Creepia Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 A friend of a friend from Portsmouth University was at the concert. She appeared on the news and she's fine. An attack on children is cowardly and despicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Children are among the fatalities The ages of two fatalities have been confirmed - 18 and 8. *Censored*, this is so *censored*ed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Man, I feel bad for Ariana Grande and the young concert-goers... But not for any old concert goers...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I'm tired of this shit. A *censored*ing concert. That's terrifying. An event people go to forget their problems and enjoy themselves turns into a event of tragedy. RIP to the lives lost. Heart goes out to Ariana because I'm sure she is scared of ever performing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nWo_Kevin Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I won't get into the whole Islam/terrorist thing, because I'm sure no one wants this thread to turn into that. But I do have a question for some of my wrestling friends here. How is security at events? I remember 1-2 years ago (maybe) when there was rumors about how WWE was one of the targets of ISIS and people said that there was hardly any security precautions compared to say an NFL game where they run a metal detector along your body and your not allowed to have any bags in the stadium unless they are see-through etc... I pray nothing like that ever happens but I hope security has been beefed up since the last time I talked to someone about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Vercetti Posted May 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Security is cool here for when WWE is in town. Figured security would beef up for music concerts after the Christina Grimmie situation last year. That shit still gets me after almost a year later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Man, I feel bad for Ariana Grande and the young concert-goers... But not for any old concert goers...? Don't put words in his mouth. He obviously didn't imply that he didn't care for old concert goers, it's just common knowledge that the gig was majority attended by teenagers and children. M3J didn't need to lay out every demographic. Don't be a dick, it's not the right subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Exactly. I even admitted that I feel horrible about hoping it was the older people who were killed by the blasts over the younger ones. Bad enough to see people killed unnecessarily, but those who aren't even 18 yet? Beyond *censored*ed up and aggravating. Hate the fact that instead of saying "I hope no one was killed or hurt," I have to hope it's not the youth. Sadly, few young people have lost their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shindol Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I worked with the bombers brother up until January this year. Wonder if he knew what the *Censored* his brother was gonna do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning116 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Just the fact that children, mostly pre-teen girls, are among the dead for a CONCERT with a pop girl star is just....... How low of a human being are you to attack defenseless children like that? This is just as bad as Sandy Hook's in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Man, I feel bad for Ariana Grande and the young concert-goers... But not for any old concert goers...? Don't put words in his mouth. He obviously didn't imply that he didn't care for old concert goers, it's just common knowledge that the gig was majority attended by teenagers and children. M3J didn't need to lay out every demographic. Don't be a dick, it's not the right subject. Then why did he need to specific "young"? the sentence works without it "I feel bad for Ariana and the people who went to her concert" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Man, I feel bad for Ariana Grande and the young concert-goers... But not for any old concert goers...? Don't put words in his mouth. He obviously didn't imply that he didn't care for old concert goers, it's just common knowledge that the gig was majority attended by teenagers and children. M3J didn't need to lay out every demographic. Don't be a dick, it's not the right subject. Then why did he need to specific "young"? the sentence works without it "I feel bad for Ariana and the people who went to her concert" Because I feel more for the youths than I do for the older ones? Wouldn't you feel like shit knowing what the young, innocent people are going through as opposed to the older ones who have read about terror attacks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Man, I feel bad for Ariana Grande and the young concert-goers... But not for any old concert goers...? Don't put words in his mouth. He obviously didn't imply that he didn't care for old concert goers, it's just common knowledge that the gig was majority attended by teenagers and children. M3J didn't need to lay out every demographic. Don't be a dick, it's not the right subject. Then why did he need to specific "young"? the sentence works without it "I feel bad for Ariana and the people who went to her concert" You're thinking way too much into wording that M3J probably didn't mean too put specifically. You are picking his words apart for no real reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGPLX. Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Muur don't turn this into a tasteless argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 They made one arrest now the question. That needs to be answer was it a lone attack and was he apart of a network this why trump ban is called for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 They made one arrest now the question. That needs to be answer was it a lone attack and was he apart of a network this why trump ban is called for Trump ban has nothing to do with us, don't bring that shit in here. Muur don't turn this into a tasteless argument. Not sure why he wants to be a dick to M3J who just wanted to share his thoughts on a tragedy. Imagine picking apart someone's wording over something like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 They made one arrest now the question. That needs to be answer was it a lone attack and was he apart of a network this why trump ban is called for Trump ban has nothing to do with us, don't bring that shit in here. Muur don't turn this into a tasteless argument. Not sure why he wants to be a dick to M3J who just wanted to share his thoughts on a tragedy. Imagine picking apart someone's wording over something like this. But it does when you don't have the money or resources to vet everyone coming into the country you have no choice but to treat everyone the same way until you can vet everyone no PC bullshit but that the world we live in now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Lmao...it's Austin. His nonsense isn't even worth reading. I saw "trump ban" and I just skipped right past it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 They made one arrest now the question. That needs to be answer was it a lone attack and was he apart of a network this why trump ban is called for Trump ban has nothing to do with us, don't bring that shit in here. Muur don't turn this into a tasteless argument. Not sure why he wants to be a dick to M3J who just wanted to share his thoughts on a tragedy. Imagine picking apart someone's wording over something like this. But it does when you don't have the money or resources to vet everyone coming into the country you have no choice but to treat everyone the same way until you can vet everyone no PC bullshit but that the world we live in now. HOw the *Censored* would that help if the terrorist/s were born in the country, you dunce? According to a source, the suicide bomber was British. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs1991 Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 I won't get into the whole Islam/terrorist thing, because I'm sure no one wants this thread to turn into that. But I do have a question for some of my wrestling friends here. How is security at events? I remember 1-2 years ago (maybe) when there was rumors about how WWE was one of the targets of ISIS and people said that there was hardly any security precautions compared to say an NFL game where they run a metal detector along your body and your not allowed to have any bags in the stadium unless they are see-through etc... I pray nothing like that ever happens but I hope security has been beefed up since the last time I talked to someone about it. I'm not from the UK, so i can't comment on how it is at this arena but when i saw her earlier this year in february the security seemed pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Doesnt matter the security if they really want to they. Will as we see take months and years planning this. But the truth is we just get complacent security drops after long periods of nothing happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Doesnt matter the security if they really want to they. Will as we see take months and years planning this. But the truth is we just get complacent security drops after long periods of nothing happen It's not a matter of complacency...it's a matter of more people being sick *censored*s. What, do you think that people tried in the past to smuggle bombs into venues on a regular basis, and they were turned away by armed guards? The attacks themselves are happening more often. It's homegrown terrorism, because more people are mentally unstable these days. It has very little to do with refugees or immigrants. That's a cop-out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 Doesnt matter the security if they really want to they. Will as we see take months and years planning this. But the truth is we just get complacent security drops after long periods of nothing happen It's not a matter of complacency...it's a matter of more people being sick *censored*s. What, do you think that people tried in the past to smuggle bombs into venues on a regular basis, and they were turned away by armed guards? The attacks themselves are happening more often. It's homegrown terrorism, because more people are mentally unstable these days. It has very little to do with refugees or immigrants. That's a cop-out. Umm no most hollands attacjs were refugees normally security is relaxed at the end of events so yes complacently plays a huge part in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 The frightening thing is that security has to be right 100% of the time, but some sick waste of human life only has to evade them once. In the past you could at least count on the perpetrators not wanting to get caught in their own blast - but now, with people prepared to die just to cause maximum death and carnage - there's literally no rules now. And yes it appears from reports the perpetrator was a British national. As I've said before, I've been to the venue (Manchester Evening News Arena) myself in 2000, and security was tight to the point they confiscate the plastic lid when serving you a coke. Bag searches were in place even then (and this was pre 9/11) I believe the security standards and protocols for large venues in Britain are actually now mandated by law - We still had huge security at the O2 in September, and I would certainly expect the M.E.N Arena would be similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Rayne Posted May 23, 2017 Report Share Posted May 23, 2017 It's homegrown terrorism, because more people are mentally unstable these days. Well, I don't know about that. Unless there are some mass, demonstrable diagnoses/statistics that I'm unaware of, I don't see how you could possibly claim that. I'd imagine there's a lot more nuance at play here, in terms of why these events seem to be increasing in frequency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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