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3 hours ago, WNX said:

Where's the part when this turned into a shooting cause that's pretty civil

There's a 45-minute video up on YouTube from the bodycam, and it does look like the guy resisted. As Mani pointed out though, it begs the question as to why TWO cops could not restrain a drunken man who was sleeping minutes before. 

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Haven't you heard? Drugs and alcohol grant superpowers.

 

I didn't watch the whole 45 minutes but I watched a clip about the guy grabbing the taser, dipping out and firing it behind him.

Now, I'm not a cop. I couldn't sit here and tell you what I would've done in that sitch but I would like to think I wouldn't have fired on the guy like that. Don't think it should've gotten as far as the arrest anyways. Maybe I should actually see what prompted the cuffs, but I understand why they shot. I don't agree with it, but I get it.

I also can't just slap a skin color on this one. Just because I see a few vids of white guys getting away with outrageous sheeit doesn't mean this wouldn't have happened if he wasn't black. It's an unfortunate scenario that was horribly timed

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Shouldn't have gone for the arrest, first of all. The second thing is the guy tried to get away and even managed to grab a taser, but I am not sure if he managed to actually use it on the officers? Anyway, he started running. And you know what, if he didn't start running and dude just started kicking them or tried tasing them or something, maybe I would have justified pulling out your weapon in self defence. However, he didn't. And he started to RUN. Therefore there was absolute no reason for them to shoot at him. And there was no reason whatsoever to use lethal force. 

 

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I would say if he had a knife or so, maybe use the gun to shot him in the leg or so.
But he was intoxicated, had a police taser and ran away from them...how in gods name can a police officer justify shooting the man in the back?
How shitty do you need to be in your job when you can grab a intoxicated man who runs away?

Thats the other thing, all those instances where cops shoot people dead, here 15 bullets in the chest, here 4 in the upper body, several precise in the head...but no arms or legs?
Hello, doesnt that sound strange to people?
That they go for kill shots and not the limbs to  simply stop suspects.
Getting shot hurts a hell of a lot and takes a lot of fire to fight out of you...or hell, have people seen what those tasers do...they knock big bulky dudes on their asses fast and non lethal.

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Better chance to stop a target if you're aiming at the biggest one. Center mass. It's how they're trained. You aim for smaller targets and it increases the chance of missing, thus a chance at hitting somebody else. When that firearm is drawn it's supposed to be in response to a life threatening event, which this wasn't as an outsider looking in but could've been a very different situation in the eyes of an officer. 

It was a bad call, probably not to him because what he considers "high threat" was skewed in that instance. 

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Okay, I watched the whole hour 22 minute body cam from Officer Brosnan, the one that responded to the initial complaint and i'll start by saying the Tweet from the guy M3j Initially quoted was bullsheeit. Brooks was not "parked", he was in the drive thru, asleep and in the way. People complained to the cops, enter Brosnan.

Brosnan wakes the guy up and tells him to move, Brooks says okay obviously wasted out of his mind, then walks back to his car. Brooks doesn't move. Brosnan goes back and opens Brooks' door like "ay man you went to sleep again. Just pull over into a parking space and out the way". He complies but kinda runs over the curb a bit so Brosnan is chuckling a bit like this dude is out of it. So after a bit Brosnan goes back over and asks Brooks if he's good, just tired or whatever, and wanted to make sure he's okay.

He goes through the whole routine, license, reg, car was rented and Brooks was fumbling tryna get his license so Brosnan says keep looking, I'll be back, cool as sheeit. He calls dispatch for a guy that specializes in DUI and this is prolly where everything went to sheeit. DUI guy shows up, Officer Rolfe, asks Brooks all these questions to see where his head is at. Brooks' story is all over the place. "I only had a few drinks, it was like 1 1/2 daquiris or 1 1/2 martinis or some sheeit, small cups, yadda yadda". "Do you know where your at?" He's answering the wrong sheeit for like 15. He doesn't even remember Brosnan waking him up to move out of the drive thru, believes he got dropped off by his [sister], got in the car and went straight to sleep.

So these guys are well aware he's no longer on this planet but Brosnan is watching this guy work, who for whatever reasons drags this on longer than he needs. Finally asks to do a breathalizer that Brooks finally agrees to after 5 minutes. Rolfe goes to grab it, Brooks is apologizing for the trouble and Brosnan is like "you're good man we just wanna make sure you're alright" to operate the vehicle and sheeit. Rolfe does the test, asks some more questions, now Brooks is saying he has no clue what he drank. Rolfe determines, FINALLY, the man is too impair and tells him he's under arrest and to put his hands behind his back.

Rolfe bends an arm, gently from the looks. Brosnan holds the other arm loosely. Rolfe slaps on the first cuff and Brooks shakes out, scuffle ensues everybody goes down. They're tryna contain Brooks, Brosnan whipping out the taxes. "I'm gonna tase you!" He has the gun to Brooks leg but he doesn't pull it. Doesn't look like he really wants to. Brooks grabs it instead "GET YOUR HANDS OFF THE TASER!" Brosnan is yelling. They sorta make their way back up and then all go back down, Brosnan ending up on bottom and hitting the ground back of the head first.  Brooks gets under Rolfe and lifts up, getting to his feet and breaking away. If it was Brosnan's voice then I think he said "he *censored*ing tased me" (later on he asks an officer if there were any barbs in him so I'm thinking he did get hit in the scuffle) as Rolfe draws fires the taser, but doesn't get all of it even though a bolt hits Brooks.

