay strengths and weaknesses, that is for sure.
Maybe its because the gameplay is pretty much the same for years and i always disliked how slow it felt...but i prefer the AEW gameplay over the wwe2k gameplay by a lot.

I like the wwe2k games reversal more, the pin and submission systems, the basic movement in the wwe games is feeling just a bit more free, the running in FF is a bit clunky.

I love the whole sound design of the AEW so much, the moves all sound very good...the mat has a good sound and all that.

I like WWEs referee more, feels more responsive and lifely.

There are here and there things the wwe games does that has potential, but the basic gameplay just isnt it for me for years, so AEW feels better on that.

Like all these details and sliders do little for me, i just dont enjoy PLAYING WWE2k games...and on that i dont care simulation or arcade, the basic gameplay is just not working for me at all.

[Oscar22]

Probably the best thing about FF is that it hasn’t had the time or the legacy the 2k games have yet, it’s literally their first go and it’s a week old. They have time to add and update loads and add things in here and there, it’s missing a lot of course but it’s fun to play and that’s a great start, im not really seeing that it’s a sim, it’s definitely more of a start it up and have a great time playing some random matches arcade type experience, and that is 100% fine. 
FF is a great starting point and hopefully over time the developers add some basic additions that would actually make a massive difference to the overall experience. 
 

2k meanwhile need to learn that shiny graphics, and a new match type doesn’t make your game any less soulless an experience. Creation suite, fantastic even if certain parts of it have been crying out for updates. However their insistence on MyFaction and similar things means the actual core game is boring, and has actually regressed massively. 2k19 was a better wrestling game. 
 

Im just hopeful that them both being about now actually promotes some healthy competition and makes them both up their games. 

[Mani-Man]

11 hours ago, A N T I - said:

Content and customization makes for a sim gameplay experience in what way? I think Fight Forever would fit that bill better. A wise man once said “Whoa, you’re only smoke and mirrors” and that can apply to the 2K franchise. I say that as a big fan of both titles. 2K spoils people with content so much that we tend to overlook the fact that the gameplay isn’t necessarily as fun as it should be or that this release is the first of a new concept/project and we have to be patient with it. Even No Mercy and HCTP were the product of years of iterations if I recall.

This yeah.
Like sure you can tell that the lack of Content in FF will be a problem down the line, but that is mainly because the WWE games give us so much and even there this is still not enough.

Many people openly buy the wwe games just because of creation suite...that is no secret nor do we need to act like this is not true.
Like many buy these games yearly just because they are in feds, because they are caw creators who maybe earn a bit money from it etc.

Few buy them actually because they like to play.
Im not saying there is nobody out there that enjoys the gameplay, but the big part is content and customization...that is just a fact.

Even the MyFaction mode they by now focus a lot of time on is proof of that.
Look at the gameplay there and see that its never about gameplay.
You repeat the same tasks over and over again, 10 heavy attacks, taunt, finisher etc every match.
The rest is...just win.

Its all about the stuff outside of the gameplay itself, collecting and getting new cards etc.
Look at the showcase mode, a mode that barely lets you play because it doesnt trust you to have fun.

Gameplay is not King in the WWE series.
Does it need to be? Comes down to.
Im not saying buying the game just for creation suite is wrong, because it isnt.
But there is no doubt that for 2k/VC the basic gameplay is an afterthought while in FF it was meant to be the focus.

And again, isnt that in the end cool too?

Like again, we got here two games with two different focus.
One lacks gameplay but has tons of content, one has the gameplay but lacks content...two fun games we can play for different reasons.

And the best case scenario is that both companies work on fixing where they lack to give us the best possible games...so we win either way.

[Oscar22]

Without putting pressure on it, will also be interesting to see how the Wrestling code plays in to this dynamic, as it seems to be from early impressions a decent mix of content but also gameplay, with decent graphics. 
 

Have high hopes for it, to have three quality wrestling games out there will be amazing in terms of choice and play style. 

[Mani-Man]

25 minutes ago, Oscar22 said:

Without putting pressure on it, will also be interesting to see how the Wrestling code plays in to this dynamic, as it seems to be from early impressions a decent mix of content but also gameplay, with decent graphics. 
 

Have high hopes for it, to have three quality wrestling games out there will be amazing in terms of choice and play style. 

The Wrestling Code now has the chance to hit the sweet spot with the knowledge of how people feel about WWE and AEW games.
If its not all just Smoke and Mirrors on their end, we really could get here a third incredible cool wrestling game.

It will be interesting to see.
We are in a great timeline.

We will see how 2k reacts to AEW, we will see how AEW will evolve their game and we will see what they do with The Wrestling Code...cool times for Wrestling game fans.

[Generations]

Serious question...has anyone got anything other than the 2 of Spades in Road to the Elite for the Casino Battle Royale? I swear on my life, I've played that scenario about 4 or 5 different times...and I have ALWAYS pulled the same exact card, down to the color (black). Some variation would have been nice. Not sure why they would give you the illusion of choice if the pick is always the same.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to playing this game with friends again...but already pretty burnt out with the single player offerings. Which I knew would happen. 

[Generations]

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