Bullfrog Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Bullfrog's TOT 07' the last match will be a triple threat HELL IN A CELL here is the caw braket [img]http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff165/2bextreme/ggg-2.jpg[/img] * means i've made the CAW [u]Steel dragon[/u] [i]- Rated 3:16[/i]* [b]VS.[/b] [u]Adrian moore[/u] [i]- Robert Styles[/i]* [u]Shia Storm[/u] [i]- DangerBreed[/i]* [b]VS.[/b] [u]Double 0 Aimless[/u] [i]- Rasmus 616 [/i]* -reseved for equaleyez [b]VS.[/b] [u]matt morgan[/u] [i]- dark chicken[/i]* [u]Volrath[/u] - †Volrath †[b]VS.[/b] [u]Jamie Lucas[/u] [i]- .:Deadman Inc:.(Wow i got deadman in, awsome )[/i] [u]The game[/u] [i]- mani-man[/i] [b]VS.[/b] [u]Joe Bruiser[/u] [i] - chickothrottle[/i]* [u]Vyane[/u] - [i]PWNcity Machinegun[/i]* [b]VS.[/b] [u]Brandon Payne[/u] [i]- GamingWizard[/i] [u]54321[/u] [i]- americandream'sassmonkey[/i] [b]VS.[/b] [u]Johnny Chivalry[/u] [i]- Johnny_Chivalry[/i] Tournament will begin when i finish making all the CAWs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steeldragon493â„¢ Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 ill b first to sign up! my caw is Steel Dragon, and here's the link [url="http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?showtopic=167716"]Steel Dragon[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Styles Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION FORM Name: Adrian moore HUD Name:Moore Nickname: The Disturbed Nickname Placement:prefix Announcer Introduction: Adrian Hometown:district of columbia Gender:male Weight Class: lightheavywight Match Tactic: clean Show:smackdown Voice:1 Match Specialty:tlc FACE PARTS Hair: 1 90/-77/-29 Eyes: default Eyebrows: 1 Facial Hair: none Lips: 1 Skin Tones: 2 Eyelashes: default Teeth: default HEAD MORPHING Head:none Forehead: 0/0/0/15 FACE MORPHING Eyebrows:-3/100/-59/-55 Eyes: default Nose:4/43/24/35/18/-14/39/-15 Cheeks: -43/-39/-49/42 Mouth: -19/41/-33/-39/33/-69/6 Jaw: 50/15/22/1/-30/-40 Ears: 13/10/30/37 Skin Aging: BODY TYPE Body Type: Body Skin:2 Body Hair:none Body Height 5'10" LAYERS: 10.Underwear: 3 do this in oder elbow left: 1 -13/-78/-74/100 wristbands both: 21 same as elbow mask 13 black as it can be shoes 1 mens bottoms 16 defalut design back:137 2nd largest both ways 100/0/-100/0 design back 6 above previous design S:-100 A:0 design back 29middle of 137 90/-39/48/100 design front 135 tallest v widest h -83/0/-100/0 design front 37middle of previous -97/15/19/100 copy and move it down abit left arm tat 147 -33/0/-100/18 design right leg 137largest possible -100/100/0/100 design right leg 28 flip it upside down and default white copy it and move it down a bit left leg tat151 -34/0/-37/100 makeup 36 -100/0/-70/100 jacket 19 zipped up and hood up entrance only moveset dont fell like looking it up so do this preset rvd and change finshers to fameasser and cobra clutch 2 atributes cant remember just put strength and endurance to full them make him 89 when will you do this because i might have time to look up and post the moveset and atibures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerBreed Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Name.Shia Storm Hud.Storm Nickname.Soulrider Prefix Intro.The Monster Hometown.Virginia Weight.265 Match tactic.dirty match special.submission *head morphing* head.0.12.2 *face morphing* eyes.-29.-7.0.0.0.5.0 nose.24.-43.32.0.-4.33.0.0 cheeks.19.12.12.24 mouth.0.39.-35.0.33.17.1 jaw.-8.-18.0.0.0.46 ears.-26.-10.-14.-41 *body type: -39* advanced neck.-30.19.0 chest.36.26.10 abs.0.17.0 arms.51.14.30 hands.11.30.0 legs.0.22.15 *body height: 6 4* 1. body skin.8.91.8.-21 2. default 3. eyes.5.99.-100.100 4. eyebrows.9.shade.-100 5. default 6. lips.1.98.-5.-29 7. default 8.hair.22.shade.-100 9. - default 10. underwear.3 11. logos.left arm.wwe.12.bicep area.default horizontal. biggest size vertically.-100.100.-16.0 12. Other facial hair.3.90.0.-100.100 13. make-up.52.92.0.-100.44 14. Logos.right arm.design.45.largest size.Upper arm/outter bicep area.-100.-100.100.0 15. Logos. right arm.alphabet 6/14.S.In the (left) middle of layer 14.-100.100.0.0 16. Copy later 15, and move it over to the right ( I want it to be like "SS") 17. tights.1.shade.-100 18. leg tattoo.9.-18.-100.0.100 19. leg tattoo.39.-96.15.19.100 20. Shoes.7.-100.34.