Both body cams are now on the ground facing up (great security, btw v_v, good thing for the Wendy's feed). Brosnan is slow to his feet but Rolfe takes after Brooks with the taser in his left hand.  Rolfe is seen unfastening his holster with the right hand, Brooks turns to fire the stolen taser wildly, Rolfe drops the taser in his left, draws with the right and fires three shots, one to the back and one to the ass struck.

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So I get it. I get why it was done, still don't agree, but I think Brosnan by himself could've handled it, especially because Brooks girlfriend came up in the convo saying he could call her. She comes, picks him up, takes him to the hotel he was staying at, nobody dies. Rolfe stretched the sheeit to an uncomfortable length and just went straight to cuffs instead of trying to contact the person Brooks said dropped him off there. Of course he didn't know there was gonna be that level of resistance but still, mistakes were definitely made long before the shooting

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Well this is the thing I don't get, you have a runaway drunk with a taser in his hand. He is running away from you, he even somehow tries to shoot it back at you while running, obviously missing, and you decide to fire three shots in his back. Yes, he obviously made a wrong decision in a split second. The thing is, you would rather shoot him in back, dead, than anything else. Everything that stands behind that decision, the rational that led to it, is really troubling. I'm only talking about that killing notion now, let alone the fact that they are at least in the idea supposed to be there to not cause to someone unless that person poses a danger to well being of others. 

There is still a big hole in that conversation of violence and killing. And just a part of the society that's deeple sick and contnuing to degrade. 

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They have acted too much by the book, which also training should cover.
When dealing with intoxicated people, you need to be extra carefull and give a lot more leash considering how their behaviour is altered.
Unless they carry a gun or a deadly weapon, no cop should draw a lethal weapon on a intoxicated person because they themself arent in control of their body and what they do.

The footage shows by the book behaviour of the cops, which is a problem.
Everyone knows a drunk friend or so who started to get aggressive when you try to hold them back or so, putting cuffs on someone like this is not a smart move.
He was polite and all that, it would have been easier to get him into the police car or so.

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9 hours ago, Lunchbox said:

This could have been solved if they parked the car themsevles, took his keys and gave him a ride home. 

Unfortunately, logic wasn't a part of their routine that day.

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4 hours ago, NegativeCreep said:

Unfortunately, logic wasn't a part of their routine that day.

Rather incompetent on his Job when it comes to the Officer that was "Specialized" on DUI cases.

I think I can safely say that everyone on this Forum would know that a drunk person would turn into a frightened person when you all of sudden put them cuffs and try to stop from being capable to freely move.

You don't have to be a specialist to know that. The guy was cooperative the whole time and like others already said, the officers could had called his girlfriend or Family to pick him up and drive him home instead of putting him cuffs on and Shooting him dead after he was afraid for his life and reacted a way he shouldnt had because of it.

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Well it seems that Rolfe lost his Job and he will be prosecuted for murder.

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There's no way he'll be convicted of felony murder.  No way.

 

The DA rushed the charges because he's in a contested primary right now and is being investigated by the G.B.I.

 

This is the same DA, mind you, that said a couple of weeks ago that a taser was considered a deadly weapon.

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Got a bit ahead of himself, did he? So far it's sounding like Rolfe was well within his rights to pull that trigger

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This rally was a disaster on so many levels...i did not expect that...i welcome it, but didnt expect it.
But still cant get over the fact he made a big show about drinking *censored*ing water...and looking like a complete fool doing that.
Seriously, can this man do anything without looking like a incompetent clown?

I dont know whats worse, the way he drank out of the water looking worse doing it than my 2 year old niece, or the fact that people cheered for him doing that.

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4 hours ago, Lunchbox said:

Lmaoooo people lined up for days for something that wasn't even halfway full. 

To be fair, kpop stans and gen z bought most of the tickets online, so even if more people wanted to get tix, they couldn't. I'm proud of these *censored*ers, even if they're stupid enough to eat Tide pods. 

3 hours ago, Mani-Man said:

This rally was a disaster on so many levels...i did not expect that...i welcome it, but didnt expect it.
But still cant get over the fact he made a big show about drinking *censored*ing water...and looking like a complete fool doing that.
Seriously, can this man do anything without looking like a incompetent clown?

I dont know whats worse, the way he drank out of the water looking worse doing it than my 2 year old niece, or the fact that people cheered for him doing that.

This is why we need to stop pointing out Trump possibly being disabled. For all we know, he could have used two hands to drink water few weeks ago because he knew the left of center would make fun of him, and he could mock them by drinking with one hand and get cheers for that.

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Honestly surprised to see the arena in OK was large enough to accommodate 1,000,000 supporters.

Giggity

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35 minutes ago, Lunchbox said:

Your mans just retweeted a video of people yelling white power and called them great people. The mask is off, hes a racist *Censored*. 

That would mean he wore a mask...but he didnt.
His weird obsession with race, his boner for Henry ford whos racism inspired even hitler, the countless actions that showed his open racism.
Trump is the proof that in america you can be garbage as long as you have enough money and powerfull people as your buddies.
He was always a racist...the sad part is how many support his racism.

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56 minutes ago, Mani-Man said:

That would mean he wore a mask...but he didnt.
His weird obsession with race, his boner for Henry ford whos racism inspired even hitler, the countless actions that showed his open racism.
Trump is the proof that in america you can be garbage as long as you have enough money and powerfull people as your buddies.
He was always a racist...the sad part is how many support his racism.

Im sorry:

 

The hood is off**

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7 hours ago, Lunchbox said:

Your mans just retweeted a video of people yelling white power and called them great people. The mask is off, hes a racist *Censored*. 

I mean, it's mostly his supporters trying to deny it for whatever reason. He could make it 120% clear that he's a racist, and they'd still deny it or support him even more. 

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