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14 hours ago, Fight Me. said:

Done by 25, crazy lol

He really peaked at like 22. Damn. 

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Sad thing is, I can see Dream getting hired or being able to continue his career few months or years down the line. 

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He can apologize publicly, get his life together, find a significant other of age, and continue on about his merry way, I think. People can grow up and out of certain....habits. It remains to be seen though, how he chooses to go about this experience. I don't wish him a miserable life.....I just hope he learns from this and never does anything like it again. People are always gonna assume he's a pedophile now, which is unfortunate but not unwarranted. For now, he's screwed. lol But do I think there's a future for him in the wrestling business? I think there is....he's too young for there not to be. We'll see. MLW seems to hire people who don't get work elsewhere.

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It's going to be interesting to read what he's up to in wrestling in a couple of month or a year. Either he's going to retire or try his best to continue his career positively somehow or he'll become bitter after all of this and we see youtube videos of him at some indie show dropping angry pipebombs or something self destructive like drug addiction or something like that 

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Read that as Brandilorian (what Brandi Rhodes twitter was for a while). I was like...huh. Lol

 

Anyway, if I just moved into a new place, I would just stay there. Isn't Orlando basically the epicenter of pro wrestling these days anyway? Seems strange to move out of the apartment just because WWE released her. Also, don't most apartments require a deposit payment and a guarantee that you'll rent for a specific time? Is she just losing her deposit to get out of there? Seems strange to me. 

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9 minutes ago, Generations said:

Read that as Brandilorian (what Brandi Rhodes twitter was for a while). I was like...huh. Lol

 

Anyway, if I just moved into a new place, I would just stay there. Isn't Orlando basically the epicenter of pro wrestling these days anyway? Seems strange to move out of the apartment just because WWE released her. Also, don't most apartments require a deposit payment and a guarantee that you'll rent for a specific time? Is she just losing her deposit to get out of there? Seems strange to me. 

That may be true but rent is expensive in Orlando like it's one of the most expensive cities in Florida and I believe there's also in contracts there's a grace period where you can get out of it it's maybe like a week or two

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3 hours ago, Fight Me. said:

Damn.

Jesus.. that *censored*ing sucks. 
 

kinda reminds me of how average players in professional sports leagues bounce around from team to team every year. 

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Def messed up his main roster run but I keep seeing reports of possible health issue. The sudden way he was taken off tv beside COVID and having no explanation seems health related to me 

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Dream addresses the allegations via IG story. It's a lot so yeah I'm tagging lol

The allegations from April 20, 2020, have effectively derailed any upward momentum I had professionally. And has ultimately resulted in my termination with WWE. My name is Patrick Clark, not the Velveteen Dream. Velveteen Dream is a character that I have spent years developing and trying to bring to life. The success of the Dream character relied heavily on kayfabe, my ability to blur Patrick Clark from Tough Enough with this over-the-top personality.

The character was conceptualized the day Prince passed, April 21, 2016. I knew nothing about him at that time, but my thinking was that I could use my interpretation of Prince to create an onscreen personality vastly different from who I am as a person.

'Cue Velveteen Dream: A Sexually Ambiguous, Gender Fluid, Self Absorbed Divo. And as I learned more about Prince I began to tame certain aspects of the character. Aspects that I deemed way too over the top and inconsistent with who Prince was as a performer.

Now before I unpack, I will say, I've enjoyed the many stories I've been able to share on camera and I'm grateful to the many people who trusted me with their safety and wellness.

Thank you to any and everybody who enjoyed and allowed me to be my character, whether you paid a ticket or walked up on me in Walmart. My goal was to provide you with the same escape that I was offered when I first started watching. My job was to play a character and to help advance storylines and drama for the fans who cared to tune in. I take any job I have seriously, which is why I've remained silent about these allegations. To me addressing rumors would be working against an already compromised ability to sell a character I've invested in so heavily. After I had been accused, I was given the opportunity to be in a storyline that lasted a few months and I worked in a few segments unrelated to the story arch, but now I feel comfortable in this position to share with you the details of my accusations.

