Senex Beast Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 I thought only Franklin could do that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 No separate universes because that will just get convoluted and confusing for people who don't understand the cinematic universe thing.Especially when you have them team up or face-off for a random one off movie that doesn't even take place in the MCU? FOX already screwed up their timelines with alt Earths and histories and random team-ups so Marvel/Disney should stray far away from that. The movies don't need to mention the TV shows. they exist in the same universe and thats that. We do not need Captain America and Vision talking about Iron Fist or Jessica Jones. Also it's not a far cry to believe that Nick Fury is still very much in-tune and involved with the happenings of Agents of Shield, we barely see Fury in the movies anyway so we don't need to waste his precious on-screen time with a random nods to a TV show. The Earth and the universe is a big place, all this stuff can happen concurrently without references between them all. It's clear Disney and Marvel have been building this MCU as one big anthology style TV show, they aren't about to create things that take place outside of that because it's going against their 10+ year business model. Especially considering they have only just gotten back huge characters like the X-Men and F4. Also there is no pretending the TV shows take place in the same canon as the movies, they just do. Again, things don't need to be referenced to take place in the same world. There are plenty things happening in other countries that I don't talk about. Even the same country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Posted December 18, 2017 Report Share Posted December 18, 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugj1h6PuK0 Only just seen it now but that's pretty badass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNX Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Also there is no pretending the TV shows take place in the same canon as the movies, they just do. Again, things don't need to be referenced to take place in the same world. There are plenty things happening in other countries that I don't talk about. Even the same country. Well your job isn't to protect the planet from catastrophic events, so why would you need to know what's going on in other countries, especially if they weren't gonna affect you? The Avengers, however, do. They travel the world to keep it safe. Yet, when you have sheeit happening right in Cap's back yard, happening right in the immediate area of Stark Tower, nobody says or does anything. HYDRA is very much an ongoing Cap issue, but the Hive situation jumped onto no one's radar? If Hive had succeeded, that might've been a mess too huge for the Avenger's to clean up. Many, at one once, innocent people would've had to die, not only those who failed terragenesis, but those who completed transformation that are now under Hive control through no fault of their own would have to be put down. So I say "pretend", probably not the best term. Sure, they "are" in theory a part of the Universe by design, but too much has happened in these shows to just ignore. No the movies don't have to mention everything but for the love of Bob mention something. Right now, we just "assume" the Avengers know about all this sheeit, at least the major stuff, but out of everything that happened for Fury, Hill, and Sif to be the only ones to be involved creates this disconnected you'd be crazy to ignore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Am I the only one who thinks the Cap had healthy skepticism in signing the Accords? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 With MCU doing relationships, will Black Panther and Storm(big part in the comics)eventually hook up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Also there is no pretending the TV shows take place in the same canon as the movies, they just do. Again, things don't need to be referenced to take place in the same world. There are plenty things happening in other countries that I don't talk about. Even the same country. Well your job isn't to protect the planet from catastrophic events, so why would you need to know what's going on in other countries, especially if they weren't gonna affect you? The Avengers, however, do. They travel the world to keep it safe. Yet, when you have sheeit happening right in Cap's back yard, happening right in the immediate area of Stark Tower, nobody says or does anything. HYDRA is very much an ongoing Cap issue, but the Hive situation jumped onto no one's radar? If Hive had succeeded, that might've been a mess too huge for the Avenger's to clean up. Many, at one once, innocent people would've had to die, not only those who failed terragenesis, but those who completed transformation that are now under Hive control through no fault of their own would have to be put down. So I say "pretend", probably not the best term. Sure, they "are" in theory a part of the Universe by design, but too much has happened in these shows to just ignore. No the movies don't have to mention everything but for the love of Bob mention something. Right now, we just "assume" the Avengers know about all this sheeit, at least the major stuff, but out of everything that happened for Fury, Hill, and Sif to be the only ones to be involved creates this disconnected you'd be crazy to ignore. Not sure what you're missing. They do exist, in canon, in the same universe. That is canon, it's non negotiable. Whether you feel like they should reference The Defenders is your