Mass shooting thread

[M3J]

 

It takes me less than a minute to find a way how to modify a weapon into an automatic one

 

That's already illegal, and a dangerous task to do if you don't know what you are doing.

 

To think, you rarely seen or heard about tragedies like this back then. Heck, in Michigan alone, you hear about shootings. There was one 2 blocks from my house. Wheather it's more strict gun control or more funding and studying of mental illness. Something needs to be done about this.

Mental illness is just a shitty excuse and cop-out to deflect blame from guns and horrible gun control laws.

 

Tired of this bs

Same. Too many lives lost, man.

 

 

 

they blame video games and anything but the guns, then they want more people to have guns trusting that the "good guys" will jump in to save the day using their guns... like it's a video game

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1158018462125572102?s=19

 

I...

 

 

-McCarthy was specifically asked directly about violence and videogames, he didn't state that videogames led to violence.

 

-White terrorism, like all terrorism, needs to be called out and defeated.

 

-Might I also add that even though most of the mass shootings have happened this decade, we are also at an all-time low in murder. We need to locate the reason to why this is, whether it be mental illness, domestic terrorism etc.

 

-The GOP, led by John Cornyn, tried to pass an NRA-backed three years ago that gave the attorney general 72 hours to prove there was a probable cause for denying a suspected terrorist the ability to purchase a gun. The measure garnered support from the National Rifle Association but failed on a 53-47 vote. It needed 60 votes to pass. All the Senate Dems voted against it.

 

-Why do I bring this up? Because this bill could have prevented the two shootings.

 

-Trump and the GOP have already banned bump stocks and are considering banning suppressors, yet they are doing nothing according to all of you.

 

-So this whole, blame the GOP and the NRA bit needs to go.

 

-I still believe that gun violence restraining orders is something everyone can get behind.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/03/19/gun-violence-restraining-orders-save-lives/

 

That's not enough, they need to do more, like putting a cap on how much guns one can buy or having a strict punishment for people who don't put in data correctly. And they should be banning suppressors, not considering it. Why would citizens need suppressors?

 

 

 

 

 

 

they blame video games and anything but the guns, then they want more people to have guns trusting that the "good guys" will jump in to save the day using their guns... like it's a video game

https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1158018462125572102?s=19

 

 

 

I...

-McCarthy was specifically asked directly about violence and videogames, he didn't state that videogames led to violence.

 

-White terrorism, like all terrorism, needs to be called out and defeated.

 

-I still believe that gun violence restraining orders is something everyone can get behind.[/background][/left][/color][/font]

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2018/03/19/gun-violence-restraining-orders-save-lives/

we can all agree on the first part, and GVRO sounds like something I can get behind, at least as a first step.

 

I still believe that the president's rhetoric against immigrants and Muslims creates/intices white supremacist agendas (especially if the recently discovered manifestos turn out to actually be written by the Walmart terrorist) and that access to automatic rifles should at the very least be very stricted.

 

 

Im not trying to be an asshole man, but automatic rifles have been restricted since the 80's. A civilian can't buy an automatic rifle maid prior to 1986 (just off the top of my head, could be wrong) and it is severely regulated.

 

If we are going to blame rhetoric, then you would surely blame Sanders for the Scalise shooting and AOC and the Squad for the ICE Detention Center bombing then, right?

 

 

Which only further proves that white supremacists are the most dangerous menace afflicting this country. They are unscrupulous and are willing to walk into any church or school or store and open fire on anyone, killing dozens.

 

 

Or how about so-called "pro-lifers" bombing/shooting up Planned Parenthood Centers? The concentration camp being bombed likely had a reason behind it - because of how ICE treat immigrants and abuse their power. Did Scalise's shooter ever give a reason why? According to Wiki, it was because of his rage against Republicans. Hmm, reminds me of the right and their rage against liberals and left wingers.

 

 

You've never fired with a suppressor before. It is nothing like the movies. They actually still make plenty of sound.

 

I agree about the data. Most of these mass shootings recently have been some type of failure when it comes to the government.

 

A law abiding citizen shouldn't have a cap on how many guns they can buy.

 

Which further proves they have no use if they still make noise. Suppressors are unnecessary. Guns in general are, but I don't support banning guns.

 

Yes, and they could have been prevented or at least fatalities reduced if people couldn't buy more than two or three guns, at least so quickly, without setting off alarm bells.

 

A law abiding citizen shouldn't need more than three or four guns. ANd they can easily become shooters if they wanted to.

[Doink!]

 

Which further proves they have no use if they still make noise. Suppressors are unnecessary. Guns in general are, but I don't support banning guns.

