The Gravemaster Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 If any of it is not chooseable just say what you would have [b]Name:[/b] The Kid, Francis Daniels [b]Hometown:[/b] Canada [b]Weight:[/b] 239 lbs (Light Heavyweight) [b]Height:[/b] 6" [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face [b]Match Specialty:[/b] Last Man Standing [b]Fighting Styles:[/b] Technical, High Flyer [b]Entrance Theme:[/b] Ruby Wednesday - Eskimo Joe [b]Finishers:[/b] Clothesline from Canada (Clothesline from Hell) and Daniels Drop (Pedigree 1) [b]Title History:[/b] Hardcore Championship, Cruiserweight Championship (3, C), World Heavyweight Championship, WWE Championship, World Tag Team Championship, WWE Tag Team Championship, Smoking Skull Championship (CAB, 2, C), Cruiserweight Championship (CAB, C) [i][size=1][color="#808080"]*[/color][color="#808080"]CAB=Create-A-Belt, C= Current, #=Number of Reigns[/color][/size][/i] [b]Debut:[/b] WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 [b]Overall:[/b] 99 [b]Stable: [/b]Who's Who with The Gravemaster and Joe Parker (both original CAWs) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ęvo. Posted November 25, 2007 Report Share Posted November 25, 2007 [b]Name:[/b] The Extremist, Nathan Daniels [b]Hometown:[/b] Raleigh, North Carolina [b]Weight:[/b] 230 lbs (Light Heavyweight) [b]Height:[/b] 6"1' [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face [b]Match Specialty:[/b] TLC, Ladder [b]Fighting Styles:[/b] Hardcore, High Flyer [b]Entrance Theme:[/b] Master of Puppets - Metallica [b]Finishers:[/b] Extreme Facebuster (Edgecution) and Meteor Bomb (Swanton Bomb 2) [b]Title History:[/b] Hardcore Championship (2), Cruiserweight Championship (4), World Heavyweight Championship (2), WWE Championship (3), World Tag Team Championship, EWA World Championship (CAB, 3, C) EWA HardKore Championship (CAB, 2) [color="#808080"][size=1][i]*CAB=Create-A-Belt, C= Current, #=Number of Reigns[/i][/size][/color] [b]Debut:[/b] WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW [b]Overall:[/b] 99 [b]Stable:[/b] Team Extreme with Kid Acid (Original CAW), Jeff Hardy and Rachel Williams (original CAW) [b]Career Making Match:[/b] TLC match for WWE Title vs. Kurt Angle I made Gravemasters sig! lol which got taken off for being too big Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodson1983 Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Name: The Cerebral Destroyer Jamie Woodson Hometown: Pittsburgh, PA Weight: 280 lbs (Heavyweight) Height: 6"6" Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Face right now, changes though Match Specialty: ECW Fighting Styles: Showman, Technichal Entrance Theme: King of Kings Finishers: TKo & Elijah Express Title History: Hardcore (2), United States (2), IC (2), World Tag Team (3), WWE Tag Team (2), World Heavyweight (5), WWE (5- C) Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW Overall: 2007: 99, 2008: 80 Stable: Four Horseman: Triple H, Ric Flair, Batista & Team Angle: Kurt Angle, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas [u]Defining Match[/u] Ladder match vs Edge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Déjà vu Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 [b]Name:[/b] The Saviour, Tommy Card. [b]Hometown:[/b] Liverpool, England. [b]Weight:[/b] 267 lbs (Heavyweight) [b]Height:[/b] 6''2 [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face. [b]Match Specialty[/b]: Last Man Standing [b]Fighting Styles:[/b] Hardcore, High Flyer [b]Entrance Theme:[/b] Last Resort - Papa Roach [b]Finishers:[/b] The Purifier (vertabreaker), The Crucifix (crucifix DDT) [b]Title History:[/b] Hardcore Championship, World Championship (3), Smoking Skull Championship (1), Intercontinental (5), WWE Tag Team Championship (2) [b]Debut:[/b] WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 [b]Overall:[/b] 91 [b]Stable:[/b] None. [b]Career Making Match:[/b] Ladder Match for the IC Championship v Jeff Hardy (CAW) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyRS Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Name: My name Hometown: Los Angeles, California Weight: 288 lbs (Super Heavyweight) Height: 6"2 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Good Match Specialty: Extreme Rules Fighting Styles: Technical, Hardcore Entrance Theme: Sabu Finishers: Rock Bottom, Stunner Title History: Can't remember Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW Overall: 99 Stable: Annihalation - Edge, Orton and Cena Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ęvo. Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I just made another good one, he's like a really crazy agro little guy and is best friends with Nathan Daniels [b]Name:[/b] Kid Acid [b]Hometown:[/b] Parts Unknown [b]Weight:[/b] 179 lbs (Cruiserweight) [b]Height:[/b] 5''8 [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face. [b]Match Specialty[/b]: Steel Cage [b]Fighting Styles:[/b] High Flyer, Hardcore [b]Entrance Theme:[/b] Master of Puppets - Metallica [b]Finishers:[/b] The Acifyer (Hurricanrana) Acid Flip (Moonsault 3) [b]Title History:[/b] Cruiserweight Championship (1) EWA Cruiserweight Championship (CAB, 1, C) [i]*CAB=Create-A-Belt, C= Current, #=Number of Reigns[/i] [b]Debut:[/b] WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 [b]Overall:[/b] 92 [b]Stable:[/b] Team Extreme with Nathan Daniels (original CAW), Jeff Hardy and Rachel Williams (original CAW) [b]Career Making Match:[/b] Steel Cage match for EWA Cruiserweight (CAB) vs. Rey Mysterio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Triple Six~ Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Name: BiG O Hometown: New York Weight: 265 Height: 6'5'' Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: People like him but he is heel Match Specialty: Street Fight Fighting Styles: Powerhouse, Hardcore Entrance Theme: Raised In the Projects - Project Pat Finishers: Top Rope Pedigree, Normal Pedigree Title History: 3 Time WWE Champion Debut: WWE Day of Reckoning 1 Overall: 90 Career Making Match: Beat Triple H In Hell In Cell At Wrestlemania For The WWE Title With Pedigree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browneyebandit Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Name: Killer Clown hometown: the bowels of hell Weight: 266 Height: 6ft4 Match Tactics: fight dirty but does extreme things Match specialty: ecw extreme rules match Fighting styles: hardcore, brawler Entrance theme: Red stars by The Birthday Masacre Finishers: Clown driver( piledriver 2) carnival expolosion( swanton bomb 1) Title history: 4 time tbw heavyweight champion(my created belt) Debut: april 1st 2007 Overall: 91 Career making match: defeated dr funk for the tbw heavyweight title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
{ECW}RvD Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Name: Brad Wicked Height: 184 cm Weight: 122 kg From: England Brand: ECW Finishers: The Punisher (Cyclone 1); Wicked Drive (Knee Facebuster) Fighting Styles: Powerhouse & Hardcore Career Highlights: ENW World Champion; WWE Champion; Intercontinental Champion --------------------------- Stable:The Street Bulls (With ND Loc) Associates:Melissa Wrestling Debut: WWE RAW (PC) WWE Debut: September 2006 Current Status:Looking for a decent broadcasting show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr E. Nygma Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Name: Bryan O Hometown: Raleigh North, Carolina (My Hometown Isn't In The Game) Weight: 239 lbs (Light Heavyweight) Height: 6'1" Crowd Reaction: Bad Match Specialty: Submission Fighting Styles: Submission, Brawler Entrance Theme: Blood Brother (Christians First Theme In WWE) But It Does Vary Between That And Opium Of The People Finishers: Brain Bash (Elijah Express), Sit Down Shut Up (Anaconda Vise) Title History: WWE Champion, World Tag Team Champion & BLW (Black Label Wrestling) Champion Debut: Raw (On The Original Xbox) Overall: 86 Stable: Team Xtreme (A Rip Off I Know) With Wesley (An Original Caw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Lionheart Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Name: The "straightedge" Player (its on the caws archives (sd vs raw 2007) Hometown: Boise, Idaho Weight: 350 lbs (Super Heavyweight) Height: 6"8 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Face Match Specialty: Hell in a Cell Fighting Styles: High Flyer, Grappler, Hardore, Powerhouse Entrance Theme: Back in Black - AC/DC Finishers: Straightedge spinout (Cyclone 1) and Player Plex (Suplex Pin) Title History: Hardcore Championship 5x, World Heavyweight Championship 6x (current), WWE Championship7x, World Tag Team Championship3x, WWE Tag Team Championship3x, Smoking Skull Championship 1x, Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 Overall: 99 Stable: AQNZ (torrie wilson, triple H, Rey Mysterio) Player and torrie (Torrie wilson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ęvo. Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 wow, this has got to be my brothers only succesful topic, very succesful i might add! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtremeTony Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Name: XtremeTony Hometown: San Diego, CA Weight: 286 lbs (Heavyweight) Height: 5'10" Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Face Match Specialty: Submission Fighting Styles: Technical, Showman Entrance Theme: "Sick Vendeta" by Eva Trill Finishers: Sharpshooter, Padre Popper (Cyclone 1) Title History: WWA World Heavyweight Champion (1), ZXWWF Tag Team champion(1), XGWL Ultimate Champion(1) C= Current, #=Number of Reigns Debut: WWF Warzone (August '98) Overall: 94 Stable: Team 619 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernez Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 [b]Name:[/b] Tank [b]Hometown:[/b] Germany [b]Weight:[/b] 275 lbs (Heavyweight) [b]Height:[/b] 6"1' [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face [b]Match Specialty:[/b] Hardcore [b]Fighting Styles: [/b]Hardcore, Power [b]Finishers:[/b] Destroyer (one of the neck breakers) and missile Drop (Neck breaker pin) [b]Title History:[/b] World Heavyweight, WWE Heavyweight (Twice), MIW Heavyweight (CAB, Recent Champion, Three Times), Hardcore Championship, Intercontinental (Twice). [b]Debut: [/b]Smack down 1 (xD...no joke (His name was Tank also...before they put Tank into the game)) [b]Overall:[/b] 93 [b]Stable:[/b] N/A, was partners with Anti-Christ(Original Caw) [b]Career Making Match:[/b] Hell In A Cell, for the MIW Championship, against Anti-Christ. MIW logo, trademark and other stuff [b]IS[/b] paid for by me. So please don't take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtremeTony Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 [quote name='Ernez' post='3809584' date='Feb 21 2008, 11:28 PM'][b]Name:[/b] Tank [b]Hometown:[/b] Germany [b]Weight:[/b] 275 lbs (Heavyweight) [b]Height:[/b] 6"1' [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Clean, Face [b]Match Specialty:[/b] Hardcore [b]Fighting Styles: [/b]Hardcore, Power [b]Finishers:[/b] Destroyer (one of the neck breakers) and missile Drop (Neck breaker pin) [b]Title History:[/b] World Heavyweight, WWE Heavyweight (Twice), MIW Heavyweight (CAB, Recent Champion, Three Times), Hardcore Championship, Intercontinental (Twice). [b]Debut: [/b]Smack down 1 (xD...no joke (His name was Tank also...before they put Tank into the game)) [b]Overall:[/b] 93 [b]Stable:[/b] N/A, was partners with Anti-Christ(Original Caw) [b]Career Making Match:[/b] Hell In A Cell, for the MIW Championship, against Anti-Christ. MIW logo, trademark and other stuff [b]IS[/b] paid for by me. So please don't take it. [/quote] Hey. Is that MIW Major Impact Wrestling from the VBC Network? I'm just asking because my CAW show XGWL works closely with MIW from the VBC Network. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millinniummany3k Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Here's four of my best, as well as some pics. Name: Sofia Shalatia Hometown: Manhasset New York Weight: 212 lbs (Light Heavyweight) Height: 7'2 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Face Match Specialty: Submission Fighting Styles: Submission, High Flyer Entrance Theme: Just Close Your Eyes Finishers: Bearhug, Go Round Pin, Powerful Raise, Russian Leg Sweep, Leap of Faith Title History: Not tracked Debut: WWF Wrestlemania 2000 Overall: 73 Stable: Divas of Anarchy (with Reiko and Jessie, use DX music, video and movements for tag and trio entrance) [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/SvR%202007/PDVD_075.