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#41 King RyderFan

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:12 PM


We've got HRF defending Ryder like mad, we've got generations being needlessly antagonistic, and we've got a hashtag that sorry, just isn't gonna work.
 
Kay.

 
Might not work*

Bit too optimistic my man, as much as I like Zack, I doubt the hashtag's gonna work. Feel free to try and prove me wrong though.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:12 PM

 

Look, man (HawkinsRyderFan)...we all know that you're a fanboy. You can't see objectively. We get it. Still, if Ryder was wronged by anyone, he was wronged by himself for failing to change with the times. Let's say that he has been kept down under his current gimmick...then why keep it? Why not take drastic measures and become a more serious performer? Why not ask to be sent to NXT? There are steps he could begin to take that might help him change his future. Yet, he takes none of them. In my book, that's his fault. 

Because there was no need for him to change his gimmick. It is what made him a crowd favourite. It's the gimmick that actually worked. Not the Edgehead, not the Major Brother. The Ryder Revolution is what made Ryder a success.

 

 

Wait, you mean that when he was a rookie in a tag team, that didn't put him over? Go figure. Of course his singles career is what got him a following. But that doesn't make everything black and white. He got over as a goofy comedy character...which is great for getting a spot here or there in the lower mid-card and getting a strong fan response. His overness fell off when he actually obtained the US title, because people realized that he didn't cut it as a champion.

 

 People are entertained by Curtis Axel right now. He gets a relatively strong pop for his antics. Would you begin to suggest that people would be behind an Axelmania championship reign? Because that's the exact same situation. For all of the entertainment value, people would still prefer a legitimate champion to a joke champion.


Edited by Generations, 27 March 2015 - 08:14 PM.


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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:14 PM


 


We've got HRF defending Ryder like mad, we've got generations being needlessly antagonistic, and we've got a hashtag that sorry, just isn't gonna work.
 
Kay.

 
Might not work*
 
 
Yeah, like #cancelwwenetwork, or #givedivasachance.
 
 
Hashtags don't do shit in the wrestling world.

To be fair, the second one has made a slight difference. The divas are now actually getting promos and lomger matches now than before the hashtag.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:15 PM

Divas have been having occasional promos and longer matches every now and then

 

and?

 

I am just going to leave with this. It's inevitable that Ryder is going to get released, even JTG did eventually. Budget cuts and all that, not because of some hashtag. He might do better in TNA, Indies, or whatever, but I really don't care. In TNA, he is going to become Zachary Rider and get 3 world title reigns in a span of 4 years. Or just have a forgettable stint on the indies. Don't care either way. I stand by this video is pointless



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:15 PM

 

 

 

We've got HRF defending Ryder like mad, we've got generations being needlessly antagonistic, and we've got a hashtag that sorry, just isn't gonna work.
 
Kay.

 
Might not work*
 
 
Yeah, like #cancelwwenetwork, or #givedivasachance.
 
 
Hashtags don't do shit in the wrestling world.

To be fair, the second one has made a slight difference. The divas are now actually getting promos and lomger matches now than before the hashtag.

 

 

For now. Give it a month or two and it'll be back to being don't show, don't tell.

 

And even then, I think it only got the traction it did because of AJ Lee's little... contribution to it.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:16 PM

 

 

Look, man (HawkinsRyderFan)...we all know that you're a fanboy. You can't see objectively. We get it. Still, if Ryder was wronged by anyone, he was wronged by himself for failing to change with the times. Let's say that he has been kept down under his current gimmick...then why keep it? Why not take drastic measures and become a more serious performer? Why not ask to be sent to NXT? There are steps he could begin to take that might help him change his future. Yet, he takes none of them. In my book, that's his fault. 

Because there was no need for him to change his gimmick. It is what made him a crowd favourite. It's the gimmick that actually worked. Not the Edgehead, not the Major Brother. The Ryder Revolution is what made Ryder a success.

 

 

Wait, you mean that when he was a rookie in a tag team, that didn't put him over? Go figure. Of course his singles career is what got him a following. But that doesn't make everything black and white. He got over as a goofy comedy character...which is great for getting a spot here or there in the lower mid-card and getting a strong fan response. His overness fell off when he actually obtained the US title, because people realized that he didn't cut it as a champion.

