LEGION Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 The luchadors (not Jack Evans, Angelico, etc) mostly sucked at BOLA. Especially Aerostar. Agree Gedo and Jado are shitty bookers and are bringing NJPW's quality down. ...how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Damn, that Aerostar/Cage match was so shit at BOLA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted February 22, 2016 Report Share Posted February 22, 2016 Gedo and Jado are shitty bookers and are bringing NJPW's quality down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I honestly don't really like the NJPW/ROH relationship that much. It seems every time the NJPW guys come, all they do is beat the ROH guys. I watch both promotions, and prefer NJPW, but it's unfair. It's hard to even take the ROH guys seriously when they lose all the time. It's great that it brings these guys to a different stage, but the booking sucks. And 90% of the matchups they do suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmVD Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I've always thought the "Chasing the Dragon" finisher looked awkward. All the way back when O'Reilly and Cole were doing whatever they called it, as Future Shock. In theory, it's a cool move, but almost every time I've seen it, it looks *censored*ed up, because it looks like the guy doing the kick, kicks his partner directly in the ribs, as opposed to the opponent's head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AgeofSandow Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 I honestly don't really like the NJPW/ROH relationship that much. It seems every time the NJPW guys come, all they do is beat the ROH guys. I watch both promotions, and prefer NJPW, but it's unfair. It's hard to even take the ROH guys seriously when they lose all the time. It's great that it brings these guys to a different stage, but the booking sucks. And 90% of the matchups they do suck. new japan forces that, I hear. won't let certain people lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 It's a shame, really. Didn't they refuse to agree to a working agreement with WWE because they were afraid WWE would do the same with them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 It is a shame. I guess because they're a bigger company they call the shots. But man, the matchups just suck. Okada vs Moose. Lethal vs Honma. Castle vs Goto. Like ehh, why can't we get some cool shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 They could easily do something like Okada vs. Lethal, give them a proper match for 15 minutes and then have non-Elite Bullet Club or any under-/midcard tag-team interefere and attacking both, turning it into a Tag match or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I want them to do something like that so bad. Even if they wanna keep both guys strong, yeah just have a DQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssaultDriver720 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 It is a shame. I guess because they're a bigger company they call the shots. But man, the matchups just suck. Okada vs Moose. Lethal vs Honma. Castle vs Goto. Like ehh, why can't we get some cool shit. Man those matchups aren't even bad you are overacting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astro Zombie Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 They aren't bad, but they could do better with the talent pool they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LieCheatSteal Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 ^ Tbh, I don't care for ReDRagon as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns). Would love to see a little bit more detailed version of this. Didn't think a face who gets cheered(hes a god in PWG) could be a worst face than a face who gets boo'd to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 It is a shame. I guess because they're a bigger company they call the shots. But man, the matchups just suck. Okada vs Moose. Lethal vs Honma. Castle vs Goto. Like ehh, why can't we get some cool shit. Man those matchups aren't even bad you are overacting. You can't even spell correctly dude. Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns).Would love to see a little bit more detailed version of this. Didn't think a face who gets cheered(hes a god in PWG) could be a worst face than a face who gets boo'd to death. Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmVD Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns).Would love to see a little bit more detailed version of this. Didn't think a face who gets cheered(hes a god in PWG) could be a worst face than a face who gets boo'd to death. To be fair, most people who are good in the ring are gods in PWG. Not agreeing that he's a bad face. I love O'Reilly. I'm just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 It is a shame. I guess because they're a bigger company they call the shots. But man, the matchups just suck. Okada vs Moose. Lethal vs Honma. Castle vs Goto. Like ehh, why can't we get some cool shit. Man those matchups aren't even bad you are overacting. You can't even spell correctly dude. Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns).Would love to see a little bit more detailed version of this. Didn't think a face who gets cheered(hes a god in PWG) could be a worst face than a face who gets boo'd to death.Explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 My take on this "bad face" discussion... I haven't personally seen much of O'Reilly. I've seen a bit of the ReDRagon stuff in watching NJPW, and I honestly didn't realize they were faces. They damn sure look like heels to me. Not necessarily in the way they act...just in their general look. They don't have a face look...at all. Bobby Fish walks around looking like the villain from Wild Wild West, and O'Reilly always looks like a bit of a prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AssaultDriver720 Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 It is a shame. I guess because they're a bigger company they call the shots. But man, the matchups just suck. Okada vs Moose. Lethal vs Honma. Castle vs Goto. Like ehh, why can't we get some cool shit. Man those matchups aren't even bad you are overacting. You can't even spell correctly dude. Kyle O'Reilly is the worst face in wrestling right now (yes, worse than Roman Reigns).Would love to see a little bit more detailed version of this. Didn't think a face who gets cheered(hes a god in PWG) could be a worst face than a face who gets boo'd to death. Explain? Calm down grammar Nazi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 ReDragon has essentially had the same look since they started as a tag team. And I'm almost sure they started as the badass heel tag-team. Never seen Kyle O'Reilly's recent face run, so I cant judge. I know I liked his last run, when both he and Adam Cole were face and they had that awesome Hybrid match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNFNS Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 That Hybrid Rules match was based as *Censored*, shit was brutal. My PWG statement can be placed for ROH as well, the crowds love him. Now reDRagon as a team, Idk if they're face or heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 reDRagon were originally hipster-MMA-based heels. But they got over and became "cool" heels. On PWG O'Reilly is definitely a face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 The "I'm a heel so let me spit on my opponent" spot is done incorrectly and poorly. I remember when I first saw someone do that on that indy's I was freaking out. But it's never used to do anything major. Most of the time the faces just shrug it off and don't get their heat back. That should be used to commence the babyface absolutely KILLING the heel with a flurry of offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 Hate Prince Puma. Love Ricochet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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