 

 

 

Yes, and they could have been prevented or at least fatalities reduced if people couldn't buy more than two or three guns, at least so quickly, without setting off alarm bells.

 

A law abiding citizen shouldn't need more than three or four guns. ANd they can easily become shooters if they wanted to.

 

They also reduce muzzle flash. You are really naïve on guns. They are also rarely used in crimes, per ATF.

 

https://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-despite-nearly-1-3-million-silencers-united-states-rarely-used-crimes/

 

Guns are fairly expensive. Not many people purchase two or three in a quick fashion.

 

People can literally run over a bunch of people if they wanted to. People can literally firebomb a whole crowd if they wanted to. Better go back to banning cars and alcohol.

[Faster Than Light]

it would be nice if you two would stop with the quote pyramids

 

 

[Doink!]

it would be nice if you two would stop with the quote pyramids

 

 

 

Are you going to do anything about a user advocating for a politician to get shot?

[Jeb ★]

Okay. Extremists are dangerous on both sides, and they can twist words (by Trump against Mexicans/women or by Sanders against Trump) as a call to violence (which is not the answer here). Casualties in the Scalise or ICE camps aren't more justified than the mall terrorist. But blaming Sanders or Alexandra Cortez for criticizing Trump's verbal attacks and the way he does things vs. blaming Trump for openly spreading hate against particular groups of people is different.

 

It's bad, but I'm not gonna feel sad at all if ICE or Border Patrol officers get killed.

 

Ah, because the republicans were trying to get rid of healthcare. SHame he didn't go after McConnell

Please don't go there, not in this forum.

[Faster Than Light]

 

it would be nice if you two would stop with the quote pyramids

 

 

 

Are you going to do anything about a user advocating for a politician to get shot?

 

 

I mean, I couldn't do anything if I wanted (I'm not a moderator, and I was just strongly suggesting no quote pyramids for the ease of everyone's reading ¯\_(?)_/¯ ). If you are offended by M3J's post then feel free to report it

 

 

Edit: of course ninja'ed by Jeb lol

[Doink!]

 

 

it would be nice if you two would stop with the quote pyramids

 

 

 

Are you going to do anything about a user advocating for a politician to get shot?

 

 

I mean, I couldn't do anything if I wanted (I'm not a moderator, and I was just strongly suggesting no quote pyramids for the ease of everyone's reading ¯\_(?)_/¯ ). If you are offended by M3J's post then feel free to report it

 

 

Edit: of course ninja'ed by Jeb lol

 

 

My mistake. Confused by the color of the names.

[M3J]

 

Doesn't matter if it's prevalent or not, Planned Parenthood Centers shouldn't be attacked, especially by people who claim to be "pro-life," which none of them are, in fact.

 

Yes at all. There's consistency behind context, and the concentration camp got attacked because of the humans rights violation going on with immigrants and especially children. It's bad, but I'm not gonna feel sad at all if ICE or Border Patrol officers get killed.

 

Ah, because the republicans were trying to get rid of healthcare. SHame he didn't go after McConnell

 

And there we have it. A crazy on the board.

 

Coming from a right winger who defends guns, this really means nothing. If this offends you, why not tell McConnell to stop hurting Americans and start doing something for them? I'm not gonna feel bad for wishing harm on a horrible human being like him.

 

like literally, the only reason why I even care about wanting something to be done about the gun problem is because far too many people are dying. If not for that, I wouldn't care or mind if someone owned 200 guns as long as they weren't using it to hurt others.

 

 

 

Which further proves they have no use if they still make noise. Suppressors are unnecessary. Guns in general are, but I don't support banning guns.

 

 

 

Yes, and they could have been prevented or at least fatalities reduced if people couldn't buy more than two or three guns, at least so quickly, without setting off alarm bells.

 

A law abiding citizen shouldn't need more than three or four guns. ANd they can easily become shooters if they wanted to.

 

They also reduce muzzle flash. You are really naïve on guns. They are also rarely used in crimes, per ATF.

 

https://freebeacon.com/issues/atf-despite-nearly-1-3-million-silencers-united-states-rarely-used-crimes/

 

Guns are fairly expensive. Not many people purchase two or three in a quick fashion.

 

People can literally run over a bunch of people if they wanted to. People can literally firebomb a whole crowd if they wanted to. Better go back to banning cars and alcohol.

 

I know they do. Once again, you're just proving that they're unnecessary and can be banned.

 

And yet, we've had few who bought a lot of guns in short amount of time, all within a year or two. Which apparently did not raise red flags. And something we agree on, I believe, is that if the authorities did their job properly and note a shooter's violent history, then we could have prevented one mass shooting.

