PaperThinWalls Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 OC won’t beat Omega, but I do find it lame that he has a good chance at beating PAC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin3035 Posted May 7, 2021 Report Share Posted May 7, 2021 Hell they had orange Cassidy Penta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 Prob nothing. I swear Cody hasn't been on BTE since...AEW started? I know he's on Sammy's vlog a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Counting Lights said: ANd as I menioned, OC is extremely over, one of their top merch sellers, etc. To me it makes sense to see him in such a prominent spot, especially when I know he's not winning. Okay, well...you're clearly a PAC guy... So...get back to me when he kicks out of 3 red arrows and beats PAC with a rollup to earn the title shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Generations said: Okay, well...you're clearly a PAC guy... So...get back to me when he kicks out of 3 red arrows and beats PAC with a rollup to earn the title shot. Lol dude ain't kicking out of the Black Arrow, though he will likely win with Mouse Trap. And I genuinely don't mind. OC is built up enough that I can buy that kind of finish. We've had PAC vs Omega three times now in AEW. Kenny vs OC is actually a fresh matchup. And whether it's OC or PAC who wins (likely OC) neither is about to dethrone Kenny, so it doesn't make a difference to me who gets the shot right now. It's just gonna be a fun one off defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 8, 2021 Report Share Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Counting Lights said: Lol dude ain't kicking out of the Black Arrow I'm just gonna file this away for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Austin3035 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 You know after rewatching the blood and guts match it wasn't as bad as it's made out to be besides the ending but I think they backed themselves in the corner with a stipulation that you can only win if the other team gives up because that leads me to believe the only way they can ever end this match is pretty much how it ended with MGF and Jericho they should have kept the simulation where it's give up or pin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Jones Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 That ending to Blood & Guts was the worst ending in AEW history. I mean obviously I didn't want to see Jericho land on concrete, but come on. Get *censored*ing creative for pete sakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kman Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 I hate that anyone has to state that though, NO ONE wanted him to take a bump on concrete. It's a stupid narrative created to defend a laughable finish. It's frustrating as it purposefully trys to pie off any legit critism, you see it ALL the time. "but.. but.. look at the key demos!" "everyone complained when Matt got injureddd" "well he wasn't gonna take a bump on concrete!" End of the day the bump looked atrocious, the camera work was sloppy, Jericho with his eyes open letting people at ringside know he's okay was baaad. They deserve to be rightfully sh** on when they serve up sloppy wrestling. It's needs to improve, everyone knows wrestling is fake but don't insult your audience. It's a problem on both shows, the wink winks to the camera, the amateur props and gimmicks and the cosplaying wrestler stchick doesn't grow an audience, its keeps the very specific niche crowd that'll defend all the ludicrous stuff they serve up. If you can't pull off an angle convincing, then don't do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperThinWalls Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 I saw one person on Reddit claim AEW had to “explicitly show people stuff is gimmicked to not have the outrage police come out every time” since nobody gives them the benefit of the doubt on safety and spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin3035 Posted May 9, 2021 Report Share Posted May 9, 2021 Well they have a track record but it also tells the fans don't get hype there last to hype matchs turn out to be duds only one that live up to expectations was the unsanction match between moxie and omega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 Honestly, they could have ended it with MJF getting Inner Circle to throw in the towel. It would have been a solid enough moment on its own...similar in style to a classic Eddie Guerrero moment. Going for the "he's such an asshole that he's going to do it anyway" angle was a great idea in theory...but, terribly executed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 They could've done a spot through the cage??? But then everyone would've called it a WWE spot lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 actually didn’t like B&G as much as i hoped, but before i get into that i wanna say the Kenny promo went on entirely too long for me especially if OC is obviously not gonna say anything back. on top of it being long, it was shallow. either cut it short or be more than an after school bully. the B&G match wasn’t bad i guess but it was messy. a lot of the criticisms people have with the in ring product of AEW kinda showed here. i understand not wanting to be a “spotfest” and focusing on the grittiness and personal hatred of the guys but the problem is they still went for big spots and the grittiness and whatnot made the setups pretty much non-existent. buncha punches and then double piledriver spot and it’s like how exactly did we get here? it’s probably a side effect of the commercials but yeah. also the botches happened at the worst times. botches are whatever but when they happen for a big spot or moment it really sucks. i can tell they wanted to sell how powerful Wardlow is by having him yolk up Hager easily that one time, but he fell, and everybody awkwardly watched him readjust and it was oof. the ending has been talked about already but man...one thing nobody has mentioned, MJF had Jericho on two feet just grabbing him by the shirt...you can’t have me believe the legendary Chris Jericho was defenseless in that situation. bro is standing on his feet, that’s 90% of the struggle solved already, simply remove MJF’s hands from your body. i can understand if maybe Jericho was like dangling off or something but no, he was just chilling hoping MJF would leave him alone. and then honestly the landing was just funny, commentary couldn’t even sell it because they knew how goofy that shit looked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Generations Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 Here's the thing about Blood and Guts, also... The War Games match is fundamentally better, because there is no suggestive pretext of the match relying on blood or violence. If you name something War Games, then you need only deliver a "war"...which can mean any number of things. But when you specifically call it "Blood and Guts", you're saying "this is always going to be bloody". In kayfabe, you can bleed whenever you want. But, outside of kayfabe, you could have countless fights end without so much as a single drop of blood. So...it's a weird concept to begin with. The only other match type to specifically mention blood is "First Blood"...and that makes sense, because there must actually be blood for there to be a winner. I know they legally couldn't call the match "War Games"...but there is surely a long list of names that would be more inclusive and less damning than "Blood and Guts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 I think originally Cody got the trademark for "The Match Beyond", which was the nickname for WarGames back in WCW I believe. Last I read, WWE tried getting it back. I like "Blood & Guts" personally lol Speaking of them, apparently WWE thinks this match set the business back 30 years lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 Wrestling can't be "set back". People should drop that mentality. Wrestling just is what it is at this point. Every promotion puts out absolute dog shit from time to time. No exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 “set the business back” is hyperbolic because we’ll forget about it in a couple weeks but damn...a zoomed-in shot of Jericho falling onto a Serta mattress and wallpaper really does not help shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin3035 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 So they should have made this Moxie and these title matches that's going to be on Dynamite on double or nothing we're now about halfway until that pay-per-view and only still two matches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaperThinWalls Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Fight Me. said: I think originally Cody got the trademark for "The Match Beyond", which was the nickname for WarGames back in WCW I believe. Last I read, WWE tried getting it back. I like "Blood & Guts" personally lol Speaking of them, apparently WWE thinks this match set the business back 30 years lol The Match Beyond is the part where all the teams are in and the match actually begins. That’s where it comes from. Not a fan of the name “Blood and Guts” either. It’s a dumb name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Somehow I missed this lol Smart Mark is back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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