Shiftygism Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Top's not accurate, I know. I just tossed it together to get something going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future™ Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 ya might wanna work a lot more in the face, buddy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtegedg Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 ya might wanna work a lot more in the face, buddy.. This, massively. Your attire looks unreal, the face isn't even close though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 That's kinda funny given that's actually her face. I used a texture, not the face upload. It needs a bit more structure work, like slimming out the sides and definitely moving the mouth up a bit, but it resembles her more than any CAW I've seen this year given no one ever includes her laugh lines, or makes them bold enough. Let's face it, she has a granny face, and the laugh lines are her most striking facial feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtegedg Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Seriously? Dude, if you can't take feedback then don't post your previews here. You need to use a whole lot of deformation on that face, because -to be blunt- it doesn't look like her. There are features that you can see, but the whole thing is rather unbalanced. I can see that you've added the details, and that's good because face lines and wrinkles are things that define a CAW, but I honestly feel like the face needs to catch up to that detail first. For example, if you're gonna give her a smiling expression, which is fine, then don't give her eyes a piercing stare. Give them a squint. To add to that, the skintone needs a change and, like you referenced, the head shape. If you want, I can help you alter the colours of the texture and shit like that. No-one's nailed a Bayley this year, but I don't feel like this is any closer than others have gotten. Don't blow up when people critique, cause those people can help you tons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Who's "blowing up?" I merely replied. Chill. And I didn't add the detail, as I said, that's her actual face, I used a pic as a texture overlay not the face upload feature which doesn't work that well for certain individuals (Bayley, Asuka, Hacksaw, Sid, etc.) Though I did find a really good Sid on PS4 recently that not a lot of people have noticed, I need to find out who did that one and mention him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtegedg Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 As did I, but your first line seemed to imply that you expected some kind of heroes welcome for this attempt, innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Nah, I generally found it amusing. Like I said it's a work in progress, wasn't expecting any "heroes welcome." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Great attire. Face scared the absolute *Censored* outta me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Great attire. Face scared the absolute *Censored* outta me. Same, I think you exaggerated her facial features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Nah, I generally found it amusing. Like I said it's a work in progress, wasn't expecting any "heroes welcome." While there's a nicer way of saying that it needs work, you were incredibly defensive from the get go. You pretty much said "well, it is her face because it's a picture of her face" which really is only half the battle. Also, I can find about 3 more off of the top of my head which resemble her more than this one. By the way, best one this year belongs to Mustacio; hands down. The face is very cartoony at the moment. The features just aren't realistic; smiles aren't that narrow and the eyes are misshapen. It's got some potential for sure, but it just needs to be dialled back a little. The tights look great by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 "incredibly defensive"? C'mon now, I clearly stated in the followup statement that it needed some work. Hyperbole runnin' wild.....unless we're talking about right now as I'm being incredibly defensive about being labeled "incredibly defensive." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtegedg Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 Eh, for the most part I think I misinterpreted your opening bit as just "well I used her face, so how could it not look like her?", so I apologise for any misunderstanding. If you want, I could give you a hand on colouring the texture and general balance of the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted April 17, 2016 Report Share Posted April 17, 2016 I'm not sure what photo you used, but even after you do the necessary morphing I think the laugh lines are going to be way to prominent. I wonder if there's a way to fix that somehow, it's probably something to do with the lighting used in the picture you used, hmm... Attire is spot on though, brilliant looking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celticjobber Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 As others mentioned, the face needs work. But that's still the best Bayley CAW I've seen this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Round two. Better? I need to switch positions in front of the tv next time, she looks chubbier in the pics than what I was seeing in-game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future™ Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 it looks like she intended to make a face expression, which she should'nt be. maybe you should dig more ref pics of her face, especially with a normal expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect 10 Posted April 18, 2016 Report Share Posted April 18, 2016 Round two. Better? I need to switch positions in front of the tv next time, she looks chubbier in the pics than