problem. Who says they don't know them or reference them? We don't see every day in the lives of The Avengers or Shield, so who says Cap hasn't talked about the rumours of the Devil of Hells Kitchen to Falcon? Using this logic Nick Fury and Maria Hill and whoever else in Shield would be constantly communicating with the people in AoS (as they are part of the same organisation) or monitoring Frank Castle, but we don't see every day in their lives either (same with that shows cast.) I can guarantee that Shield know about The Hand or the tradition of the Immortal Iron Fists. I'm sure Dr. Strange and the Sanctum Sanctorum have contact with Kun Lun. We just don't need to see or hear a reference for the hell of it. There is no need for it unless it feeds into the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Very impressed by your fine display of logic Creep. We do not see them every day. The films are each segments of their lifes. Stuff goes on that we dont see. That sums it up perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 I can't tell if that is patronising or not, but whatevz I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Lol no, not really. But I can see how it can be seen as such. It's just refreshing in general to see people who are fans of something use actual logic instead of mindlessly complaining about the logic they seem to think it lacks. What you said is such a simple but obvious answer and I never understood why people think a direct reference to something that may have happened ages ago is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNX Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 Yes, things not being mentioned is my problem. You're absolutely correct Creep. I am right in saying we just have to "assume" these characters are aware of everything because they haven't said otherwise. I'll leave at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 The MCU is too big to reference everything. Like... The only thing on screen connecting the guardians to the Avengers atm is Thanos. And that's totally fine. It's a large world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Yes, things not being mentioned is my problem. You're absolutely correct Creep. I am right in saying we just have to "assume" these characters are aware of everything because they haven't said otherwise. I'll leave at that. No you are wrong again. We dont have to assume they are aware of everything, we just have to assume they are aware of more than what we hear them talk about on screen. There are some likely connections like the Sanctum Sanctorum & Kun Lun, Spiderman has probably heard about The Defenders activity and Nick Fury being colleagues with the AOS crew and Shield more than likely keeping tabs on heightened individuals across the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 I want it to be feburary already. I have big hopes for Black Panther! I feel like he's getting pushed as a major character in the new phases and I sure would support that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 21, 2017 Report Share Posted December 21, 2017 Black Panther will for sure be a major Avenger following Infinity War for a variety of factors; his character just looks cool on screen and his actions scenes can be diverse, if Iron Man takes a step down they will need another benefactor with another endless supply of resources and hey, it doesn't hurt that he is of an ethnic minority. Plus BP is a major comic book character so they would be dumb not to include him in a big way. I guess they can have him and Storm get married now too. Can't wait for that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 Maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 I can see Marvel using that theme in an action scene for a solo film as a nod to the animated show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb ★ Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 *Censored* yes pls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Starting to watch Daredevil today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Have fun, it's a great show. It remains my favourite MCU property so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Mine too. He's one of my top favorite comic heroes and so I'm biased towards him but the show really is great. Black Panther is already my favorite MCU film hero but again, I'm biased as he's one of my favorites as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Finished season 1 and can't wait to watch 2, with the Punisher in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiryuMK Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 How are Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and the Defenders compared to Daredevil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Not as good, maybe apart from JJ. JJ is not an action-heavy show like the others, it's more noire and detective-y. David Tennant is amazing as Kilgrave, possibly my favourite MCU villain. Luke Cage was a solid show, but loses steam toward the end, Iron Fist was a joke and I think many people would consider The Defenders a bit of a disappointment even though I thoroughly enjoyed it from start to finish. I would put The Punisher up there with Daredevil and Jessica Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 I can't comment on MCU Killgrave/Purple Man but my top 3 MCU villains would have to be.. Loki Kingpin Hela Can't comment on Jessie Jones but my top 3 favorite Netflix Marvel shows are defiently.. Daredevil Punisher Luke Cage/Defenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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