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[WolfgangJT]

Goldberg – SvR2009 (Xbox 360)
by WolfgangJT

[img]http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/2680/wgjtgoldbergmf6.jpg[/img]

Help pics:
[url="http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3853/goldberghelppicsqe7.jpg"]http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3853/gold...helppicsqe7.jpg[/url]

Start with Template 3

Head: 16, 8, 38
Forehead: 0, -33, 8, -44

Eyebrows: -100, -6, -100, 9
Eyes: 0, -24, -17, -11, 10, 28, -13
Nose: 0, -34, 2, -28, 31, 38, 2, -15
Cheek: -36, 100, 52, -63
Mouth: 9, -36, -41, -39, 33, 62, -30
Jaw: 64, 32, 46, -1, 50, 100
Ears: 49, -87, 89, 18

Face>Skin>Skin Aging: 30

Body Type: 36
Neck: -24, 6, 16
Chest: 9, -25, 0
Shoulder: -19, 37, -67
Abdomen: 0, -6, -23
Waist: -16, -56
Arms: 5, -12, 2
Hands: 9, 5, 33
Legs: 27, -15, -9
Feet: -7, 5, 3

Body Height: 193cm
Weight: 129 kg

** Note: To get to WWE Logos/Flags, go into the selections within a clothing selection (ie, armbands/elbow pads for arms, wrestling attire for torso, tights for legs, etc)

H=Horizontal, V=Vertical:

1. Definition 1
2. Skin Tone (Face Skin) 5: 89, 2, -4, -17
3. Eye Type 1: 25, 0, -11
4. Eyebrows 7: 85, -22, 21
5. Eyelashes 1: 86, 0, 0 (default)
6. Lips 13: 100, 2, -2
7. Teeth 1
8. Hair 3
9. Body Hair 5: 85, 0, 21, 0
10. Body Hair 2: 94, 6, 18, 55
11. Underwear 4 (default stylized): -13, -100, 19
12. Head>Tattoos>Lettering>Alphabet Page 1, the V, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -52, 5, 78
13. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 98, Smallest H, Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -52, 9, 13
14. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 98, rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -60, 37, 78
15. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 98, Smallest H, Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -52, 4, 19
16. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 98, rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -59,33, 91
17. Marks/Scars 1: 89, -61, 100, 21
18. Facial Hair> Templates 13: 86, 0, 0, 100
19. Facial Hair> Goatee 1: 86, -73, 15, 100
20. Facial Hair> Templates 9: 85, 0, 0, 100
21. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 135, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 56, -100, -18, 50
22. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 135, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 56, -100, -5, 48
23. Facial Hair> Mustache 1: 86, 0, 18, 100
24. Facial Hair> Mustache 11: 89, -100, 27, 85
25. Makeup 28: 88, -28, -9, 54
26. Marks/Scars 19: 87, -28, 27, 0
27. Face Paint 86: 87, 19, 23, 30
28. Face Paint 84: 88, 0, 86, 0
29. Makeup 26 (default styling): 88, -22, -30, 50
30. Makeup 4: 88, 0, -22, 100
31. Face Paint 78: 88, -19, 40, 13
32. Facial Hair> Templates 16: 85, -14, 0, 57
33. Head>Tattoos>Lettering>Japanese Page 8, 1st column, 2nd row, Smallest H, Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -51, -35, 21
34. Head>Tattoos>Lettering>Signs Page 1, 5th column, 2nd row, Largest H & V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -52, -49, 13
35. Marks/Scars 1: 89, -40, -13, 55
36. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 142, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -55, 22, 65
37. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 142, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -55, 19, 65
38. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 142, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 89, -61, 34, 55
39. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 142, 2nd Smallest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -62, 31, 54
40. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 103, 2nd Smallest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -66, -10, 46
41. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 97, rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -62, 0, 56
42. Head>Tattoos>Symbols 97, rotate once, Smallest H, 2nd Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: 88, -57, 0, 58
43. Clothing>Lower Body>KneePads 8 (right leg only): -13, -100, -70, 100
44. Clothing>Lower Body>KneePads 5 (both legs): -13, -100, -71, 100
45. Clothing>Lower Body>Underwear 3 (default styling): -8, 0, -19
46. **Body>Tattoos>Arms>Right Arm>Flag 7, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: -9, -100, -81, 100
47. **Body>Tattoos>Arms>Right Arm>Flag 7, Largest H, 2nd Largest V, place as seen in help pics: -9, -100, -81, 100
48. Clothing>Upper Body>Armwear>Elbow Pads 3 (stylize one right of default): -27, -100, -62, 100
49. Clothing>Upper Body>Armwear>Hands (Gloves) 7: 21, -100, -62
50. Clothing>Lower Body>Footwear>Boots/Shoes 1 (stylize to the shortest ones): -25, -100, -7
51. Body>Tattoos>Arms>Left Arm> Symbols 33, Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -17, -59, -30, 39
52. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
53. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
54. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
55. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
56. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
57. Body>Tattoos>Torso> Symbols 99, rotate once, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
58. Body>Tattoos>Torso>Back> Symbols 33, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
59. Body>Tattoos>Torso>Back> Symbols 33, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, 59, 100
60. Body>Tattoos>Arms>Right Arm> Symbols 119, 2nd Largest H, Smallest V, place on the inside of arm as seen in help pics: 99, 0, 0, 34
61. Body>Tattoos>Arms>Right Arm> Symbols 118, 2nd Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, place on the inside of arm as seen in help pics: -18, -100, -11, 57
62. Body>Tattoos>Arms>Right Arm> Symbols 142, 2nd Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, -18, 100
63. Body>Tattoos>Arms>Left Arm> Symbols 142, 2nd Largest H, 2nd Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -18, -100, -21, 100
64. Body>Tattoos>Legs>Left Leg > Flags 7, Largest H, Smallest V, place as seen in help pics: -22, -100, -87, 100