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/PDVD_021-3.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/PDVD_111.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/PDVD_075.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/PDVD_064.jpg[/img] Name: Jessie Evan Hometown: Demoire Iowa Weight: 100 lbs (Divaweight) Height: 5'11 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Face Match Specialty: None Fighting Styles: Showman, Technical Entrance Theme: Sweet Emotion - Aerosmith Finishers: Tiger Driver, Scissor Kick, Dancing Leg Drop, Tiger Suplex, Finley Press Title History: Not tracked Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2006 Overall: 83 Stable: Divas of Anarchy (with Reiko and Sofia, use DX music, video and movements for tag and trio entrance) [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_032.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_035-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_053.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_051.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_048.jpg[/img] Name: Reiko Ichijo Hometown: Chicago Illinois Weight: 212 lbs (Light Heavyweight) Height: 5'3 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Dirty, Face Match Specialty: Hardcore Fighting Styles: Dirty, Hardcore Entrance Theme: Prepare for War - Dragonforce Finishers: Tombstone 3, Leglock Chokehold, Ultimate Knees, Dragonrana, Shining Wizard Title History: Not tracked Debut: WWF Attitude Overall: 84 Stable: Divas of Anarchy (with Sofia and Jessie, use DX music, video and movements for tag and trio entrance) [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_052.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_017.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_016-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/SvR%202007/PDVD_069-1.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/SvR%202007/PDVD_112.jpg[/img] Name: Nancy Allen Hometown: Miami Florida Weight: 157 lbs (Cruiserweight) Height: 6'6 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Dirty, Heel Match Specialty: Ladder Fighting Styles: Technical, Submission Entrance Theme: Light a Fire - Nuts in a Blender Finishers: Widowmaker, Elevated Crab, Sharpshooter, Diving Hurricarana, Jacknife Powerbomb Title History: Not tracked. Debut: WWF Attitude Overall: 89 Stable: None [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/Oneofthecountlessfantasydivasyoucan.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/SvR%202007/PDVD_020-2.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/SvR%202007/PDVD_032.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_150.jpg[/img] [img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c202/millinniummany3k/my%20album/PDVD_064.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xelig00n Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 [quote name='guyrs' post='3434838' date='Dec 19 2007, 11:19 AM']Name: My name Hometown: Los Angeles, California Weight: 288 lbs (Super Heavyweight) Height: 6"2 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Good Match Specialty: Extreme Rules [b]Fighting Styles: Technical, Hardcore[/b] Entrance Theme: Sabu Finishers: Rock Bottom, Stunner Title History: Can't remember Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW Overall: 99 Stable: Annihalation - Edge, Orton and Cena[/quote] Wow, have 07 got a update? Its not 08 we're talking here. I can't remember my caws sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CactusClothesline Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Name: Tank Hometown: Parts Unkwon Weight: 400lbs (Super Heavyweight) Height: 7"4 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Bad Match Specialty: None Fighting Styles: Brawler,Brawler Entrance Theme: Gregory Helms Finishers: Manibable Claw Title History: None Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 Overall: 85 Stable: Annihalation - None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.ęvo. Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 [quote name='wrestlingmaniac' post='3866800' date='Mar 4 2008, 11:15 PM']Wow, have 07 got a update? Its not 08 we're talking here. I can't remember my caws sorry[/quote]Thats a [i]really[/i] smart thing to say considering you should have read the [b]VERY FIRST SENTANCE OF THE GO DAMN THREAD!!![/b] [quote name='The Gravemaster' post='3303432' date='Nov 25 2007, 08:15 PM']If any of it is not chooseable just say what you would have[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
