Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 "Change the channel heat"...sure. There's always that excuse when a good heel gets heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E#37 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 But she's not a good Heel. She just sucks at everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Thats like saying Roman Reigns gets good heat. Thats not heat because your a good heel, its bad heat because you absolutely suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 "Change the channel heat"...sure. There's always that excuse when a good heel gets heat.A good heel is someone like Edge, Muhammad Hassan, Triple H .etc Eva is not even anywhere near their level. She isn't anyone who anyone loves to hate. She is hated cause she sucks at everything. If you suck at everything, then I am more inclined to watch something else. Do you think Dixie Carter is a great heel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 She was good at getting heat for no real reason, but she wasn't a good heel. Let's make clear on the semantics here. She was objectively NOT a good heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 But Eva was supposed to get heat...and she did....and she did a great job with it. It's not hard to understand. If the crowd didn't care about her they wouldn't do anything, but they enjoyed booing her. It's like saying Vickie Guerrero didn't get good heat. They both took advantage of what people hated about them and they got the desired reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E#37 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Sasha is a example of a good recent womens Heel when she was in NXT. She mad a kid cry. Eva gets heat because noone wants to see her wrestle because she absolutely sucks, not because she does good stuff as a Heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 But Eva was supposed to get heat...and she did....and she did a great job with it. It's not hard to understand. If the crowd didn't care about her they wouldn't do anything, but they enjoyed booing her. It's like saying Vickie Guerrero didn't get good heat. They both took advantage of what people hated about them and they got the desired reaction. Except RyderFan called her the perfect heel. Which she definitely was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 It doesn't matter why she got heat. What's important is that she got it...and that she was supposed to. She took advantage of the fact that people believe she sucks, and got heat out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 It doesn't matter why she got heat. What's important is that she got it...and that she was supposed to. She took advantage of the fact that people believe she sucks, and got heat out of it. They weren't wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 So if i get in the ring and get booed cause im shit am i a good heel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E#37 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Roddy Piper is rolling over in his grave if that is all that it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 If she is getting heat, fine whatever. The problem is she has nothing quality-wise to bring to the table like 80% of heels do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 It doesn't matter why she got heat. What's important is that she got it...and that she was supposed to. She took advantage of the fact that people believe she sucks, and got heat out of it. They weren't wrong. True, but that played into it how effective it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 So if i get in the ring and get booed cause im shit am i a good heel? Well...yes. You got booed. Congrats, the crowd's eating up your sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Getting heat for absolutely sucking at your job = Being a perfect heel. Learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E#37 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Getting heat for absolutely sucking at your job = Being a perfect heel. Learn something new everyday. The bar is set high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingKhan18 Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 The difference between good heat and bad heat is this: Good heat is when the crowd boos a certain heel wrestler for doing heelish things while still being entertained and invested in the storyline. For example, take when Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart were around. They would be annoying assholes throughout the match, being a distraction and annoyance to the face wrestler. However, the fans were invested in the match because of their heelish tactics. They continued watching in hopes that faces like Hogan would overcome the heels, and beat up the manager. That kind of stuff has the fans booing, yet still entirely invested in the product. Bad heat is when the fans boo because the heel at hand is very bad at their job. They don't boo Eva because she got them invested in the face. they booed her because she blows at everything. Godawful wrestler, her acting was on par with Tommy Wiseau, and she overall had nothing going for her. Saying Eva is the perfect heel is like saying The Goon or Gobbledy Gooker were perfect heels because no one liked them. Good heat is when you get wrapped up in a match and/or storyline because the heel is so skilled he/she has you basically in the palm or their hand. Bad heat is when the fans just want you to be fired, and they hate watching you. Pushing someone with bad " X- Pac" heat does nothing but damage to your product. It draws fans away from watching, because they don't want to see such a talentless wrestler be pushed. Imagine if a guy defended The Great Khali winning the WHC by saying " Oh,you just hate him due to his effective heel work!" Wouldn't you just want to slap the guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Getting heat for absolutely sucking at your job = Being a perfect heel. Learn something new everyday. The bar is set high. Poor Ric Flair, Piper, Triple H, Edge, etc. Put so much so work into becoming excellent at being hated when all they needed to do was be talentless hacks and talk nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 The fact that you're getting heated up over Eva Marie due to her actually being a good heel is quite amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 No one is getting heated. This is a perfectly fine discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papa Paul Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 The difference between good heat and bad heat is this: Good heat is when the crowd boos a certain heel wrestler for doing heelish things while still being entertained and invested in the storyline. For example, take when Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart were around. They would be annoying assholes throughout the match, being a distraction and annoyance to the face wrestler. However, the fans were invested in the match because of their heelish tactics. They continued watching in hopes that faces like Hogan would overcome the heels, and beat up the manager. That kind of stuff has the fans booing, yet still entirely invested in the product. Bad heat is when the fans boo because the heel at hand is very bad at their job. They don't boo Eva because she got them invested in the face. they booed her because she blows at everything. Godawful wrestler, her acting was on par with Tommy Wiseau, and she overall had nothing going for her. Saying Eva is the perfect heel is like saying The Goon or Gobbledy Gooker were perfect heels because no one liked them. Good heat is when you get wrapped up in a match and/or storyline because the heel is so skilled he/she has you basically in the palm or their hand. Bad heat is when the fans just want you to be fired, and they hate watching you. Pushing someone with bad " X- Pac" heat does nothing but damage to your product. It draws fans away from watching, because they don't want to see such a talentless wrestler be pushed. Imagine if a guy defended The Great Khali winning the WHC by saying " Oh,you just hate him due to his effective heel work!" Wouldn't you just want to slap the guy? Eva didn't get "X-Pac" heat though. She just got heat. She also did some great heelish things that you've never seen before. Calling off her match with Becky Lynch on the Smackdown Live debut. Then the wardrobe "malfunction". All were very heelish things. I don't like the term "X-Pac heat" in general, because it's often used when a heel is doing what they're supposed to do. People used to say Vickie Guerrero had "X-Pac heat", when that was simply not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 The fact that you're getting heated up over Eva Marie due to her actually being a good heel is quite amusing. No, I'm literally stating that she's the perfect heel and would have been the perfect role model for the legendary heels had she been born and entered the industry before them. I mean, booed for being crap. All their training was for no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPC Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 Evas the type of heel that would have been utilized best by being eye candy for a talented male stars arm. Standing there rolling her eyes at the babyfaces and occasionally chiming in on the conversation when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tetra Posted March 28, 2017 Report Share Posted March 28, 2017 I'm so disappointed to hear that the SD Live Women's Title match has been moved to the pre show but also slightly relieved as I was staying up to watch it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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