[Hagen20013]

I don't know if it's your cap card or what but the body morphing looks off, especially in the legs which look way too long and skinny compared to his torso IMO. His arms look too long too. I'm thinking maybe the eyes are too squinty but the body morphing needs the most attention, Goldberg had pretty thick legs.

[WolfgangJT]

[quote name='Hagen20013' post='5356659' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:54 PM']I don't know if it's your cap card or what but the body morphing looks off, especially in the legs which look way too long and skinny compared to his torso IMO. His arms look too long too. I'm thinking maybe the eyes are too squinty but the body morphing needs the most attention, Goldberg had pretty thick legs.[/quote]

o_O

[img]http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7127/body1agu4.png[/img]

I don't think his legs are as thick as you might think..and they are fairly long. Let me know from the refs, but don't misconstrue his sizings or his eyes being squinty like many do every year. He's not as huge as some want to try to remember him....and his eyes are squinty.

[Hagen20013]

[quote name='WolfgangJT' post='5356730' date='Nov 26 2008, 01:12 AM'][quote name='Hagen20013' post='5356659' date='Nov 25 2008, 11:54 PM']I don't know if it's your cap card or what but the body morphing looks off, especially in the legs which look way too long and skinny compared to his torso IMO. His arms look too long too. I'm thinking maybe the eyes are too squinty but the body morphing needs the most attention, Goldberg had pretty thick legs.[/quote]

o_O

[img]http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/5623/body1aet9.png[/img]

I don't think his legs are as thick as you think. Let me know from the refs, but don't misconstrue his size or his eye being squinty like many do every year. He's not as huge as some want to try to remember him....and his eyes are squinty.
[/quote]

Yeah I realize Goldberg is not the monster he is billed to be as far as size goes... they made a mistake putting him and Austin side by side and they were close to the same size, but his legs are still thicker. His quads are pretty big, and I still think you have his legs too long. I dunno... the arms and legs just look weird to me... they look too long and skinny compared to his torso.

[WolfgangJT]

no prob..I'll see what I can do with changes in the arm lengths and legs. Just making sure you aren't doing the atypical "Goldberg was huge" I see people say in every Goldberg topic pretty much every year by people who didn't realize he wasn't as muscular-ish built as memories thought. Biggest misconception that a lot of people have...same with the eyes, as you can see in my ref edits...I have quite a bit of pics that show his eyes are very squinty, even when relaxed. Even the HCTP model had squinty eyes..just as much, if not more so, than what I have atm.
[img]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8851/goldberg0008ayo1.jpg[/img]

[MrB]

Lookin good, The only things i see right away are, he has really thick gloves. If the ones you gave him are the biggest then id maybe make his hands thicker. And his arms look a little too long. Other than that great job on this!

[Hytmannnnn]

I don't think it is the legs but the head. It looks completely out of proportion

[Hagen20013]

[quote name='WolfgangJT' post='5356854' date='Nov 26 2008, 01:36 AM']no prob..I'll see what I can do with changes in the arm lengths and legs. Just making sure you aren't doing the atypical "Goldberg was huge" I see people say in every Goldberg topic pretty much every year by people who didn't realize he wasn't as muscular-ish built as memories thought. Biggest misconception that a lot of people have...same with the eyes, as you can see in my ref edits...I have quite a bit of pics that show his eyes are very squinty, even when relaxed. Even the HCTP model had squinty eyes..just as much, if not more so, than what I have atm.
[img]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/8851/goldberg0008ayo1.jpg[/img][/quote]

I'm thinking shorten the arms a good bit and the legs a little. Just looking at your pics with the naked eye it looks like his arms are the same length as his legs. I think if you'd shorten the arms, and shorten the legs a bit and make them a little bigger, it'd be fine. I also think there's something up with the head/neck area, but it's not sticking out to me as much as the legs/arms. I know Goldberg has massive traps and a thick neck, but I think maybe you made his neck too short and his head too small?

