adamthyst Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Smith played his heart out this game, but he made a lot of unnecessary fouls too. Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crack. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 NA NA NA HEY HEY BYE BYE CAVS Word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 That really should show how much help LeBron James needs, man can't do it all himself. If Cleveland would've won, hand that man the keys to Cleveland because he would've done it all by himself. What tf was J.R. Smith doing, btw? Well, one, no one has ever "done it themselves". And two, he really just needs a supporting cast at all. The only help he had on the roster was injured. There's a difference between not being able to carry a good supporting cast as the only star and carrying like an 8-seed/non-playoff cast in the Finals against a great team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 People quick to point out MJ won 6 finals, but they don't point out he lost the playoffs until he had a stacked team. MJ alone couldn't win the finals, why do people expect LeBron to do it without a good supporting cast? Lebron had a great supporting cast in Miami (2-2 in the finals), no excuses there. This isn't about Lebron though, it's about the champions, the Warriors. Give them some credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 The first year, was well the first year they were a team, kind of hard to expect them to instantly win the finals, and the last year against the Spurs were still the better team. Other than the (injured) Big 3 Miami didn't have much that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttttttttttt Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 lol you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Nobody else gets a pass for losing in the finals, not Kobe, not Magic, not Bird or Wilt. Lebron is no different. The only difference comes when people anoint him the greatest to ever play the game. That's when people question his finals loses. Shouldn't the single greatest basketball player ever have enough with Wade and Bosh to beat the Mavs, or a Spurs team with older, less talented players than himself and the other two guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamthyst Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 That really should show how much help LeBron James needs, man can't do it all himself. If Cleveland would've won, hand that man the keys to Cleveland because he would've done it all by himself. What tf was J.R. Smith doing, btw? Well, one, no one has ever "done it themselves". And two, he really just needs a supporting cast at all. The only help he had on the roster was injured. There's a difference between not being able to carry a good supporting cast as the only star and carrying like an 8-seed/non-playoff cast in the Finals against a great team. Yeah I agree with you. This could've been so much different had he had Love and Kyrie. I give credit to people like Thompson and Delly stepping up in wins, but it's not enough, especially how bad they played offensively tonight. LeBron is getting a lot of shit for this but really, it's not his fault. No star has ever won without help, like you said. The first year he lost was probably the worst team he was on, but some of them there is no excuse. But still, it's all in the coaching as well, not just the players. LeBron is arguably the best player in the NBA right now but I don't think he deserves a lot of the shit he's getting right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Nobody else gets a pass for losing in the finals, not Kobe, not Magic, not Bird or Wilt. Lebron is no different. The only difference comes when people anoint him the greatest to ever play the game. That's when people question his finals loses. Shouldn't the single greatest basketball player ever have enough with Wade and Bosh to beat the Mavs, or a Spurs team with older, less talented players than himself and the other two guys? Mavs, yes. If they met them any other year than their first as a team they would've won. No excuse still but yeah. Spurs, hell no, the Spurs were clearly the best team in the NBA that year old or not and Bosh and Wade were injured all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttttttttttt Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Nobody else gets a pass for losing in the finals, not Kobe, not Magic, not Bird or Wilt. Lebron is no different. The only difference comes when people anoint him the greatest to ever play the game. That's when people question his finals loses. Shouldn't the single greatest basketball player ever have enough with Wade and Bosh to beat the Mavs, or a Spurs team with older, less talented players than himself and the other two guys?Lebron has lost 1 finals he should have won, that is the only mark on his legacy and that was in the first year on a new team with some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Yeah both Cleveland losses were miracles that he even carried them that far. And I've already talked about his Miami losses. He's basically 2-1, 2-2 at worst in finals he realistically could be expected to win with his supporting casts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHavoc Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Warrios Champs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 People quick to point out MJ won 6 finals, but they don't point out he lost the playoffs until he had a stacked team. MJ alone couldn't win the finals, why do people expect LeBron to do it without a good supporting cast? Lebron had a great supporting cast in Miami (2-2 in the finals), no excuses there. This isn't about Lebron though, it's about the champions, the Warriors. Give them some credit. He did, but again, if those supporting cast isn't actually doing a good job supporting, then LeBron's gonna have a hard time winning. It's not just about having a great supporting cast, it's also about the entire team playing well. If MJ was the only one playing well consistently, then the Bulls wouldn't even be a champion. If Shaq & Kobe were the only Lakers playing well, they wouldn't have won the finals. Nobody else gets a pass for losing in the finals, not Kobe, not Magic, not Bird or Wilt. Lebron is no different. The only difference comes when people anoint him the greatest to ever play the game. That's when people question his finals loses. Shouldn't the single greatest basketball player ever have enough with Wade and Bosh to beat the Mavs, or a Spurs team with older, less talented players than himself and the other two guys? He's far from the greatest ever to play the game, to be honest. ANyone who says that is blind or heavily biased. Maybe the best of his era, but not of all time. Also hard to recognize him as the best because he flops a lot and gets biased calls towards