Mango kid Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 undertaker will die in the ring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmVD Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daniel Bryan was terrible but Bryan Danielson was great. Ziggler was never worthy of a main event spot. Being a good seller doesn't make him a main eventer. The New Day sucks and will be driven into the ground aoon. The last one makes it sound like a threat. Like you're going to do it, personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 undertaker will die in the ring The hell is wrong with you dude take your meds please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 So i'm watching 2002 PPVs and is it just me or do titles just not seem so important? it might just be because im looking in hindsight but these title matches just dont have the same feeling that i remember from 2005 onwards. I mean the WWE title is changing at basically every PPV.. Idk just looking for input from people who watched WWE regularly in 2002. Nah, titles don't seem important, they prioritize the wrestlers over the title. John Cena main evented many times over WWE champ Punk, and they had Punk lose the WHC by being unable to defend it due to savage beating. Then you have IC and US titles who kept losing matches on the main shows but somehow were able to defend their titles on PPVs, and it took Cena to start bringing credibility back to the US title. If I recall, the IC title main evented when Rock was the champion but now, you don't know if it will be on the pre-show or on the PPV. Most of the titles are treated like jokes or afterthoughts, unless the wrestler/s are supported by WWE (like Cena). Daniel Bryan was terrible but Bryan Danielson was great. Ziggler was never worthy of a main event spot. Being a good seller doesn't make him a main eventer. The New Day sucks and will be driven into the ground aoon. Eh, Daniel Bryan's character was terrible, but in the ring he was still pretty watchable even when I felt he did the same or similar things almost every match. well, if not his character then his booking. Victoria is overrated. Definitely. She was a stand out talent in a pile of shit-division (minus Mickie James), but otherwise just your average wrestler. Wow, *Censored* you guys. Just kidding, but I seriously disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Daniel Bryan was terrible but Bryan Danielson was great. Ziggler was never worthy of a main event spot. Being a good seller doesn't make him a main eventer. The New Day sucks and will be driven into the ground aoon. 1.) Probably not unpopular. 2.) Ziggler is way more than a great seller. 3.) New Day already suck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Carell Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Victoria is overrated. Definitely. She was a stand out talent in a pile of shit-division (minus Mickie James), but otherwise just your average wrestler. Wow, *Censored* you guys. Just kidding, but I seriously disagree. It's untrue in general unless he's referring to the divas division before Victoria left. Otherwise Victoria in her prime was working with dozens of quality talent. Melina, Gail Kim, Trish, Lita, and Molly Holly to name a few other then Mickie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yeah. I'm talking about the Division before Victoria left. And TNA's Knockout division too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yeah i was thinking that (im up to Vengeance now), when Hogan won it, it was about Hogan, not the title, when Undertaker had it, it was about the feud, he just was sort of holding the title while feuding. Yeah it definitely came off as "oh Hogan wants the title again, even though it makes Zero sense". Hogan V Taker as you say had enough history without involving the title. In fact the Heavyweight title seems like a prop for the rest of the year from Vengeance. (which is just before Summerslam I think which basically was booked around Shawn's comeback) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maefteda Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Not having Owens vs Zayn at WM32 is a good decision. For their first match at Mania, it should be in a long feud built up over time and hopefully for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. It also means they can flesh out their feud post-Mania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 ^ My thoughts in the show discussion thread. I know Zayn/Owens for IC title is what everyone wants to see, but Zayn hasn't even been on the main roster for a full month yet. I know they could easily just build up a match for them based off their history in NXT, but I think it would need more a slow build-up over time for an event like WrestleMania. Also, having a multi-man match is a good and easy way to get lesser known/popular guys on the card and prevent them from being left out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Watch them end up having a match at Payback or some shit, loooooooool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That seems very likely. Having Owens and Zayn 1v1 for the title at Mania a month in to his debut would seem rushed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Payback is right after Mania now, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 That seems very likely. Having Owens and Zayn 1v1 for the title at Mania a month in to his debut would seem rushed. I would've been fine with it happening. I want them to face off like, 2 more times at Mania down the line honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Owens vs Zayn for a summer feud over the IC title sounds great