I don't know why, but I also have somewhat of a tough time with leg length on CAWs; I did on '08 too for some reason, but never on '06 (never made CAWs for '07)

[Shawn Stylz]

I Think The Head May Be A Tad Too Small, Just By A Hair, LMAO Kind Of A Funny Saying Considering He Is Bald! LMAO "By A Hair"

[tekken57]

Its a good start. The eyes looks perfect to me the way they are. There are a few minor things bugging me though:

1. The lower lip should be a more fuller. A different lip choice may fix this
2. If you can, try to decrease the nostril height and increase the overall height of the nose slightly. This should be done to give the nostrils a more rounded shape and at the same time increasing the distance between the point of the nose and bottom of the nostril. This could be a limitation of the model though
3. Something about the cheeks are bugging me. His cheeks are a bit more plumpy and rounded. You morphing looks correct, it could be the shading of the cheeks.
4. Decrease the width of the jaw slightly to give it a more rounded shape. Once again, this could be a limitation of the model
5. The sizing of the head looks a bit small in relation to the body.

I know you probably have tons of ref pics but I'm pm'ing some to you which I guarantee you havent seen before.

[Maestro]

I'm really liking it right now. nice companion to your Lesnar CAW

[Dxfan117]

i think hes spot on bro good work how many layers?

[loyalROCKfan]

That is just........AWSOME i love the cold eyes and the nose is perfrct...........don't think i ever saw him crak a smile ever.......good work so far JT

[Petchy]

I think the body morph is spot on, but I'm not feeling the face at all if i'm honest. Will come back later with refs and suggestions.

[The D]

I know you're gonna' hate to hear this Wolf, but can you please send me the morph? I think I could make a nice Austin out of this.

At the moment, the main problem I see is the head shaping. The cheeks are looking really flat, and 'Berg's cheeks come out at the bottom, giving him that slightly 'baby fat' look for lack of a better term. I'd bring the eye bags down a few clicks aswell and even though you say he looks squinty anyway, at the moment he looks too squinty so I think the eyes could stand to have a bit more height.

Body morph looks weird tbh. The abs are looking too wide for the chest, and the head is looking a little too small, although I do know that the heads look big ingame for some reason when set to match the rest of the body.

Anyway, that's all I've got for now. Looking forward to an update.

[The Nature Boy]

wolf, cant really find anything about the face that doesnt work... maybe fatten up his cheeks just a bit.

i think the legs look a tad too long, but you already stated youre reasons why. (could easily be the pic)

youres will be the goldberg ill be making.

thank you...youve nailed the face!

[.Greenâ„¢]

Ahh,Wolfie you've done it again!Great!

Just 2 things wrong:
-Head is a tad to small
-Arms are a bit long

OT:The Goldberg you had for 2008 I surprizingly made it on PS2 exactly the same!With 3 layers to spare!

[eclipse.]

looks great

[Moneyslap03]

yeah wolf goldberg head is shaped like a nut (the ones at baseball games) where his upper head is big then the size of his cheeks are small the x-axis area is larger

[Attitude]

One suggestion I have is make the abdomen a little less wide. That's my opinion, I could be wrong...but other than that it is great. How long do these take you?

[MepsiPax187]

Why the hell do the shoulders look really weird in CAW mode this year?

[cawking101]

Awesome caw - I pray your releasing the formula when its done

[DEC]

could u send me the formula

[RPM2092]

[quote name='The D' post='5357506' date='Nov 26 2008, 06:48 AM']I know you're gonna' hate to hear this Wolf, but can you please send me the morph? I think I could make a nice Austin out of this.

At the moment, the main problem I see is the head shaping. [b]The cheeks are looking really flat, and 'Berg's cheeks come out at the bottom, giving him that slightly 'baby fat' look for lack of a better term.[/b] I'd bring the eye bags down a few clicks aswell and even though you say he looks squinty anyway, [b]at the moment he looks too squinty so I think the eyes could stand to have a bit more height. [/b]

Body morph looks weird tbh. The abs are looking too wide for the chest, and the head is looking a little too small, although I do know that the heads look big ingame for some reason when set to match the rest of the body.

Anyway, that's all I've got for now. Looking forward to an update. [/quote] Same thing I was going to say. I'm sure after an update or two this will be looking much better be up to par with your usual CAWs.

[shoelaces]

Looks sick i hope you finish and post him soon