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So here's the new topic. Please keep it civil and follow the board rules. If this or the other political-oriented topics break down like before, political discussion will be banned from the forum indefinitely.

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Biden is gonna be a hard pill to swallow, and a nomination for him certainly feels like handing a win to Trump on a silver platter. I hate that we're seeing a complete rehash of the same tactics they used to stump Bernie last time. You'd think people would be able to see the lies from a mile away at this point...but, they're literally doing the same stuff, and it seems to be working again. Smh. 

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I really am not keen for Biden to win as I don't think he cares about the people as much as Bernie does. The way he's been around girls and how he refuses to apologize and instead, attacks millennials and younger says it all for me.

 

But hey, anything is better than Trump or a republican president. 

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I've been predicting Biden Vs Trump for months. Very predictable how things are playing out. 

The question isn't if Trump will win in November (he will). The question is if the Republicans will hold the House, Senate and Presidency after November. 

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Why would people want Trump to win again? Man has done nothing of not but cause controversy for three years. He didn't do anything he promised. The nation right now is in a mass panic and he isn't doing anything to help it, its making us look so weak that if something bad were to really happen we would be so *censored*ed due to a lack of leadership and the fact that people can't see that is so *censored*ing scary.

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1 hour ago, Lunchbox said:

Why would people want Trump to win again? Man has done nothing of not but cause controversy for three years. He didn't do anything he promised. The nation right now is in a mass panic and he isn't doing anything to help it, its making us look so weak that if something bad were to really happen we would be so *censored*ed due to a lack of leadership and the fact that people can't see that is so *censored*ing scary.

Republicans would rather have a shitty president in office as long as it's a republican over a good Democratic president. Plus, Trump's cult supporters blindly believe anything he says while claiming anything against Trump is fake news, he has them brainwashed well. There are literally people who think Trump has ended racism (LOOOOOL) and has gotten this country more respect from other countries while Obama failed. Republicans are easily brainwashed and will believe anything that agrees with them, which is why we're in a pickle whenever they win presidency. Even those against Trump know that to have power, they have to stay united whereas Dems are just so full of infighting.

 

Either way, I hope something happens to McConnell so he never interferes in politics ever again. This cancer has done so much harm to people.

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ayo i’m staying home if Biden is the nominee. straight up. i care not what anybody has to say about it. Biden said himself he won’t change anything, what’s the point of voting for him if he’s admittedly going to carry on the status quo? THIS is where a lot of us gotta take a stand against the DNC otherwise they’re just going to keep doing this and keep losing. say what you want about republicans they know EXACTLY who they are and they don’t back down, dems don’t do that. Dems are fine with just being republicans who pretend to care about social issues. that’s literally it. so nah, a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump because let’s face it Trump will EAT him. i might as well save the gas and not risk corona. 

but let’s say by some miracle, Biden pulls it off. you know what’ll happen? he does nothing for four years and in 2024, honest people who thought he would change things for them would vote for whoever says “i’m going to be different” and it WILL be a republican because the republican party knows exactly what to do at almost every turn. then in 2028, the DNC will prop up the SAME type of soulless milquetoast candidate in spite of a populist and then blame racism and progressives for why they lost. so it’s either move to the left or continue to lose, it’s that simple. not every Trump vote was out of racism. plenty Trump voters were two-time Obama voters. Trump told regular people what he would do for them and that’s mostly how he won. on the Democratic side, Bernie is using the same strategy (just annoyingly more polite i guess), making it clear he’s fighting for regular people and the DNC is somehow not convinced it can win.

it’s frustrating to watch. also Biden’s brain is melting, so there’s that.

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38 minutes ago, M3J said:

When did Biden say he won't change anything? 

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https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

 

also, Trump himself has admitted on a few occasions that he does not want smoke with Bernie one on one. Tucker Carlson of Fox News knows Bernie is legit. Republicans are so politically savvy. Democrats plug their ears in spite of the people and try their hardest to force a square peg into a triangular hole.

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I wasn't too keen on Bernie winning last year and that feeling has crossed over. He's got good intentions, I just don't think sheeit is gonna go as smooth as he thinks it will. And Biden, honestly I don't wanna vote for him either even though he cool as sheeit. Nobody this time around felt like a good fit to me. 

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4 hours ago, EJ! said:

Trump himself has admitted on a few occasions that he does not want smoke with Bernie one on one. Tucker Carlson of Fox News knows Bernie is legit. Republicans are so politically savvy. Democrats plug their ears in spite of the people and try their hardest to force a square peg into a triangular hole.

Do you have a link or video on that? Be curious to check it out because I think Bernie would lose to Trump worse than Biden will. Sure Bernie has his die hard "Bernie Bros". But there aren't even enough of them to beat Biden.

Though I did get a laugh out of Bernie Sanders accusing the democrats of voter suppression. Normally something only the Republicans get accused of. 

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I don't buy the rhetoric of Biden being a bad dude, or a creep, or whatever...I think he's fine in that regard. But, the guy is just literally not fit to be a leader of anything right now. He took a hard dive over the past number of years. I thought he was good during his VP role. But, with the death of his son, and whatever else happened in his life...(old age in general)...he just can't speak intelligently at all anymore. You can quote me as saying he still speaks better than Trump...but that's saying almost nothing. 

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I was on his side till months ago he said he doesn't find the rich and big corporations to be a big problem in this country. 