-100 21. gloves.2.black 22. logos.right leg.wwe.11.default size.middle of the cross.-100.-100.16.100 23. same as layer 21, but left leg. 24. Other headwear.31.100.-100.100 25. men's clothes.15.stylelize.tight tank, and tucked in.shade.-100 26. logos.front torso.wwe.12.largest size.middle of the tank top.-14.-85.30.0 27. logos.front torso.wwe.largest size.just under the cross like so the wings touch the cross handles..13.-100.100.-26.54 28. (entrance only)Coat.2.black (In this order) *A.I. fighting styles.balanced.ground* WWE A.I..Chris Benoit *Advanced.Move.Aggresive.irish whip.often.diving moves.often.taunt.less* *Moveset* ring in.slide in ring out.quick ring out taunts.cut throat.raise arm 4.taunt benoit 1.taunt boss 2. fighting stance.fp undertaker 1 strike attacks.heavy combo 1.toe kick 3.clothesline 3.combination 1.polish hammer 2.french punch combo. quick.back chop 6.headlock takeover.european uppercut.arm drag 2 sub.Oklahoma.guillotine.torture rack.kurt angle chickenwing.Iron Claw tech.suplex 1.tazz capture suplex.german suplex 2.german suplex 3.belly to belly 1. power.backbreaker.clothesline 20.backbreaker 6.belly to belly 3.clothesline.19 grapple from behind.octupus stretch 2.german suplex 4.german suplex 2.german suplex pin 2 ground strikes.kurt angle stomp.angry stomp.double axe handle 4 ground grapple.camel clutch 1.dragon sleeper 4.sleeper hold & scissors 2.high angle boston crab 2.sharpshooter.edgecator corner strikes.turnbuckle clothesline 2.running shoulder attack 1.knee attack 1 corner grapple.arm drag 6.double underhook suplex.superplex 1.superplex 2 back corner grapple.side slam 2.super back suplex.rebound suplex.forearm to back sitting corner grapple.foot choke 2 groggy on ropes.back low blow rebound attack.spinning back kick 4.slingshot body splash 1.moonsault attack running strikes.clothesline 9.clothesline 7 running grapple.german suplex 7.octupus stretch 1. running back grapple.german suplex 6.snapmare 1 counter.german suplex 7.belly to belly 3 finishers.FU 1.angle slam 2 sig.angle slam 2.tazz capture suplex.belly to belly 3 combination.people's punch 1 (fliped).people's punch 1.people's punch 2 entrance motion: triple H fireworks: stage pyro 10 (at the begining) screen effect: none room lighting: room lighting 02 camera: 12 name plate: When he raises his head ramp: motion: superstar 08 fireworks: none screen effect: none room lighting: room lighting 02 camera: 02 name plate: none ring-in: motion: superstar 08 fireworks: ring in pyro 07 (when he raises his arms) screen effect: none room lighting: room lighting 02 camera: 01 name plate: none ring: motion: superstar 08 fireworks: none screen effect: none room lighting: room lighting 02 camera: 01 name plate: none music: music 09 or [url="http://www.sendspace.com/file/xf5e98"]http://www.sendspace.com/file/xf5e98[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equaleyez Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 H/o, can I reserve a spot? Only cause I lost my guy's profile and I dont want to use my other guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.MajinGod Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Heres my caw Name: Double 0 Aimless HUD Name: D0A Nickname: Nickname Placement: Announcer Introduction: The Superstar Hometown: New Jersey Gender: Male Weight Class: 244 lbs Match Tactic: Face Show: Any Voice: 1 Match Specialty: Hardcore FACE PARTS Hair: 8: 83,-100,-89 Eyes: 2: 100,0,-20 Eyebrows: 54: 83,0,-4 Lips: 1: 98,0,-62 Skin Tones: 1 Eyelashes: default Teeth: default HEAD MORPHING Head: 0,0,0 Forehead: 0,0,0,0 FACE MORPHING Eyebrows: -24,7,0,24 Eyes: 24,0,-24,6,3,0,0 Nose: -5,-2,0,-37,0,0,0,0 Cheeks: 2,-9,0,-8 Mouth: 11,-32,-18,9,0,0,-37 Jaw: -28,0,-9,15,4,-9 Ears: 0,0,0,0 Skin Aging: 5 BODY TYPE Body Type: -4 ADVANCED OPTIONS Neck: -4,-18,0 Chest: -7,-28,-20 Shoulder: 0,-22,0 Abdomen: -39,-8,0 Waist: -21,0 Arms: 4,16,31 Hands: 0,0,0 Legs: 0,0,0 Feet: 0,0,0 Body Skin: 1 Body Hair: default Body Height:6'0 LAYERS: 1.Body Skin: 1 2.Face Skin Tones: 1 3.Eyes: 2: 100,0,-20 4.Eyebrows: 54: 83,0,-4 5.Eyelashes: default 6.Lips: 1: 98,0,-62 7.Teeth: default 8.Hair: 8: 83,-100,-89 9.Body Hair: default 10.Underwear: default 11. Arm Accessories: 5: -100,-70,-100,100 12. Shoes: 21: -100,-100,-82 13. Gloves: 9: -13,-77,-89 14. Men's Bottoms: 25: -13,-77,-89 15. Arm Tattoos: Both: 133: -100,47,-15,11 16. Arm Tattoos: Both: 8: -19,-100,-28,25 17. Arm Tattoos: Both: 122: -17,-97,-100,25 18. Arm Tattoos: Both: 67: -100,-98,-34,25 19. Torso Design: 1 : Place Near on top of neck. -100,-100,-65,7 20. Torso Design: 17: Do the same thing but put it below layer 19. -19,-100,-54,4 21. Torso Design: 55: Place on top of layer 20. -100,-100,-43,5 22. Arm Tattoos: Left Arm: 16: -19,-100,-48,8 23. Leg Tattoos: Right Leg: 118: -100,-100,40,44 24. Make Up: 48: 94,-100,-100,89 25. Face Design: 95: Place under the right eye. Make it the tallest as it goes. -19,-100,-66,94 26. Face Design: 95: Place it under the previous layer and make the size the same. -19,-100,-100,94 27. Leg Tattoos: Right Leg: 147: -21,-100,35,52 28. Belts: 17: 100,0,-52,100 29. Left Leg Design: 132: Make the Height bigger by 1. Place it at the center of the leg. -100,24,-29,100 30. Left Leg: WWE: 12: Place center on Layer 29. -14,-100,15,100 31. Torso: Back: Design: 37: Make it small by 1 and place it center on the back of the neck. -19,-100,-35,0 32. Torso: WWE: 29: Place on the stomach above the belly button. -100,100,-54,0 Fighting Style: Grapple and Balanced Crowd Signs: Any Advanced: Aggressive,less,less,less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashing Dark Chicken Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 here's mine name:matt morgan nickname:the dark chicken /prefix anouncer:matthew state:tennesee male heavy:248 clean voice:4 raw hardcore head:default forehead:default brow:-14,44,0,72 eye:-4,-26,-27,0,0,0,0 nose:default cheek:default mouth:0,0,0,0,0,0,-100 jAW:default ear:default age:o body type:2 all default exept neck:-100,10,5 height:6'2 skin:3/92,0,-3 face skin:1 eye:2/100,0,-30 brow:1 lip:1 hair:3/97,-20,-12 b. hair:default underwear:defAULT ________________________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________-_ other facial hair:19/92,0,-100,0 goatee:11/90,-36,-84,75 sideburn:9/89,-12,-26,100 elbow pad:2/default ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ face paint: 27:-35,-55,-49,100 36:-30,-94,-39,100 44:-37,100,-5,100 ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ shoes:2: black glove:7:-13,-78,-74 men bottom:29:pattern 12:-26,100,-4 arm tat:66:-33,-100,-100,22 arm tat:1:-100,100,-10,12 men clothes:18:-32,100,-41 belts:11:white wwe:23/make biggest both ways put in midle of shirt/white design:128:default size:put under wwe so they touch/wehite make-up:62:94,0,-100,100 moveset:use john cena's with these changes: taunt:taunt mysterio 1,beat chest 1,taunt bussaw 1,taunt extreme 1 diving stand:dive spear/dive rvd kick diving ground:dive moonsault 3/rolling thunder 1/diving headbutt running grapple:spear 3,germen suplex 3 finishers:f-u 2/frog splash pin 1 cobination:cena punch/kick to gut 2/dragon whip 1 <<<<use the mysterio taunt before he hits the frog splash use the beat chest taujnt after he hits the spear,kinda like kerio law or rhino entrence: stage:t.murdoch/stage kurt angle/room light 02/turn to camera 4 when he puts his arms up then set off pyro ramp:s. benjamin/r.light 02 kurt angle/room .light 02 snitsky/ring pyro 5/r light 02/turn to cam 4 when opens mouth first time that is when pyro shoots music:music 04///movie:matt hardy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⊗ Volrath ⊗ Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Reserve one spot for me please, I am going to copy the formula of my caw from the PS2 to computer but first I got to go to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.:Deadman Inc:. Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Meh why not [url="http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=jamie_lucas"]http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=jamie_lucas[/url] cba to type moveset so use Johnny Nitro's can't remember attributes, but he's 91 and has durability,submission and strength as high as possible for a light heavyweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mani-Man Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 If its possible i wanna be in this tornament [url="http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?showtopic=166979"]My caw[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickothrottle Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Joe Bruiser [url="http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?showtopic=72554&st=0&p=1206812&#entry1206812"]http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?showtopic=7...p;#entry1206812[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 1 Man Horror Movie Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 You can add in a caw of mine aswell [url="http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=2612521"]VAYNE [/url] I've yet to see him in action against other peoples caws, so this will be a true test for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Genesis Payne Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 If you have room left. Enter Brandon Payne in as well please. [url="http://caws.ws/forum/index.php?act=findpost&pid=2913111"]Brandon Payne CAW[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#@?WHY_so_SERIOUS?@# Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 54321: [url="http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=54321"]http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=54321[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullfrog Posted October 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 I want to thank all who signed up. we have only one spot left and when some one fills that up, i will need time to make all the caws, and we need to wait for equaleyez and †Volrath †to send in there caws untill then, thank you all -Bullfrog ps: if i had to chose 3 people who whould win, it would be 1.steel dragon 2.54321 3.jamie lucas untill i make all the caws you can pick who you think will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chivalry Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Well I'll give the last one! Employment application name: Johnny Chivalry HUD: Johnny Announcer introduction: John Hometown: Parts uknown Weight class: Light heavyweight Tactic: Clean Show: Doesn't matter Voice: Doesn't matter Those what aren't said leave deafault Head: -2,-3,0 Eyebrows: 11,0,0,0 Eyes: 11,31,11,0,-25,0,0 Nose: 0,25,-2,19,23,8,22,-22 Cheeks: -11,0,0 Mouth:0,0,17,0,0,0,2 Jaw: -39,0,0,-6,0,0 Body type:0 Neck:-6,0,0 Chest: -6,3,-3 Shoulder: -100,0,0 Arms: -6,-11,-11 Body Height: 6'10" click once -> Body skin 1: 90,0,0 Faceskin tone 1 Eyes 1:-31,19,-19 Eyebrows 33: 89,0,11 Hair 5: 85,-14,20 Make up 18: Biggest style 90,0,-2,100 Make up 22: 1 click -> for right style 89,-15,2,100 Attire: Upper body: Mensclothes 18: -100,-100,-100 [url="http://by121w.bay121.mail.live.com/att/GetAttachment.aspx?tnail=0&messageId=76e48f58-c76a-4605-a90c-76a73a69b8bb&Aux=0|0|8C9E3DD5AA05580|"]http://by121w.bay121.mail.live.com/att/Get...C9E3DD5AA05580|[/url] This is the logo of Chivalry's. This comes to the front of the shirt. In the Middle Logos->Torso->Front->Sign-> page 3 second row first sign largest size: -23,-100,0,100 Logos->Torso->Front->Sign-> page 3 second row second sign largest sized rotate once and put in the middle of the first sign. Same color. Elbow pads 2: 13,-100,-74,100 right hand only. Elbow pads 1: -100,31,-28,100 Right hand only. wrist bands 21: -100,32,-27 Gloves 9: -100,-100,-76 both hands. Arm tattoo 133: -100,-100,-100,15 Lower Body: Socks 18 Shoes 20 Mens bottoms 1:-100,-100,-76 Move set: ring in: slide in ring out: quick ring-out Taunts: Right & Left Raise arm 4 Dancing 2 Taunt rowdy fighting stance orton Strikes: strong right punch toe kick 1 back chop 3 dropkick 2 smash right punch strong spinning elbow grapple: quick: backhand blow back chop 6 body knee strike headlock takeover submission: suplex 1 hammerlock leglock 1 headlock 2 sleeper hol category 1: Brawler arm wrench double knee attack headbutt 1 outlaw knee strike clean: piledriver ddt 13 suplex 7 gutbuster 2 backchop 7 dirty: default Category 2: technical samoan drop 2 backsuplex 2 backbreaker 2 suplex 3 dragon screw grapple behind back suplex 4 ddt 17 edge o' matic ric flair attack ground strike: angry stomp senton elbow drop 1 grapple: dragonsleeper 3 alternative foot stamp finishing leg drop back chop 8 sharpshooter deathlock kick to groin corner attack: clothesline & bulldog shining wizard 2 knee attack 1 grapple: diamond dust flipping slam super tiger bomb ddt 19 grapple from behind double axe handle 6 rebound suplex super tornadobomb rolling powerbomb sitting corner grapple alley oop bomb Groggy on ropes slingshot suplex Extreme