 

 People are entertained by Curtis Axel right now. He gets a relatively strong pop for his antics. Would you begin to suggest that people would be behind an Axelmania championship reign? Because that's the exact same situation. For all of the entertainment value, people would still prefer a legitimate champion to a joke champion.

 

 

He can definately pull off a more serious gimmick though.

 


 



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:16 PM

Whether he can or can't isn't the question. He hasn't. 



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:17 PM

 

 

Look, man (HawkinsRyderFan)...we all know that you're a fanboy. You can't see objectively. We get it. Still, if Ryder was wronged by anyone, he was wronged by himself for failing to change with the times. Let's say that he has been kept down under his current gimmick...then why keep it? Why not take drastic measures and become a more serious performer? Why not ask to be sent to NXT? There are steps he could begin to take that might help him change his future. Yet, he takes none of them. In my book, that's his fault. 

Because there was no need for him to change his gimmick. It is what made him a crowd favourite. It's the gimmick that actually worked. Not the Edgehead, not the Major Brother. The Ryder Revolution is what made Ryder a success.

 

 

Wait, you mean that when he was a rookie in a tag team, that didn't put him over? Go figure. Of course his singles career is what got him a following. But that doesn't make everything black and white. He got over as a goofy comedy character...which is great for getting a spot here or there in the lower mid-card and getting a strong fan response. His overness fell off when he actually obtained the US title, because people realized that he didn't cut it as a champion.

Reactions calmed down because his journey to the US title was finally over.

Same happened with Daniel Bryan and the WWE Championship.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:20 PM

Reactions calmed down because his journey to the US title was finally over.

 

 

Same happened with Daniel Bryan and the WWE Championship.

 

 

The comparison of Ryder and Bryan is one that really needs to stop. It's laughable. 

 

Bryan is still over as *Censored*. You'll witness that on Sunday.


Edited by Generations, 27 March 2015 - 08:20 PM.


#50 King RyderFan

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:21 PM


 


Look, man (HawkinsRyderFan)...we all know that you're a fanboy. You can't see objectively. We get it. Still, if Ryder was wronged by anyone, he was wronged by himself for failing to change with the times. Let's say that he has been kept down under his current gimmick...then why keep it? Why not take drastic measures and become a more serious performer? Why not ask to be sent to NXT? There are steps he could begin to take that might help him change his future. Yet, he takes none of them. In my book, that's his fault. 

Because there was no need for him to change his gimmick. It is what made him a crowd favourite. It's the gimmick that actually worked. Not the Edgehead, not the Major Brother. The Ryder Revolution is what made Ryder a success.
 
 
Wait, you mean that when he was a rookie in a tag team, that didn't put him over? Go figure. Of course his singles career is what got him a following. But that doesn't make everything black and white. He got over as a goofy comedy character...which is great for getting a spot here or there in the lower mid-card and getting a strong fan response. His overness fell off when he actually obtained the US title, because people realized that he didn't cut it as a champion.
 
 People are entertained by Curtis Axel right now. He gets a relatively strong pop for his antics. Would you begin to suggest that people would be behind an Axelmania championship reign? Because that's the exact same situation. For all of the entertainment value, people would still prefer a legitimate champion to a joke champion.

His overness fell off because he was shoved off the stage wheelchair bound by Kane, got kicked in the nuts by Eve, had his internet show taken away and was then taken off TV. His being US champion had nothing to do with it. As for Axel? I've seen people on here wanting him to win the Andre Battle Royal two nights from now.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:22 PM

Whether he can or can't isn't the question. He hasn't. 

 

Are you serious? This isn't about what he has done in the past, its about what he can do.

 

Why don't you just leave the topic if you disagree so much.

 

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:22 PM

Yes...the people all realized that they didn't want to chant for Ryder because he was shoved off stage in a wheel chair and kicked in the nuts. That is an active imagination you have there.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:24 PM

 

Whether he can or can't isn't the question. He hasn't. 

 

Are you serious? This isn't about what he has done in the past, its about what he can do.

 

Why don't you just leave the topic if you disagree so much.

 

... Some people.

 

 

Oh, so you want a topic with only people who agree with you?

 

That's not quite what a forum is mate :)



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:26 PM

 

 

Whether he can or can't isn't the question. He hasn't. 