to me. Make it Jericho/Benoit style from 2000 as far as longevity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Indeed, the Summerslam build should be more worthwhile than anything tied to WM. Which is awesome...since it's going to be in Brooklyn again. Might have to go if we get some matches involving guys like Owens/Zayn, Styles, Joe, etc. We'll see what the summer holds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Eh, I don't think it'd be rushed, since they're keeping all of their NXT stuff as canon, if you will. They have so much backstory, that you could have easily gone from Sami's redebut into a Mania match using only highlights from the past, let alone any new material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Carlton Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yeah i was thinking that (im up to Vengeance now), when Hogan won it, it was about Hogan, not the title, when Undertaker had it, it was about the feud, he just was sort of holding the title while feuding. Yeah it definitely came off as "oh Hogan wants the title again, even though it makes Zero sense". Hogan V Taker as you say had enough history without involving the title. In fact the Heavyweight title seems like a prop for the rest of the year from Vengeance. (which is just before Summerslam I think which basically was booked around Shawn's comeback) Yeah they had a long amazing brawl between HHH and HBK, then followed it up with a match half the length between Brock and Rock. Which had been build up by history as an amazing crowning moment for Lesner.. but it was half Heyman interfering so canon wise Brock would never have beaten the Rock if it weren't for Paul. Title matches just feel strangely lifeless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsipeus Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 Ryback should have beaten Punk at Hell in a Cell. Is that unpopular? The Miz was a great champion who got reactions but was derailed by a feud with Jerry Lawler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning116 Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 He was derailed by being the third wheel to John Cena and The Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGPLX. Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Yeah i was thinking that (im up to Vengeance now), when Hogan won it, it was about Hogan, not the title, when Undertaker had it, it was about the feud, he just was sort of holding the title while feuding. Yeah it definitely came off as "oh Hogan wants the title again, even though it makes Zero sense". Hogan V Taker as you say had enough history without involving the title. In fact the Heavyweight title seems like a prop for the rest of the year from Vengeance. (which is just before Summerslam I think which basically was booked around Shawn's comeback) Yeah they had a long amazing brawl between HHH and HBK, then followed it up with a match half the length between Brock and Rock. Which had been build up by history as an amazing crowning moment for Lesner.. but it was half Heyman interfering so canon wise Brock would never have beaten the Rock if it weren't for Paul. Title matches just feel strangely lifeless Brock beating Rock for the title five months after debuting is still huge though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Carlton Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Yeah i was thinking that (im up to Vengeance now), when Hogan won it, it was about Hogan, not the title, when Undertaker had it, it was about the feud, he just was sort of holding the title while feuding. Yeah it definitely came off as "oh Hogan wants the title again, even though it makes Zero sense". Hogan V Taker as you say had enough history without involving the title. In fact the Heavyweight title seems like a prop for the rest of the year from Vengeance. (which is just before Summerslam I think which basically was booked around Shawn's comeback) Yeah they had a long amazing brawl between HHH and HBK, then followed it up with a match half the length between Brock and Rock. Which had been build up by history as an amazing crowning moment for Lesner.. but it was half Heyman interfering so canon wise Brock would never have beaten the Rock if it weren't for Paul. Title matches just feel strangely lifeless Brock beating Rock for the title five months after debuting is still huge though. Of course, i'm not denying that, so far that is the match that has given the World Title the most respect. But now watching Lesner vs Undertaker and again, they are really having a personal match that happens to have the title on the line. Seems that the tagline for 2002 could have been "It isn't about titles, this is personal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestInTheWorld614 Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Ryback should have beaten Punk at Hell in a Cell. Is that unpopular? The Miz was a great champion who got reactions but was derailed by a feud with Jerry Lawler. I agree with the Ryback opinion and I am a huge fan of Punk and at the time I didnt want Punk to lose. Ryback was so over with the crowd and it would have been fresh. Ryback should have beat Henry at Mania 29 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 I don't like when WWE makes DVD's of wrestlers careers before their career is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonshaad1230 Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Only WM I really liked outdoors was WM 10, I believe it was. WrestleMania 10 was indoors, WrestleMania IX (9) was outside. Cesar's Palace, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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