The night of April 20th, from my verified Instagram account I posted a story to my followers letting them know that my DMs had been open. I received a few different messages ranging from support, to heckling, and some inquiring about how to get started in pro wrestling. I responded to a few, but not all, and of the few, I responded to one account accused me of solicitation. The account belonged to a 17-year-old aspiring wrestler Jaccob, before he deleted it. In the conversation, Jaccob shared his interest in working as a wrestler one day and asked what steps would be required. I messaged a shortlist of things he should consider if he was serious: Physique and Promo to start. Physique, because as an independent contractor no one is going to make you train and eat in a way that creates the aesthetic of a believable pro wrestler. And Promo because our job is to sell drama, and you can't rely on someone flipping channels to stop to watch a choreographed fight, you're more likely to grab their attention looking into a camera with a strong and impassioned 30-second monologue. I also inquired about which schools he was closest to in relation to wrestling training, his weight, and his height.

Jaccob explained how anxious he felt messaging me and asked me to verify that it was really me. I did find it strange because I have a blue check, but as a lifelong fan I remember meet and greets and the days I would message wrestlers hoping to be seen, so I chalked it up to innocence and sent a voice message in my Velveteen Dream voice, as to keep kayfabe. The full voice message has me asking Jaccob about his height, weight, where he trained, and what school he attended. Which Jaccob answered back with a voice message and I continued to answer his questions until I politely wrapped up the conversation. April 21st I woke up to notifications and tags of created screenshots and videos of a conversation that I didn't have with Jaccob. I immediately contacted WWE's talent relations and social media departments as to begin an investigation. Even after the investigation, WWE released a statement maintaining my innocence. The part that hurt for me was having a personal picture that I've used in my personal life, on apps, being used to label me as a predator. I am in no way of the word a predator. This is the first and only time I've been accused of any solicitation to anyone.

Until I was accused of grooming by Joshua Fuller, unlike Jaccob, I know Josh. I met Josh after my stint on Tough Enough (2015) at a meet and greet. And we developed a friendship through a mutual trainer at GXW. Josh shared to Twitter screenshots of the first time we communicated through text (2016), an autographed picture from when we met, and an extremely contradictory story. Josh alleged that I made him feel uncomfortable but contradicts himself twice by saying I was never sexual toward him. For those willing to research Josh's tweet accusing me; Josh's messages are in blue and mine in grey. Josh claimed that he was a 16-year-old high school graduate and that he takes "yearly trips" with his friend to Orlando, FL. I doubted what he told me, yet I kept my replies diplomatic and professional. The reality of the situation is that I was very helpful and respectful to Josh. Josh lives with his grandparents in rural southern Maryland. Josh got a concussion (2017) and against my advice, insisted on wrestling. My worry came from Josh severely injuring himself, specifically his brain. I suggested he take time off from training to see a doctor. He declined because he believed he could work through the concussion, and I cut all communication with him in 2018 because I didn't want to be partially responsible had he worsened his injury. So to have him accuse me of predatory behavior because I chose not to help was spiteful.

Josh and Jaccob are 2 of MANY people that I've helped. Yet these are the only two who have found me to be malicious and predatory in how I go about helping others. What wasn't shared at the time - Josh Fuller reached out to Jaccob over social media before Josh put out his own accusation. When this came out Josh Fuller temporarily deleted his twat: account @joshfullerpw - Which is important because, in all the social media confusion, Josh Fuller is the only one who suggested that an investigation had not been done and that had not been contacted. - Jaccob deleted his social media after he was outed for being a member of an anti-black group chat. There is a public forum, wwe Ipsg stars where people are buying, selling, and sharing explicit photos and videos of multiple wrestlers and no one has done anything to have this site taken down.

All in all this entire experience defamed my character and ultimately accomplished what it sought out to do and that was to see me released. My hope is that over time people can put 2 and 2 together and realize that all the allegations surrounding me were baseless and untrue from the jump. I felt strongly about not needing to defend myself on social media for a while now, but I understand the audience I work for, and those who know me deserve clarity. I'm thankful for the opportunities afforded to me and the memories I have as a receipt. GOD HAS ALWAYS HAD ME AND HE ALWAYS WILL. DREAM IS OFFICIALLY OVER

BUT Patrick Clark LIVES TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY

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Honestly, he does a convincing job of breaking things down. I guess now that the internet knows these people's names, and their association with each other, and the existence of this forum that sells photos and videos...it will be a timely manner to see the validity of his statements. If he was truly done like this, then that's messed up. The internet will do what it does, I'm sure. If there's truth to his side of the story, then those people will be sus'd out. If he's making it all up...then he's only digging a deeper hole.

