Paulie Walnuts Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 And further more... an independent selling out a large arena like MSG ISNT GROUNDBREAKING. It was done hindereds of times by different promotions all over the country in the territory days, we just havent had a real strong independent scene that fans actually wanted to follow in quite a long time. First of all ROH and New Japan aren't independent promotions and secondly no one other than Vince McMahon has done a million plus dollar gate in the US ever. So you're just wrong. Lol what? They used to sell out fricken stadiums back in the day with guys down in Memphis, or in Dallas, it wasnt uncommon for them to have large crowds at all... And ROH is most definitely still an independent wrestling company. NJPW is in the us, a independent wrestling company as well. In the case of All-In , Kenny Omega has literally zero to do with the funding of the event, to the best of my knowledge. Thats all Cody and the Bucks. And idk about MSG, but again, All-In is the first non-WWE or WCW event to sell out a 10,000 seat venue in 29 minutes since 1993. Thats over a decade, thats certainly groundbreaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Fair do we know if it was 29 minutes or are they just saying that to make it more seen piped up I mean it's possible they could have fudge the numbers to to seem more popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Fair do we know if it was 29 minutes or are they just saying that to make it more seen piped up I mean it's possible they could have fudge the numbers to to seem more popular It could be 29 minutes, as a lot of the tickets are snapped up by the re-sale companies which then sell them on at triple the face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Fair do we know if it was 29 minutes or are they just saying that to make it more seen piped up I mean it's possible they could have fudge the numbers to to seem more popular They learned about the sold-out thing via Twitter from fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhunter Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Fair do we know if it was 29 minutes or are they just saying that to make it more seen piped up I mean it's possible they could have fudge the numbers to to seem more popular It could be 29 minutes, as a lot of the tickets are snapped up by the re-sale companies which then sell them on at triple the face value. Which is what happened.. all sorts of scalpers bought tickets and are selling them for WAY higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 So all in then means it probably not as popular as people r saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted August 13, 2018 Report Share Posted August 13, 2018 Well if those scalpers are moving those tickets for even higher prices then I say that is pretty popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Yeah key word is if but we have no records on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Guess we just gotta wait to see many seats are filled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Yeah, I could definitely see the event falling considerably short in the end. And those scalpers are to blame for shit like that happening...because they don't care whether those seats get filled or not. Even if they sell half the tickets they bought, they can make profit and simply throw the other tickets away. Very few scalpers are concerned about moving every single ticket they have. They just want to break better than even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhunter Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 I cant believe how bad it was for all in though, I know there was one website who bought like over 1000 tickets and was selling them for $150 a pop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 How about you guys actually read on stuff before you come up with excuses to protect your precious WWE and try to shit on the hard work these guys are doing? The 'scalpers' for All In were way less than the usual percentage of scalper tickets for this kind of event. Summerslam had way more scalpers (percentage and number wise) than All In, for example. These guys could do a show that drew 12 million people with a 100 billion gate and there would still be people trying to say it's not a big deal. I guess that's the difference between being a wrestling fan and a WWE fan. I cant believe how bad it was for all in though, I know there was one website who bought like over 1000 tickets and was selling them for $150 a pop 100% bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 How about you guys actually read on stuff before you come up with excuses to protect your precious WWE and try to shit on the hard work these guys are doing? The 'scalpers' for All In were way less than the usual percentage of scalper tickets for this kind of event. Summerslam had way more scalpers (percentage and number wise) than All In, for example. These guys could do a show that drew 12 million people with a 100 billion gate and there would still be people trying to say it's not a big deal. I guess that's the difference between being a wrestling fan and a WWE fan. I cant believe how bad it was for all in though, I know there was one website who bought like over 1000 tickets and was selling them for $150 a pop 100% bullshit. Actually no it's called look at all sides of something cuz I'm pretty positive you have no records on scalpers and how many ticket scalpers bought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 How about you guys actually read on stuff before you come up with excuses to protect your precious WWE and try to shit on the hard work these guys are doing? The 'scalpers' for All In were way less than the usual