Monkey D. Jiggy Posted July 21, 2015 Report Share Posted July 21, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. Who even mentioned either of them? I guess someone doesn't like fact. Better to downplay fact than accept it. ...........*Censored*, shut the *Censored* up and go play in traffic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Hahaha bruh chill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niffan Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Here's my best shot at easing the blow. I haven't seen anybody kick out of a top tope AA and it was after he took a regular AA. He kicked out of a guaranteed match ender and then barely tapped to the STF after struggling for a minute. I know I sound like M3J but I think he has a point. Would I have liked Owens to win? Of course and I still don't understand why he didn't because that was the perfect time, but I definitely don't think Trips is gonna let him die that quickly. I don't call what Owens went through a burial at all. Neither would I call it a burial. It seems that the term differ to a lot of people. Owens has been booked very strong in a consistent way since his NXT debut. At this point he has lost to Cena , who is in current WWEs top five tier, twice. However he has also defeated him clean, which has only been done by a select few, there was no viable excuse for Cena's loss at Elimination Chamber. Even Bryan's victory in 2013 can be excused by the elbow injury Cena had. In the same manner, even Punk's MITB victory can be excused with Cena being "the good guy" who took his attention off of Punk to stop Vince and Big Johnny. When facing Cena, by WWE booking logic, you have to pay the boatman to go over him. Owens did that, and so far the price has been two very clean losses. Even The Rock had to pay a price to go over Cena, as he lost at WM29 and he even passed the torch to him. Don't misunderstand me, I don't agree that this is right, but this is the booking we have to sit through. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is not a burial of Owens, as much as it is standard Cena booking 101. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgiaGod Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be.Who even mentioned either of them? I guess someone doesn't like fact. Better to downplay fact than accept it. ...........*Censored*, shut the *Censored* up and go play in traffic. Yassss! Get him together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be.Who even mentioned either of them? I guess someone doesn't like fact. Better to downplay fact than accept it. ...........*Censored*, shut the *Censored* up and go play in traffic. Destroy his ass, my *Censored* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitbreak Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. Who even mentioned either of them? I guess someone doesn't like fact. Better to downplay fact than accept it. ...........*Censored*, shut the *Censored* up and go play in traffic. absolutely evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 To me, Owens tapping is a double-edged sword. On one hand it is the most clean way Cena could've possibly beat him, and everyone and their grandmother has endured the STF as of late. On the other hand, this is a much needed reinforcement of the STFs credibility, because it made a guy as tough as Kevin Owens tap out. And let's not kid ourselves, he endured a top rope AA and regular AAs beforehand, which is a testament to his toughness. I don't understand why he had to take another clean loss, but he DID lose with style. STFU's credibility isn't reinforced given it took a middle-rope FU and having to pull Owens back away from the rope in a third attempt to make him tap out. It wasn't a burial, I agree, but Cena going over for no reason wasn't much better. I think Owens will bounce back and Triple H won't let him go down, but the way they book Cena is plain infuriating. It's the same tune and dance with him every time, his opponents look strong going against him but he keeps needlessly going over and they do end up suffering at the end of the day, even if it isn't the intention. Not to mention, Vince's hard-on for Cena overpowers any decision which has him losing a feud for once, every single time. Agreed 100%. There was no need for him to be a superhero against Bray or even win cleanly, just as there is no reason for him to go 2-1 against Owens. It wasn't a TOP ROPE A.A, it was a MID ROPE A.A and John Cena kicked out of an A.A, survived an STF, kicked out of a pop-up powerbomb from the TOP ROPE AFTER JUMPING and then another pop-up powerbomb. Cena endure a ton more punishment than John Cena, did anyone else notice John Cena acting as security with Kevin Owens when they were breaking up Brock and 'Taker last night? No. Because, the only talent that participated in that are talents Vince don't consider main event caliber. If you don't think Kevin Owens is buried, then you're as delusional as Vince McMahon. Owens kicked out of a mid-rope FU, kicked out of an FU or two, and survived an STFU two times before he was locked in the third time, right after getting a souped-up finisher. Owens endured as much punishment as Cena, and he is