:Mic-Check: Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I like how u did the transformation of your CAW with the pics from previous games!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urienation Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Name: Valentine. Hometown: Canada Weight: 231 lbs (Light Heavyweight) Height: 6"1 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Face Match Specialty: TLC Fighting Styles: Brawler, Brawler. Entrance Theme: Saw Theme song. Finishers: Bullet for My Valentine (Spear), Jigsaw (Crippler Crossface) Debut: WWE SmackDown! vs. RAW 2007 Overall: 99 Stable: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDL Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 [b]Name:[/b] Dennis 'The Scorpion' Walters [b]Hometown:[/b] Cincinnati, Ohio [b]Weight:[/b] 240 lbs Heavyweight [b]Height:[/b] 6'1" [b]Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction:[/b] Dirty/Bad (Heel all the way) [b]Match Specialty:[/b] Table [b]Fighting Styles:[/b] Grapple, Ground (on 08 would be Technical and something else) [b]Entrance Theme:[/b] Born To Raise Hell - Motorhead (Cowboys From Hell - Pantera when in the Revelation stable) [b]Finishers:[/b] Pedigree 1 (Scorpion Sting), Sharpshooter (Scorpion Death Lock) [b]Title History:[/b] Ohmigods! The list is long and distinguished. Usually any and all Tag Titles within reach [b]Debut:[/b] WWF Attitude (although I used to pretend one of the characters on Tecmo Pro Wrestling in 1990 was him ) [b]Overall:[/b] 94 [b]Stable: [/b] D-Generation X II (w/Jeff Pryce and Sapphire), Revelation (w/Spyder) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leonardo Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Name: ''The Hardcore Legend'' Bryan X Hometown: New York Weight: 256 lbs (Heavyweight) Height: 6"1 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Good Match Specialty: TLC Fighting Styles: Highflyer, Hardcore Entrance Theme: ''Voices'' by Rev Theror Finishers: X-Flip (Flip Bottom), X-Face Buster (Unprettier) Title History: 2-time Smoking Skull Champion ,3-time WWE Champion, 5-time World Heavyweight Champion, 1-time Hardcore Champion Debut: Smackdown vs Raw 2007 Overall: 97 Stable: The Extremes (Bryan X, Adam R, Steven Z) and Bryan X and Candice Michelle Career Making Match : Bryan X vs Edge (TLC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Name: "The Hardcore Icon" Kevin Fowl Hometown:Battle Creek,Michigan Weight: 222 lbs (Heavyweight) Height: 6"4 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Good Match Specialty: Hardcore Fighting Styles: Highflyer, Hardcore Entrance Theme: I Aint Your Saviour-Bullets and Octane Finishers:Fowl Splash(Frog Splash) The KK[Kevin Kick] (Super kick) Title History: 8x Hardcore Champion,World Heavyweight Champion,Intercontinental Champion Debut: Smackdown vs Raw 2006 Overall: 91 Stable: Fowl Brothers Inc.(Kevin Fowl and Brendon Fowl) The Icons-(Kevin Fowl/Sting) i made sting asa CAW Career Making Match : Winning the world heavyweight title off of HHH and winning the money in the bank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt3:16 Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Name: Blood Hometown: Parts Unknow Weight: 225 lbs (Heavyweight) Height: 6"1 Match Tactics/Crowd Reaction: Clean, Good Match Specialty: First Blood Fighting Styles: Brawler, Showman Entrance Theme: Keine Lust, Rammstein Finishers: Love at Frist Blood (TKO) Bloody Kick (Bussaw Kick) Title History: 2x WHC 1x WWE Champ. 3x Hardcore Debut: Smackdown vs Raw 2007 Overall: 92 Stable: - Career Making Match : When he won the WWE title to Randy Orton in a FB Match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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