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He really is convincing with this Statement, it makes me question the situation and if i didnt let myself be dragged along with the mob.
Time will tell where this goes now.

If his side of this is the Truth, then a lot needs to be done to make this right.

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39 minutes ago, Mani-Man said:

He really is convincing with this Statement, it makes me question the situation and if i didnt let myself be dragged along with the mob.
Time will tell where this goes now.

If his side of this is the Truth, then a lot needs to be done to make this right.

This is where I'm at too.

That said, plenty of the worst people in history are also the most diplomatic.

I guess ultimately I just want whoever is in the wrong to get their just desserts, but idk how we can completely confirm who is telling the truth. Gonna feel like an asshole if it turns out Dream was innocent all along.

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That’s why I don’t always fully believe allegations. Not saying I fully believe Dream and others who defend themselves but it just shows that there is a lot of unknown and that the court of public opinion is dangerous and important.

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Aight, nope, nevermind, Dream didn't mention the third kid involved who straight up posted screengrabs of Dream sending him a dickpic after telling him he's 17.

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^ Dream mentioned a forum where there are wrestler's nudes being traded...and it's honestly easy enough to fake all of that if you had a desire to. If you already have a nude pic of Dream, you could photoshop together a "text conversation" like that pretty damn easily. Also...the pic doesn't even need to be Dream. There is no face, so it could be any black dude. And there are no timestamps or dates, which is weird on a text chain. I don't know. It's not my concern. I don't know how Dream is going to go about proving his innocence (if he is) anyway. His career is pretty much ruined either way. You would need some extremely definitive proof to move past the allegations. 

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19 minutes ago, Generations said:

^ Dream mentioned a forum where there are wrestler's nudes being traded...and it's honestly easy enough to fake all of that if you had a desire to. If you already have a nude pic of Dream, you could photoshop together a "text conversation" like that pretty damn easily. Also...the pic doesn't even need to be Dream. There is no face, so it could be any black dude. And there are no timestamps or dates, which is weird on a text chain. I don't know. It's not my concern. I don't know how Dream is going to go about proving his innocence (if he is) anyway. His career is pretty much ruined either way. You would need some extremely definitive proof to move past the allegations. 

Thats the thing, can we say 100% that this is not faked?
Because that is what makes this situation so damn complicated and Clark has most likely no way of proving his side of the story.
Which puts him in the losing position either way.

Not saying Clark is innocent, but considering those three claim to want answers yet it doesnt seem they pushed further for exactly that...raises questions.
Its such a complicated situation.
 

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Also there's no timestamps cause the convo is on IG messenger. They only put the date at the start of the convo and you gotta swipe the screen to see the timestamps. I remember when these first came out, people were questioning the legitimacy of them by saying the blue checkmark looks kinda off-centered and kind of blurry lol

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Well...like I said, it's not my concern. It's just a shame if there is any validity to what Dream is saying. Because, it's entirely possible that it's true. 

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that's a pretty convincing statement... but then I was in the camp of doubting the allegatiions. though the frst part is a bit weird... like, you wanted to stay true to your character and edginess of it as in risking alledging yourself as a sexual predator? I mean, get what he was saying, but it's a bit weird. 

and it may sound stupid and weird (maybe the wrong words), but what he was writting kinda also follows my logic about what possibly was going on, especially around Josh Fuller. he shared a lot of specific information and details too. 

IF all this is true... that it's majorly *censored*ed up. even though it may not be directly the reason for his release, I can see it influencing his attitude towards everything and his rumored unprofessional behaviour. in wrestling terms, he was and is still very young. 

and if all this is true, they all pretty much *censored*ed up due to not wanting to deal with a touchy subject like this due to "bad PR" and everything. in terms of, yes, Patrick Clark was being naive or however you want to call it, but a good employer especially if you see him as someone who would bring you money down the line... you stick by him and try to clear up the mess and not tippy toe around it. why? because wrestling fans are idiots and it would create just more controversy which you don't want to deal with it? Yes HHH was trying to be clear, but it was still brushing away with it and hoping it will go away for some reason, which was impossible. and they were obviously convinced he hasn't done anything wrong in that case. 

people wanted Dream to be fired due to allegations which weren't proven, and obviously couldn't have been. WWE did not have grounds to fire him due to that reason, would probably even risk a lawsuit down the line. 

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