far from buried. His losses have been due to immense punishment Cena meted out. tapping out to a submission finisher after a more powered version of regular finisher is not bad at all, especially after the second attempt at said submission within five seconds and no escape. Plus, how many people have lost to their stolen finishers? Only time I remember is the Montreal Screwjob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Owens is the only man to kick outta the avalanche AA. I'm 98% sure of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning116 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Owens is the only man to kick outta the avalanche AA. I'm 98% sure of that Yeah. I don't think anyone's ever kicked out of that thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk-3:16 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 By that standard, Cena already lost the match after a top rope pop-up powerbomb and a second pop-up powerbomb. And, I don't expect Cena to lose after being hit with his own finishers, but that doesn't make his finishers magically weaker. They're the same dumb moves, especially that dumb looking submission. You can either accept the fact that Kevin Owens is stuck in the mid-card, or you can remain delusional and hope he'll get a run at the WWE WHC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgiaGod Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 I am loving all this shade! My God, I can't! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 It wasn't a burial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Kevin Owens has been wrestling on the main roster for what, 2 months...and you're already saying he's "stuck in the midcard"? Go jump in a lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. NXT Bo Dallas was GOAT and could main event against Cena if he wanted. This is true. Sheamus is midcard at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk-3:16 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. NXT Bo Dallas was GOAT and could main event against Cena if he wanted. This is true. Sheamus is midcard at best. Yeah... no. If half the NXT roster was as good as Sheamus, the show would be more entertaining. Other then that, they still need to change the ring mat from black to white. The yellow ropes would disappear nicely into the white mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgiaGod Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Sheamus is trash currently. What are you even talking about? Like, bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. NXT Bo Dallas was GOAT and could main event against Cena if he wanted. This is true. Sheamus is midcard at best. Yeah... no. If half the NXT roster was as good as Sheamus, the show would be more entertaining. Other then that, they still need to change the ring mat from black to white. The yellow ropes would disappear nicely into the white mat. Lmfao this guy's sorry ass needs to be hit with a burning banhammer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostalgiaGod Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 Yes please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk-3:16 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Share Posted July 22, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be. NXT Bo Dallas was GOAT and could main event against Cena if he wanted. This is true. Sheamus is midcard at best. Yeah... no. If half the NXT roster was as good as Sheamus, the show would be more entertaining. Other then that, they still need to change the ring mat from black to white. The yellow ropes would disappear nicely into the white mat. Lmfao this guy's sorry ass needs to be hit with a burning banhammer For having an opinion that doesn't match your opinion? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classiq. Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 The latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter has provided speculation and backstage news on why Kevin Owens was booked to lose at WWE Battleground on July 19. Owens lost his second straight match with John Cena for the United States Championship, and his third big match in 30 days at the Pay-Per-View. Fans took to social media to express their displeasure with Cena going over on Owens at Battleground, complaining about the fact that they believe, Cena is never going to let any new comer beat him in a program. However, as Dave Meltzer describes, it likely didnt have anything to do with the company not wanting to use Owens as a featured superstar on the main roster, but that maybe they do not completely believe he is special enough to protect him. Meltzer writes, It [battleground] was really promoted as a two match show. John Cena and Kevin Owens once again stole the show inside the ring, with each kicking out of the others finishers until Cena made him submit to the STF. The submission was Owens third straight major show loss, with his loss to Cena and his NXT title loss to Finn Balor. While he is clearly a main roster star, the idea hes something special and a protected headliner was out the window with that finish. The fact he wasnt protected from being a face in the crowd in the pull-apart