 

Ugh, this comparison again. Cars are used to transport people. We tried banning alcohol, but that didn't work, just like banning guns wouldn't work in the US, but it's not used to kill people either. Guns' sole purpose is to hurt or end a life.

Okay. Extremists are dangerous on both sides, and they can twist words (by Trump against Mexicans/women or by Sanders against Trump) as a call to violence (which is not the answer here). Casualties in the Scalise or ICE camps aren't more justified than the mall terrorist. But blaming Sanders or Alexandra Cortez for criticizing Trump's verbal attacks and the way he does things vs. blaming Trump for openly spreading hate against particular groups of people is different.

 

It's bad, but I'm not gonna feel sad at all if ICE or Border Patrol officers get killed.

 

Ah, because the republicans were trying to get rid of healthcare. SHame he didn't go after McConnell

Please don't go there, not in this forum.

 

kk, didn't read this until after the last post.

 

But yeah, there's a difference between what AOC and the Squad say and what Trump says.

[Doink!]

"Coming from a right winger who defends guns, this really means nothing. If this offends you, why not tell McConnell to stop hurting Americans and start doing something for them? I'm not gonna feel bad for wishing harm on a horrible human being like him.

like literally, the only reason why I even care about wanting something to be done about the gun problem is because far too many people are dying. If not for that, I wouldn't care or mind if someone owned 200 guns as long as they weren't using it to hurt others."

You want people to stop being harmed, yet wish harm on others. The irony.

Gun violence and murder is at an all-time low and keeps declining.

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/1158153297901101063

 

Local news report: Dayton killer “was expelled from school after officials found a notebook where he reportedly wrote a list of people who he wanted to rape, kill and skin their bodies.”

Giant, flapping red flag.

 

Too bad we don't have those gun violence restraining orders. These people generally do not go out randomly and start shooting people dead. They usually leave warning signs everywhere which we can use to strip them of their weapons.

 

There are reports also coming out, after leaving an internet footprint, that the Dayton killer was not a right wing killer. He was a socialist, Satanist, Elizabeth Warren fan and an opponent of gun violence. He called the person that firebombed the ICE Detention Facility "a martyr."

 

https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/

 

They come in all shapes, sizes and political leanings.

 

Also hearing that the El Paso shooter was a supporter of UBI, climate change, and was anti immigrant long before Trump. He also hated the Republican Party because they were "Pro-Immigrant."

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/el-paso-shooting-how-can-we-police-ideology/595426/

Okay. Extremists are dangerous on both sides, and they can twist words (by Trump against Mexicans/women or by Sanders against Trump) as a call to violence (which is not the answer here). Casualties in the Scalise or ICE camps aren't more justified than the mall terrorist. But blaming Sanders or Alexandra Cortez for criticizing Trump's verbal attacks and the way he does things vs. blaming Trump for openly spreading hate against particular groups of people is different.

It's bad, but I'm not gonna feel sad at all if ICE or Border Patrol officers get killed.

Ah, because the republicans were trying to get rid of healthcare. SHame he didn't go after McConnell

Please don't go there, not in this forum.

 

 

Then perhaps you can defend why this post is different than Trump saying "The Press are the enemy of the people."

 

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1158146832352075790

 

Or Pelosi saying the tax cuts are Armageddon.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/363238-pelosi-denounces-gop-tax-reform-as-armageddon'

 

"When you're white ... you don't know what it's like to be poor."-Bernie Sanders.

 

Remember when AOC said we had twelve years to address climate change or everyone was going to die...……...and then she walked it back? How is that not extreme rhetoric?

 

Me, personally, I believe everyone is responsible for their own actions and people acting off of someone's words is extremely stupid. A person shouldn't be blamed for someone else's actions. BUT, if you are going to do it, blame needs to be consistent.

 

[Mango kid]

 

 

Yes, all rhetoric is bad and should be prohibited from being used by a political figure looking to serve it's people, though if this was the case Trump would have absolutely nothing to run on.

Great economy.

 

Lowest unemployment in US history.

 

Deregulation of businesses.

 

CO2 levels decreasing despite deregulation.

 

Yeah, nothing. Those are just off of the top of my head.

Except the economy is slowing down right now and next step is down

Except sign is one thing if Trump continues to hate and call people names then he showed that he doesn't really care if it changes he has to change 4 people 2 believe what he says

[EJ!]

bro im so desensitized to this shit now and i hate it. two massacres back to back and i barely batted an eye. its so normal to me at this point.

[maskedmaniac]

Its 3 massacres dating back to last week I think. Out in Cali at some almond festival thee was a shooting and it already seems like it was a year ago because weve had two more since. Its pretty hard to care when this shit is the norm now.

