Gooner Lad Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Since 2010, it could be argued that (being in a feud with) John Cena has done more harm to most wrestler's progressions than it has helped anyone. The Nexus: When the Nexus debuted on Raw and attacked John Cena, it was one of the best things that happened on the show in quite some time. A group of new-ish faces went straight to the top by attacking the main guy and appeared to establish themselves as the new big thing in the WWE. However, as the feud went on the Nexus ensemble of Wade Barrett, Darren Young, Skip Sheffield, Michael Tarver, Justin Gabriel and Heath Slater were no match for SuperCena, and he often was able to take them all on single-handedly. He made them (namely Gabriel and Barrett) look useless at SummerSlam 2010 and he made Barrett look like a loser on several occasions (see TLC 2010). Wade looked like a future World champion as Nexus leader, but the way the whole storyline unfolded set him back big time as a potential main eventer in my opinion. The Awesome Truth: Both as a team and individually (not that much for R-Truth), losing to Cena set these guys back as well. With R-Truth, after he lost to Cena at Capitol Punishment 2011, he was basically back to being a midcarder after about a month of main event status opposing John Cena. But then again, R-Truth's main event stint only ever was a short-term gig by the looks of it so that wasn't too big of a deal. What happened to the Miz was a different story though. Since losing the WWE title to Cena, the Miz has never looked close to maybe nearly almost being the WWE Champion again. At Over the Limit 2011, when Cena overcame the Miz (AND Alex Riley) in an I Quit match, the Miz was effectively kicked out of the main event scene. Likewise, his team with R-Truth was made to look pretty useless against Cena (and the Rock, who put the Miz down quite a few times throughout that year as well) when they feuded again towards the end of the year. The Miz was always an afterthought in everything that happened between the Rock and Cena. Alberto Del Rio: After finally winning the World championship at SummerSlam 2011, Del Rio defended his title for the first time on PPV at Night of Champions the next month against John Cena. Del Rio lost the match and the title, barely one month after just winning it. Del Rio won it back a few weeks later at Hell in a Cell, but the hot-potatoing of the WWE Championship did nothing to establish Del Rio has a legit main eventer. I think the problem here was the WWE wanted to do a feud between Cena and Del Rio which would last a couple of months (and about three pay-per-views) but they're so resistant to having Cena not beating everyone who faces him and Del Rio suffered as a result. Their 2013 feud did Del Rio no favours either; Cena beat Del Rio for the World Heavyweight Championship and not once did Del Rio look like Cena's equal or that he could beat him. Cena made the cross armbreaker look like crap to when he always lifted the whole of Alberto up with one freaking up. After that, Del Rio was definately kicked out of the main event scene. Ryback: As a face, Ryback was doing pretty well in late 2012/early 2013. The fans liked him and seemed to accept he could be a main eventer in his feud with CM Punk. Then, out of nowhere, Ryback turns heel on Cena. Why did that happen? Cena needed fresh blood, I guess. Forget that Ryback was over as a babyface, let's turn him and have him lose to Cena. Ryback lost a lot of momentum because of all this (namely, turning heel in the first place). Damien Sandow: I'm not saying Sandow needed to beat Cena when he cashed in Money in the Bank in 2013, but you can still make a wrestler look good in defeat. Cena can't, and Sandow entered Loserville after coming up short against Cena. It even seemed to kill his intellectual saviour gimmick as well... Bray Wyatt: The Wyatt Family were a new and interesting bunch of characters led by Bray Wyatt. In a way, they were a bit like the Nexus and Wade Barrett in that respect. So then, it was no surprise they fell the same way as the Nexus did to Cena when Cena won his feud over the Wyatt Family. Bray really didn't come out well in this feud with Cena at all. For a start, the feud at first was about Bray trying to corrupt Cena and having him embrace his dark side. That Cena never did made Bray's influential aura look limp, that Bray was basically all bullsh*t and no trousers. Then, Bray's only victory came from Extreme Rules in a Steel Cage match. Bray didn't pin Cena, he only got the victory via escaping the cage. And the finish was so screwy it looked more like Cena lost to that stupid child than he did Wyatt. Bray looked so useless in this feud, and I personally think he's yet to recover from this either... Rusev: Forget going into this in detail, this post has been long enough as it is. All I'll say is they built Rusev up as a monster, undefeated and all. And in the end, they decide to end the streak with Cena (who never needed it). Now, Rusev is still feuding with Cena, but when it ends Rusev will be without a championship, his undefeated streak, possibly Lana and most likely his monster heel presence (he's losing that already). It seems every year Cena is putting down new faces instead of helping them rise to the top of card. No one gets a rub out of working with Cena, in the end they always seem somewhat ruined afterwards. So what I'm asking is: is this Cena's fault? He's not the one who booked all of this crap (Nexus aside...) so maybe the finger of blame should be pointed at creative, but why is that unless people are well established beforehand, how come losing to Cena does so much more harm than good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's not so much the fact that they lose the match (many top guys have lost to Cena and stayed relevant), it's just the fashion in which they lose and the booking that follows. They spend all this time building up these guys to be legit (Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev being 3 of the best examples) and then eventually they enter a feud with the progression brick wall known as Cena. It's usually Cena who wins the first match cleanly. Then the second match is won by the heel cheating/using interference/some other bullshit. Then they have Cena win the third match to decide the feud, and then the heel is just tossed aside after being made to look like a joke. Seriously... someone should tell the WWE that Cena is able to lose and he will still draw a shit load... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's almost as if they build them up to be so legit for the sole purpose that Cena eventually going over them would make Cena look like a million bucks... when, in reality, people hate the living hell out of him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustacio Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Rusev losing to Cena was the worst - Cena had nothing to gain and Rusev had everything to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Me and every other viewer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirky Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's almost as if they build them up to be so legit for the sole purpose that Cena eventually going over them would make Cena look like a million bucks... when, in reality, people hate the living hell out of him for that. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised dude. As soon as Cena hasn't picked up a big win in a while or is looking for a new opponent after he's just finished a feud, they just look for the most credible person that can easily be disposed of and won't really have much effect on the overall show if they suddenly got buried and pushed aside. It's just dumb though. Every single time, I bet it's like "Oh, Rusev has been undefeated for a long time and I think it's time for someone to beat him and get the rub of beating the mean foreigner... who should we have beat him? Jack Swagger? Nah. Sheamus? Nah. Cesaro? Nah. Cena? Ooooh... that's an interesting idea that everyone wants to see. He clearly needs the win. Yeah, let's go with that". I mean *censored*ing hell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted... Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The topic title makes him seem like a rapist, or murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Rusev losing to Cena was the worst - Cena had nothing to gain and Rusev had everything to lose. There's still hope for Rusev...but I use that term loosely. I think we all expect Cena to win that "I Quit" match...since, you know..."Never Give Up" is his slogan. It would be amazing if we were all wrong though. Maybe Rusev is the chosen one to end John's career. Dude has slowed down noticeably in the ring lately...and "I Quit" matches have been used in the literal sense in the past, for someone to quit the company. But yeah...that ain't happening. We shouldn't bother even thinking that way, tbh. The topic title makes him seem like a rapist, or murderer. He's both. He rapes legacies and murders careers. And now they're training Roman Reigns to take over for him. Why do you think his slogan is "I can and I will"? That's for the rape. "No, Roman...please. You can't!" ... "I can, and I will!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twisted... Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Rusev losing to Cena was the worst - Cena had nothing to gain and Rusev had everything to lose. There's still hope for Rusev...but I use that term loosely. I think we all expect Cena to win that "I Quit" match...since, you know..."Never Give Up" is his slogan. It would be amazing if we were all wrong though. Maybe Rusev is the chosen one to end John's career. Dude has slowed down noticeably in the ring lately...and "I Quit" matches have been used in the literal sense in the past, for someone to quit the company. But yeah...that ain't happening. We shouldn't bother even thinking that way, tbh. The topic title makes him seem like a rapist, or murderer. He's both. He rapes legacies and murders careers. And now they're training Roman Reigns to take over for him. Why do you think his slogan is "I can and I will"? That's for the rape. "No, Roman...please. You can't!" ... "I can, and I will!" I *censored*ing love your sense of humour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 John Cena the character is one of the worst booked wrestlers *censored*ing ever. He is a pandering, merchandise shilling, delusional Babyface who never changes but every year has a feud with the flavor of the month. That flavor of the month then proceeds to lose everything that made people love them and after the feud is over, which Cena ALWAYS wins, they are left looking less unique, less credible and much less of a wrestler that they were going into the feud. There are a few exceptions like Punk, Bryan and Ziggler but majority that feud with Cena come out looking way worse which is the exact opposite of what a feud with the top guy in the company should be. This is a problem but WWE don't see it that way which at this point is mind numbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 John Cena the character is one of the worst booked wrestlers *censored*ing ever. He is a pandering, merchandise shilling, delusional Babyface who never changes but every has a feud with the flavor of the month. That flavor of the month then proceeds to lose everything that made people love them and after the feud is over, which Cena ALWAYS wins, they are left looking less unique, less credible and much less of a wrestler that they were. There are a few exceptions like Punk, Bryan and Ziggler but majority that feud with Cena come out looking way worse which is the exact opposite if what a feud with the top guy in the company should be. This is a problem but WWE don't see it. Perfectly stated, tbh. If I was trying to explain the legacy of John Cena to someone, this quote would serve perfectly to do so. I swear, it's going to be night and day when Cena retires. People are going to actually start getting over, and Vince will probably be too delusional to even understand what's changed. And they might have Reigns in a similar role as Cena...but I don't think his matches have the same effect on his opponents that Cena does. Probably because deep down, Cena is a horrible human being. He intentionally wants to stop other people from rising to the top. Whereas, I don't think Reigns cares who is on the top with him, as long as he's also there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Honestly, growing up in a wrestling family, I can't imagine Reigns would actually go there and be like "Well, I'll still be a top guy but I want to destroy these right there. Oh, what's that? Two of the biggest stars ever advised me to take a loose right there? One that wouldn't even affect me at all beyond maybe a few weeks? Nah, *Censored* them." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestInTheWorld614 Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The difference between Reigns also is that he came up in a group. He had Rollins and Ambrose making the climb with him so he is used to sharing the spotlight. Cena, from day one was pushed as a huge solo act and over time he has gotten nervous about someone creeping in on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future™ Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Umaga The topic title makes him seem like a rapist, or murderer.well he did kill and *censored*ed people's career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 This has basically been accepted for years. People shit themselves when reports come out that their guy is gonna feud with Cena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think the real Cena is a horrible person, but I highly doubt he's the selfless benevolent loving and caring every-day hero that the WWE and certain fans would have us believe. Do I think he purposely throws up and comers under the bus to bolster himself?.... honestly, yeah, I do. He's got the power to say no, but he's perfectly fine with throwing the next generation down to make himself stay somewhat relevant. Then of course, you have the whole Tyler Reks fiasco, but I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I don't think the real Cena is a complete asshole but its like anybody else who's on top. Would you want to give up that position? No even though signs point that you probably should, no one will be willing to give up their spot willingly. Hogan was famous for that shit so Cenas not doing anything new. Cena seems like a decent person but its just the character that is flat out horrible and that IMO is all the fault of the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustacio Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 They've come tantilizingly close to "Cena snaps" a few times. Those have always been my favorite moments with him. But usually he gets all respectful and benevolent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Comfort Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I think Cena gets a bad rap for not putting people over. Cena gets the same top face push that Hogan, Austin, and Rock all had in the past. It is just that Cena has had a longer reign at the top than they have. In spite of that, none of those guys were ever made to look as weak as Cena. Ask yourself, when was Hogan, Austin, and the Rock ever called old and past it (while all were still in their main runs) and then lose to a midcarder on a PPV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Don't know about Hogan but Austin and Rock at least lost to a shitload of up and coming stars at one point or another. I can't remember the last time Cena lost clean via pinfall. I actually think it was to Brock at Summerslam lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rosh Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 You only go over Cena in a feud if WWE really want to push you to the top of the mountain. My belief is WWE has high hopes for these guys as heels (Rusev, Wyatt, Barrett, Umaga) but they almost lose their 'mystique/legitimacy' once Cena beats them, and WWE decide to de-push them because they're not completely over anymore. Basically, there's a lack of long term planning when it comes to building new stars and it shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Hell Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The topic title makes him seem like a rapist, or murderer. Well he pretty much murdered several superstars's careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 It's not so much the fact that they lose the match (many top guys have lost to Cena and stayed relevant), it's just the fashion in which they lose and the booking that follows. They spend all this time building up these guys to be legit (Ryback, Wyatt, Rusev being 3 of the best examples) and then eventually they enter a feud with the progression brick wall known as Cena. It's usually Cena who wins the first match cleanly. Then the second match is won by the heel cheating/using interference/some other bullshit. Then they have Cena win the third match to decide the feud, and then the heel is just tossed aside after being made to look like a joke. Seriously... someone should tell the WWE that Cena is able to lose and he will still draw a shit load... basically this. You can't build up someone, have him lose to Cena, and then book him poorly. Top guys can take losses, and they'd still get booked well, but someone like ADR or Sandow, whose booking isn't good in the first place, won't benefit at all from losin to Cena. Look at what happened to Bray. Entered the feud red hot, did well, but wrestlin against Cena he constantly looked weak. Once they had their final match, the feud ended out of the blue with Bray getting no retribution and entering a crappy feud with Jericho. This also indirectly hurt Daniel because where he had trouble against the Wyatts, Cena was doing well against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitbreak Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 When somebody loses a feud, they lose steam. That's an inevitability. It's creative's responsibility to book them accordingly, so that they're able to pick themselves back up afterwards. For that reason, it's silly that creative gives up on a wrestler just because they lost against somebody that is barely booked to lose. That's why there are so many "victims". It's quite *censored*ed up, really. I can't blame Cena for it, either. The thing is, Cena can go over anybody he wants without them being booked to shit. Nobody has to win their feud with Cena to be booked properly afterwards. The sad fact, however, is that a LOT of people are suddenly dropped on their asses as soon as they lose against Cena. It's become a curse of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XavMashes Posted May 2, 2015 Report Share Posted May 2, 2015 Ryback was hated since the beginning. At least the latin american fanbase criticized him because of "trying to be a penca Goldberg ripoff" and "beating some jobbers and getting a WWE title shot against my idol el chingón CM Punk". I swear I was the only one defending Ryback at that point. But yeah, Cena killed the little mometum he had left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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