brawl on Raw says the same thing. Given that the direction they were headed was Cena challenging for the title on the next major show, his winning strong makes sense. But there was no reason he had to beat Owens again right now, as they could have held things off or done a finish that wasnt a clean submission to better protect Owens. Cena didnt even need the second win over Owens to be a viable title contender, and they could have saved the first match for a time down the line. In a way, the Cena booking is like the Divas division. The company knows it has to transition, wants to, but cant make changes. The dynamic is different, because unlike the womens division, Cena is still the big money full-time draw in the company even if Lesnar and Undertaker right now are completely outshining everyone as stars, and thus you do have to protect Cenas spot until you find a new Cena, and Reigns hasnt been that guy. Using the money guy in the position to make new stars, while at the same time protecting him to where he has to go over at the end, mitigates the value of the new stars he makes if he has to beat them when all is said and done. Instead of making new needle moving stars, they make more upper midcard stars, and theyve got the largest roster of midcarders in history. And thats one of the reasons when a big show comes, they have to bring people in from the outside to make it a big deal. Aside from Cena (and Batista, who drew big at certain points), they havent successfully been able to make a new true top guy, and Cena was made a decade ago. WWE Hall of Famer Stone Cold Steve Austin and PWTorch.coms Wade Keller, who are both extremely behind Owens as a superstar with main event potential, also discussed his loss at Battleground on the latest edition of The Steve Austin Show, and both men claimed that Cena winning the match was the right call for the company. Keller argued that if Owens had immediately conquered Cena in his first feud, there would be no other viable competitors for him to work programs with, besides possibly Brock Lesnar, who is currently positioned as the No. 2 babyface in the company. Cena is, and has been for the last 10 years, positioned as the No. 1 babyface. If Owens defeats Cena in his first program on the main roster, theres no where to go but down for the guy as far as competitors. The loss gives him a chance to be a sour heel, go on a path of destruction, and work his way back up the card. Owens will still be featured heavily on the main roster, despite what early rumors Monday claimed, as Triple H and a slew of other officials love his mic work and in-ring ability, while others that are considered to be Vince McMahons right-hand men feel otherwise. Owens is expected to work a match at SummerSlam on Aug. 23 with Cesaro, as well as the main event at NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn on Aug. 22 in an NXT Championship rematch against Finn Bálor. http://www.wrestlingrumors.net/backstage-news-on-why-kevin-owens-was-booked-to-lose-at-wwe-battleground/37223/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 By that standard, Cena already lost the match after a top rope pop-up powerbomb and a second pop-up powerbomb. And, I don't expect Cena to lose after being hit with his own finishers, but that doesn't make his finishers magically weaker. They're the same dumb moves, especially that dumb looking submission. You can either accept the fact that Kevin Owens is stuck in the mid-card, or you can remain delusional and hope he'll get a run at the WWE WHC. Cena should have lost the match after that catch powerbomb, and it's ridiculous he didn't. But yeah, it apparently does make finishers weaker when someone else uses it. How many people have won using someone else's finisher? DDT doesn't even end the match for anyone but Jake, it takes variations of DDTs for that. Or you can look up the definition of burial and realize that Owens was not buried. He still looks strong because the *censored*er kicked out of two or three finishers and didn't tap until he was trapped. That's the opposite of a burial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 What is there not to get? Sheamus is much more of a main event star than Ziggles and Dallas ever will be.NXT Bo Dallas was GOAT and could main event against Cena if he wanted. This is true. Sheamus is midcard at best. Yeah... no. If half the NXT roster was as good as Sheamus, the show would be more entertaining. Other then that, they still need to change the ring mat from black to white. The yellow ropes would disappear nicely into the white mat. Lmfao this guy's sorry ass needs to be hit with a burning banhammer For having an opinion that doesn't match your opinion? xD You made it seem as if your "opinion" was more of a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning116 Posted July 23, 2015 Report Share Posted July 23, 2015 I know Meltzer's not well liked around here but I couldn't help but agree with him. Austin, I get what he's saying but he seems to forget about this company's track record when it comes to making new stars. It's not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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