[WNX]

Not sure why CAWs hasn't been labeled a terrorist organization yet, you know with all the video games we play. I dunno man, my fingers gettin twitchy I might shoot a place up any minute. Saint Denis is gonna have a massacre on their hands

[Doink!]

bro im so desensitized to this shit now and i hate it. two massacres back to back and i barely batted an eye. its so normal to me at this point.

 

It is because everyone in the world is connected to one another, so news travels faster than it did before.

 

Honestly, (and I am not saying its the sole reason), I believe computers and social media have cut us off from having conversations as people (voice, eyes, emotions, etc.) I think we as people are devaluing the concept of life because all we do is talk by machine.

 

Destruction of the nuclear family is also to blame. Kids that end up in single parent homes are more likely to commit crime.

[M3J]

Really remarkable how republicans keep blaming everything but guns (and I think most are even refusing to blame white supremacy), even though the ease of buying guns is clearly an issue here. I mean, if you think your guns are going to be taken away because of stricter gun control laws, then that probably says more about you than it does about the laws.

 

Mental health, video games, and whatnot are getting blamed because republicans want to sidestep the issue, and what's just as scary is that there are actually people who believe them. Despite evidence.

[Doink!]

Really remarkable how republicans keep blaming everything but guns (and I think most are even refusing to blame white supremacy), even though the ease of buying guns is clearly an issue here. I mean, if you think your guns are going to be taken away because of stricter gun control laws, then that probably says more about you than it does about the laws.

 

Mental health, video games, and whatnot are getting blamed because republicans want to sidestep the issue, and what's just as scary is that there are actually people who believe them. Despite evidence.

 

Passing a federal background check is easy now? Could've fooled me.

 

And Republicans are not blaming guns because guns (themselves) do not kill people. Just for an experiment, I left my guns out all day while I went to work. Came home and none of them had been fired. Crazy how that works.

 

If you have heard any of the Dem politicians talking points, they are all wanting to ban certain types of firearms, even though common sense will tell you handguns kill the most people by a crapload, even in mass shootings.

 

This graph shows it. Handguns are actually used almost double the amount of long guns. And the incidents are almost double.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

 

I want to know why the Dems are focused on long guns when statistics show it is handguns? Someone answer that for me.

 

Yup, I'm sure mental health has had nothing to do with any mass shootings at all.

 

Keep drinking that Kool-Aid tho.

 

 

[Generations]

So, there was a shooting in my town about an hour ago. It was a private residence, not a public thing...but it still isn't the type of thing that happens where I live. Darkest timeline indeed...

[M3J]

And somewhere in NJ someone was collecting tons of weapons but turned himself in. Jeez

[Generations]

I remember exactly one other shooting nearby, and it was when I was too young to even acknowledge it. I was born in 88...and I want to say it was like...92 or 93. Involved a bunch of bikers at a local lodge, and I always heard stories about how the entire street smelled like blood. But, again...I'm 30 years old, and nothing like this has ever happened around here since then. This shit ain't Newark or the Oranges. My town is very much a picturesque farm town. From everything I've heard throughout the day, it sounds like a jilted lover situation. Can't be sure, though. Either way...it could have ended with a fist fight and not a shooting. Too many people with guns thinking they're John *censored*ing Wayne these days. Shooting someone dead is easier than testing yourself as a man and throwing hands. And that's all I got to say about that...

[M3J]

This world is becoming more and more *censored*ed up, with people killing each other and supporting bombing other countries and whatnot. Jeez.

 

Did the Dayton shooter have any political motivation for shooting people or was he just *censored*ed up in general?

[Doink!]

This world is becoming more and more *censored*ed up, with people killing each other and supporting bombing other countries and whatnot. Jeez.

 

Did the Dayton shooter have any political motivation for shooting people or was he just *censored*ed up in general?

 

That's the thing. Murder is going down, so it is becoming less *censored*ed up.

[maskedmaniac]

Murder is still pretty *censored*ed up, its just hard to care when it happens so often.

[Generations]

 

 

That's the thing. Murder is going down, so it is becoming less *censored*ed up.

 

 

Worded like shit.

 

Murder never becomes "less *censored*ed up". Certain people just become blind to it. Others see exactly what's happening, get angry about it, and try to push for common sense gun laws.

[Faster Than Light]

welp, armed robbery in a Walmart parking lot in a town close to where I live.

 

Not a mass shooting (or at least as far as I read), but hate how its getting close to home x.x

[Jeb ★]

"About 40 white collar Walmart employees exited their office building in San Bruno, Calif. for a moment of silence Wednesday. They're protesting their employer's sale of guns, Abha Bhattarai and Greg Bensinger write."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/07/walmart-employees-staging-walkout-protest-gun-sales/