his way, usually. I still think the losses to the Spurs were intentional, but it's a conspiracy theory. Though, LeBron did play well, if I recall? Probably the only one in the team who did. The Spurs may be older, but they're very talented.... On the subject of JR Smith, there are funny memes going around that he threw the game or didn't care about Game 6 because he wanted to party on Friday night or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Lebron is hands down the best player of all time. Players in general are better, faster, stronger now. Every generation gets better and in 15 years someone will make Lebron look like an average athlete, that's just how it goes. He may not be the most dominant player ever, but that's all you can really debate. Fact is Lebron is the best player we've seen so far and would have obliterated in any other era. And MJ riders calling out Lebron for him saying he was confident because he's the best player in the world are delusional. MJ was probably the single most arrogant/confident player the NBA has ever seen. Which is fine, but don't be a hypocrite and act like confidence is bad when Lebron displays it and hop on MJs dick right after. And don't even *censored*ing start with Lebron "flopping and getting a lot of calls". The NBA literally made rules to benefit Jordan's style of play and there are countless highlight videos on YouTube you can find of big games Jordan was in where he got a shit ton of absolutely ludicrous calls his way. The NBA and the officials have never been more of a bitch to a single player than they were for MJ. Which was smart because he's the most marketable player ever, but let's not pretend it didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2jfanlol Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 ehh, i don't think best player of "all time is the right choice of words." i think the likes of MJ and even Kobe, for that matter, win out as the most skilled basketball players...you can even put names like duncan in there in terms of basketball skill. Lebron is just a freak of nature, athletically, which happens to sensationalize his actual skill relative to the rest of the today's and perhaps more importantly in this context, the past's basketball world. MJ's game seems to have been more about his basketball facility which was complemented by his own athleticism whereas Lebron's game is stationed around his (ridiculous) athleticism which itself, rather than his skill, becomes the source of his dominance over the league. I can't really provide proof, but take for example, footwork--Lebron's is absolute ass, but he gets away with it because he can do things the rest of the world are physically, simply unable to do. tldr; Lebron is Lebron, Michael is Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttttttttttt Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Kobe hasn't been close to Lebron since 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Why bring Kobe into this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De La Nino Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Lebron is hands down the best player of all time. Players in general are better, faster, stronger now. Every generation gets better and in 15 years someone will make Lebron look like an average athlete, that's just how it goes. He may not be the most dominant player ever, but that's all you can really debate. Fact is Lebron is the best player we've seen so far and would have obliterated in any other era. And MJ riders calling out Lebron for him saying he was confident because he's the best player in the world are delusional. MJ was probably the single most arrogant/confident player the NBA has ever seen. Which is fine, but don't be a hypocrite and act like confidence is bad when Lebron displays it and hop on MJs dick right after. And don't even *censored*ing start with Lebron "flopping and getting a lot of calls". The NBA literally made rules to benefit Jordan's style of play and there are countless highlight videos on YouTube you can find of big games Jordan was in where he got a shit ton of absolutely ludicrous calls his way. The NBA and the officials have never been more of a bitch to a single player than they were for MJ. Which was smart because he's the most marketable player ever, but let's not pretend it didn't happen. Stopped reading after this lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Which is what most Lebron haters do. They don't actually listen to arguments they just plug their ears when someone actually defends him and then go on to say there are no arguments you can make for him. So if you're the kind of person who stops reading arguments at their claim, then I don't really care what you think about anything lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
De La Nino Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I got rekt jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Who cares about Lebron. Lets focus on the reigning MVP and the NBA champs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Comfort Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 I think most versatile is more appropriate. Offensively he can do practically anything he wants to and do it fairly well. He can comfortably play four positions on the court. Defensively, he can guard almost any position. There's been versatile players in the modern era such as Magic, Garnett, McGrady, Pippen, Grant Hill, Dirk, etc, but Lebron is arguably the most versatile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 If Lebron wouldn't have hyped himself up so much I don't think people would be hating on him as much. Kobe got a lot of hate for being compared to MJ, but it was more hype put on him by the media, with Lebron, it was the media and himself. Calling himself the "king", speaking in third person, the so-called "decision", and then falling short in the playoffs only helped people to pour on the hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grenade. Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Yeah he did, but again, Jordan was just as arrogant if not more so idk why Jordan fans would hate him for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedmaniac Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 The problem is, Jordan is a brand now more than being a person. To hate on MJ is to hate on the way someone dresses or even acts. Jordan sneakers are a sign of prestige to some and are seen as the best shoes around, even if they have never seen him play, they have been conditioned to think that he was the best ever because his name is on their damn shoe. My 4 year old nephew has on some brand new Jordans which he is happy about. Why does a 4 year-old have on MJ's instead of Ninja turtles or Superman shoes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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