 

Are you serious? This isn't about what he has done in the past, its about what he can do.

 

Why don't you just leave the topic if you disagree so much.

 

... Some people.

 

 

Oh, so you want a topic with only people who agree with you?

 

That's not quite what a forum is mate :)

 

 

I'm all for free speech, but this guy is just ignorant.



#55 King RyderFan

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:31 PM


Reactions calmed down because his journey to the US title was finally over.
 
 
Same happened with Daniel Bryan and the WWE Championship.
 

 
The comparison of Ryder and Bryan is one that really needs to stop. It's laughable. 
 
Bryan is still over as *Censored*. You'll witness that on Sunday.

It's not laughable. Both have been screwed over repeatdly by WWE. Only difference is Bryan was allowed to pick himself up with a Bray Wyatt feud and only took a few Shield beatings, Ryder on the other hand was made to look like an idiot on a weekly basis, from chasing Eve when she had kissed another dude right in front of him and acting surprised when she cost him his match and then hit in the nuts at 'Mania to getting flung off the stage wheelchair bound by Kane, and then only getting SuperStars matches.

Yes...the people all realized that they didn't want to chant for Ryder because he was shoved off stage in a wheel chair and kicked in the nuts. That is an active imagination you have there.


How about adding in the weekly Kane beatings, on top of chasing Eve when she had made out with John Cena right in front of Zack? You'd be surprised how f-word casuals are. They also took him off RAW for several months as well, only giving him SuperStars, where any pro-Ryder pops and chants could easily be edited out.

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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:31 PM

 

Reactions calmed down because his journey to the US title was finally over.

 

 

Same happened with Daniel Bryan and the WWE Championship.

 

 

The comparison of Ryder and Bryan is one that really needs to stop. It's laughable. 

 

Bryan is still over as *Censored*. You'll witness that on Sunday.

 

Daniel Bryan is still champion?



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:36 PM

 

 

I'm all for free speech, but this guy is just ignorant.

 

 

Ignorant, why? Because I see what actually happened with Zack Ryder at face value? Because I can view the situation objectively and see that the same thing happened to him that has happened to countless others in the profession? That I don't need to blame others for his shortcomings or make up stories or excuses for his absence from the main roster?


Daniel Bryan is still champion?

 

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being champion forever was how we judged the success of a given character. I'm pretty sure Bryan never stopped being cheered, receives applause every time he is on television, has a match at Wrestlemania (for a championship), and is a different person entirely from one "Zack Ryder". 



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:36 PM

 

 

 

I'm all for free speech, but this guy is just ignorant.

 

 

Ignorant, why? Because I see what actually happened with Zack Ryder at face value? Because I can view the situation objectively and see that the same thing happened to him that has happened to countless others in the profession? That I don't need to blame others for his shortcomings or make up stories or excuses for his absence from the main roster?

 

 

You are basing your arguement on what he has been doing, when this topic is clearly about what he can do in the future.

 

You also replied to a video of him trying to be more serious, with a comment saying he hasn't tried. If thats not ignorance I don't know what is.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:39 PM

 


You are basing your arguement on what he has been doing, when this topic is clearly about what he can do in the future.

 

 

Wrong, I'm responding to the claim that he has been somehow held back or wronged by others. I cannot judge what he is capable of in the future, as I do not know what the future holds. Mojo Rawley could be a 20 time world champion in the future. I don't care to discuss things that are likely to never happen.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 08:40 PM


 
 
I'm all for free speech, but this guy is just ignorant.
 

 
Ignorant, why? Because I see what actually happened with Zack Ryder at face value? Because I can view the situation objectively and see that the same thing happened to him that has happened to countless others in the profession? That I don't need to blame others for his shortcomings or make up stories or excuses for his absence from the main roster?

Daniel Bryan is still champion?

 
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that being champion forever was how we judged the success of a given character. I'm pretty sure Bryan never stopped being cheered, receives applause every time he is on television, has a match at Wrestlemania (for a championship), and is a different person entirely from one "Zack Ryder". 

You can't see the situation objectively. You act like Zack is to blame for everything and he's a talentless hack. Zack still gets applause when he shows up, check the Rumble this year, quite a nice pop for someone who's been little more than enhancement talent for the better part of three years.





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