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Man...it's like...I just don't get how so many people can blindly say that Bernie would not be a good leader, or that Biden would be a better one. People are obviously getting so hung up on the "socialism" part of "democratic socialism", and they're just completely ignorant to who and what Bernie stands for. I feel like so many people don't even listen to the guy...because, if they really did, then I'd think it would be impossible for anyone to say a bad word about him. He's lived his entire life the same way, and stood by the progress he's made. The way some people think is ludicrous, tbh.  The proof of the quality of man Bernie is speaks for itself. That, and he's one of the best speakers who has ever lived. He always knows exactly what he's talking about, and he never talks just to hear himself talk. 

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3 hours ago, nWo_Kevin said:

Do you have a link or video on that? Be curious to check it out because I think Bernie would lose to Trump worse than Biden will. Sure Bernie has his die hard "Bernie Bros". But there aren't even enough of them to beat Biden.

Though I did get a laugh out of Bernie Sanders accusing the democrats of voter suppression. Normally something only the Republicans get accused of. 

It was a recording and I can’t remember who posted which is making it harder to find but I’ll keep looking. Obviously he didn’t say he was scared of Bernie but he definitely acknowledged he would be tougher to beat. He’s right because Bernie is who Trump pretended to be on the 2016 campaign trail with a lot of stuff he was saying. 

In a world where either mainstream media was as objective as possible or a world where the majority of voters sought out more info instead of waiting to be informed, Bernie vs Trump is either close or Bernie straight up takes it. I’ll stick to that. Bernie has the ideas, rhetoric, empirical data, expert support and a near flawless record for 40+ years. It’d be hard to beat that. The problem is Bernie has no friends, at least none powerful enough to back him. He’s fighting Trump/republicans, the democratic establishment AND mainstream media, even the outlets that are supposed to be “safer” for him. Biden has no policy but has the benefit of name value, everybody liking Obama, and being propped up by the establishment and the media as the only one who can beat Trump. Trump is such a force that even though Bernie’s ideas are overwhelmingly popular, voters are told over and over that Biden is that guy that can beat Trump and unfortunately that’s all that matters, so they vote against their beliefs if it means Trump is gone.

And you can disbelieve it but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that almost every big state seems to have issues with counting votes or machines being messed up or polling stations being closed specifically in areas that are projected to be pro-Bernie. People say the young folks don’t come out to vote, but they do, a lot of people just can’t sit in a line for 5+ hours.

Slightly off-topic: Anybody have any ideas for how to make voting as easy and objective as possible to eliminate inconvenience and human error? These issues can’t happen with this much on the line. Phone and computer apps seem obvious but how do we prevent hacking or biased programming? Any ideas?

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30 minutes ago, EJ! said:

In a world where either mainstream media was as objective as possible or a world where the majority of voters sought out more info instead of waiting to be informed, Bernie vs Trump is either close or Bernie straight up takes it. I’ll stick to that. Bernie has the ideas, rhetoric, empirical data, expert support and a near flawless record for 40+ years. It’d be hard to beat that. The problem is Bernie has no friends, at least none powerful enough to back him. He’s fighting Trump/republicans, the democratic establishment AND mainstream media, even the outlets that are supposed to be “safer” for him. Biden has no policy but has the benefit of name value, everybody liking Obama, and being propped up by the establishment and the media as the only one who can beat Trump. Trump is such a force that even though Bernie’s ideas are overwhelmingly popular, voters are told over and over that Biden is that guy that can beat Trump and unfortunately that’s all that matters, so they vote against their beliefs if it means Trump is gone.

 

Yup...it's 100% this. And I hate it. It's the same story from the last time Sanders ran. His support is there...but people are dissuaded by the misinformation about it not being worth their time to vote for him. I really thought more people would have learned this from the first time and kept pushing for him anyway...but it clearly hasn't turned out to be the case. He could win handedly if everyone who wants him to win actually put their full support behind him. 

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6 hours ago, nWo_Kevin said:

Normally something only the Republicans get accused of. 

There are articles proving the accusations right. 

11 hours ago, EJ! said:

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https://www.salon.com/2019/06/19/joe-biden-to-rich-donors-nothing-would-fundamentally-change-if-hes-elected/

 

also, Trump himself has admitted on a few occasions that he does not want smoke with Bernie one on one. Tucker Carlson of Fox News knows Bernie is legit. Republicans are so politically savvy. Democrats plug their ears in spite of the people and try their hardest to force a square peg into a triangular hole.

The article was in June though. Biden could have swung a bit more to the left but honestly, given that he's a moderate this stance isn't surprising. It's why I support Bernie, but republicans and many democrats are selfish and do not like the idea of losing money, so they'll try to fight with Bernie as much as they can. 

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Not sure how reputable "Salon.com" is...and that article was reported by Bloomberg News at a time when Bloomberg would have known that he was going to oppose him. So...yeah. I've already said how little I really care for Biden. But, these things are worth considering.

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Vox reported it too. It also got mainstream attention. Colbert even had a whole segment on it. This report is from June and yet no one of the Biden camp has refuted the story. On top of that, he didn’t even have to say it because he’s shown us time and again.

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If it wasn’t said, it’s as easy as refuting it, especially when it has received main stream attention.

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So now BIden will be about Trump instead of focusing on Bernie as his enemy for the debate, and people are encouraging this, which is folly IMO. He should be trying to convince the Bernie supporters to vote for him if Bernie loses, and to get Bernie and Warren to endorse him. Right now, Bernie is his enemy, and if Biden doesn't realize this, then he's probably gonna lose the Primary or the election. 

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if it wasn't already obvious that the healthcare system is on a test...

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/12/insurance-industry-corrects-trump-actually-were-only-waiving-copays-coronavirus

To say people need a wake up call would be a serious understatement. Sadly, a crisis like this is needed to make people see the wrong in it.

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