percentage of scalper tickets for this kind of event. Summerslam had way more scalpers (percentage and number wise) than All In, for example. These guys could do a show that drew 12 million people with a 100 billion gate and there would still be people trying to say it's not a big deal. I guess that's the difference between being a wrestling fan and a WWE fan. Lmao...you've really gone off the rails here. It happens with every big event by every promotion in every area of entertainment. It happens with concerts, WWE, etc. How did you so defensively arrive at people "protecting precious WWE"? What a petty and laughable comment. Scalpers absolutely result in poor attendance. It's a fact. Do you really think that a "sold out" show is properly sold out by individual fans buying tickets? That's a new level of naivety to me... Scalpers consistently buy entire rows of seats and then sell them for 3x the price they paid. A lot of those seats get bought second hand by people who want to go to the event...but a lot of them invariably do not. You can see the proof of this yourself...just go do a search for tickets for this event...I guarantee there is no shortage of them still available on third party sites (at a huge price increase). Talking about people not being true wrestling fans because they mention scalping... The show sold out, and they got their money. The event did well, because the tickets are sold...but don't necessarily expect the building to actually be full. That is the takeaway here. And, yeah...why don't you actually present these "scalper statistics" that you claim to have... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Congrats on completely missing the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Congrats on completely missing the point. I didn't miss anything. You said that there were some statistics stating that the RoH shows had less scalpers...then gave no proof of such things...all while blasting people for being "pro-WWE/anti-indy" for suggesting that the tickets were scalped, which is a laughably bullshit claim. So, again...where are these stats you have that claim to know the percentage of scalped tickets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 14, 2018 Report Share Posted August 14, 2018 Congrats on completely missing the point. If he missed the point what was the point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abhunter Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 How about you guys actually read on stuff before you come up with excuses to protect your precious WWE and try to shit on the hard work these guys are doing? The 'scalpers' for All In were way less than the usual percentage of scalper tickets for this kind of event. Summerslam had way more scalpers (percentage and number wise) than All In, for example. These guys could do a show that drew 12 million people with a 100 billion gate and there would still be people trying to say it's not a big deal. I guess that's the difference between being a wrestling fan and a WWE fan. I cant believe how bad it was for all in though, I know there was one website who bought like over 1000 tickets and was selling them for $150 a pop 100% bullshit. Bro it was all *censored*ing over Twitter that seats were going for like $150 that were like $30-40 range on the website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 ^There were definitely a lot of poached tickets. I don't think it would be over 1000 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nerd Posted August 15, 2018 Report Share Posted August 15, 2018 Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 If Cody funding it counts as him and the other guys "single handedly selling it out", then I suppose every WW sell out is due to Vince McMahon. I mean, technically it is I guess - since he owns the company and could've NOT done the show... but that's a stupid thing to say "SummerSlam sold out because of Vince" If someone had posted that in a few days on the SS thread, they'd be called an idiot and probably told to kill themselves by MRN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted August 16, 2018 Report Share Posted August 16, 2018 If Cody funding it counts as him and the other guys "single handedly selling it out", then I suppose every WW sell out is due to Vince McMahon. I mean, technically it is I guess - since he owns the company and could've NOT done the show... but that's a stupid thing to say "SummerSlam sold out because of Vince" If someone had posted that in a few days on the SS thread, they'd be called an idiot and probably told to kill themselves by MRN SummerSlam isn't an independent event. This argument falls flat immediately. All of the promotion...all of the creation of All-In were Cody & The Young Bucks. They didn't even had a card announced (they still don't have the full card) when the event sold out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Also All In doesnt have the name brand behind it like WWE shows do. People will tune in to WWE shows simply because of brand recognition... Cody and the Bucks do not have that and had to strive to achieve that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawk1997 Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 Hopefully none of the BCE or BCOG come to wwe there good where there at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted August 17, 2018 Report Share Posted August 17, 2018 I cant believe how bad it was for all in though, I know there was one website who bought like over 1000 tickets and was selling them for $150 a pop I paid a ticket company £80 for a ticket right up the back of the Manchester Arena for Rebellion 2001 - it's nothing new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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