forearm smash slingshot body splash vaulting body press diving out of ring rope flip 1 diving vs standing diving clothesline missile dropkick diving vs down diving elbow drop diving moon sault 1 diving elbow dash elbow attack 5 clothesline 9 coconuts crash extreme neckbreaker drop neckbreaker 9 bulldog 5 senton elbow drop 6 flackjack 3 neckbreaker 5 tag team default finisher: facebuster 2: Heavy metal Tigerbomb 1: Hard rock combo: brother snap jab x2 , smash right punch Entrance: Stage: shane mcmahon Ramp: Rey-rey In-Ring: Orton Ring: Hardcore holly Video: WWE Legends Music: Music 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snack Toxin Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 How this got past me I shall never know. Unfortunately, whilst it is a good idea, this isn't the right place to host it. I'm afraid I'm going to have to move it to the right section. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⊗ Volrath ⊗ Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Employment application name: Volrath HUD: Shadow Announcer introduction: Any Hometown: Parts unknown Weight class: heavyweight Tactic: Clean Show: Smackdown Voice: 5 My caw is a bit too simple. The body must be the most slim as possible, all the layers there are: underpants, etc must be as black as possible, the body parts also must be as black possible too, the eyes must be red, and you need to put hair 5 and it must be black too. Sorry for taking too long, If you got problems on creating the caw please pm me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullfrog Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 [quote name='1337 Kingpin' post='3075116' date='Oct 23 2007, 06:55 PM']How this got past me I shall never know. Unfortunately, whilst it is a good idea, this isn't the right place to host it. I'm afraid I'm going to have to move it to the right section. Sorry.[/quote] thank you alot, i know i should of posted it in svr07 chat, but i don't think that well, thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mani-Man Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Do you write a match report to the matches or just the results? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullfrog Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 [quote]Do you write a match report to the matches or just the results?[/quote] i will record the match(via computer) and show the pics(that i captured with a program) of the pinfall and highlights, because my dial-up takes forever to upload a video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Chivalry Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 So you play these or is it computer vs computer or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullfrog Posted October 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 [quote name='Johnny_Chivalry' post='3082621' date='Oct 24 2007, 07:15 PM']So you play these or is it computer vs computer or what?[/quote] its com vs. com. the key factors will be weight of CAW, and power of finisher and if the finisher has a auto pin like tombstone piledriver pin. the tournament will go day 1 the fisrt 7 matches day 2 the semi-semi finals day 3 the semi-finals day 4 the finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
equaleyez Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 I can proabbly type my from/moveset/entrance/attributes by Friday or Saturday. Is that good or do you want me to do it sooner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⊗ Volrath ⊗ Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 [quote name='.:Deadman Inc:.' post='3065320' date='Oct 22 2007, 07:44 AM']Meh why not[url="http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=jamie_lucas"]http://caws.ws/svr2007/show.php?cat=caws&s=jamie_lucas[/url]cba to type moveset so use Johnny Nitro'scan't remember attributes, but he's 91 and has durability,submission and strength as high as possible for a light heavyweight[/quote]That the best wins! [quote name='equaleyez' post='3086023' date='Oct 25 2007, 01:56 AM']I can proabbly type my from/moveset/entrance/attributes by Friday or Saturday. Is that good or do you want me to do it sooner?[/quote]I think that it would be better sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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