what I was seeing in-game. This looks way better. The only thing throwing it off for me is the mouth. And possibly make the eyes a little more squinted. Bayley doesn't really have large open eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 That's kinda funny given that's actually her face. I used a texture, not the face upload. It needs a bit more structure work, like slimming out the sides and definitely moving the mouth up a bit, but it resembles her more than any CAW I've seen this year given no one ever includes her laugh lines, or makes them bold enough. A normal response would have been "okay, thank you for the suggestions". If you didn't want to accept people's opinions or suggestions then I'm not entirely sure why you even posted it. You posted your CAW onto a public forum and people are entitled to give their feedback. Obviously you think that this CAW is the shit and sadly, no-one else sees it that way which has clearly made you feel defensive. Try being more humble and being open minded about the posibility that your CAW really isn't that good. It can be though, if you listen to the experienced CAW makers on this forum (myself being one of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfgangJT Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 eyebrows look too far from the eyes and the mouth is crooked weird...I''d fix both of those areas on that new one. base eyebrow distance off this: http://wrestlingnews.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/bayley.jpg http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/fighting/vtfgis/picture9384722/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/NXT_10232014ca_4418.jpg http://bayleyfansite.com/images/albums/userpics/10003/pwP0rzosUuY.png btw, her side profile: http://bayleyfansite.com/images/albums/userpics/10003/normal_17139063910_b6ec9a4faf_o.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 That's kinda funny given that's actually her face. I used a texture, not the face upload. It needs a bit more structure work, like slimming out the sides and definitely moving the mouth up a bit, but it resembles her more than any CAW I've seen this year given no one ever includes her laugh lines, or makes them bold enough. A normal response would have been "okay, thank you for the suggestions". If you didn't want to accept people's opinions or suggestions then I'm not entirely sure why you even posted it. You posted your CAW onto a public forum and people are entitled to give their feedback. Obviously you think that this CAW is the shit and sadly, no-one else sees it that way which has clearly made you feel defensive. Try being more humble and being open minded about the posibility that your CAW really isn't that good. It can be though, if you listen to the experienced CAW makers on this forum (myself being one of them). As I said, I wasn't being defensive, I was joking around. Do I think my first attempt was "the shit"? Hell no. I said it needed more work, but I thought it shared the most striking feature which every Bayley character I've seen on PS4 lacked and that's her laugh lines. It was clearly labeled a WIP though and despite what you think, I actually do appreciate and have taken the guy's suggestions and have worked them into improving the face which has already came a long way from my initial version (I'll have a pic up of my current progress tonight). I'm well aware that you rarely knock shit out of the park on the first try, which I know from experience as I'm also a veteran CAW maker. And yeah, as someone pointed out above I tend to over-exaggerate focal elements early on like for instance the laugh lines and then try to dial them back. I don't know if it's because I'm still programmed by the All Stars' creator or what, but it nearly always involves some fine tuning to get it right....or as close as you can. But yeah, if I didn't care what y'all thought, I would've whipped this out... eyebrows look too far from the eyes and the mouth is crooked weird...I''d fix both of those areas on that new one. base eyebrow distance off this: http://wrestlingnews.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/bayley.jpg http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/fighting/vtfgis/picture9384722/ALTERNATES/FREE_960/NXT_10232014ca_4418.jpg http://bayleyfansite.com/images/albums/userpics/10003/pwP0rzosUuY.png btw, her side profile: http://bayleyfansite.com/images/albums/userpics/10003/normal_17139063910_b6ec9a4faf_o.jpg Yeah, I was going for a smirk. It's gone in version three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Round 2 as you call it still needs work (i'm sure you're aware of that of course) but you did great at better blending the laugh lines. I'm looking forward to seeing how it goes as you continue to work at it. also, guys, try to remember that tone doesn't translate well over text. It's likely that you guys might've been feeling as if he was being defensive when he was more likely just taking the piss out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The D Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Gonna' be honest, didn't even read your response.The features are all wonky. The mouth is up in places, down in places.. The eyes don't match at all, the eyebrows are like a squiggly line. Basically, I think you need to take more care on the morphing and actually comparing it to a good reference picture rather than just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shiftygism Posted April 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Gonna be honest, you're a bit of a jerk. But thanks for the pointers though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMike24 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Bayley does have a Young granny face tho lolyea but the mouth needs work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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