.Nëro Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 One of today’s hot button topics is sexual assault, and rightfully so. It’s an era where nobody is safe and celebrities are being blamed every day for rape, sexual harassment, and assault. In some cases, like Bill Cosby for example, the celebrity is tried and even sentenced to prison. In this case however, our perpetrator is deceased, and he is former WWE star, Umaga. On a recent episode of Vince Russo’s podcast, Russo was talking about the era of celebrity assault when he mentioned that when working with WWE, a female wrestler came to him and told him that she was raped. Later, Martinez was a guest on the podcast where she said that she was almost raped in a WWE overseas tour, along with many other WWE divas at the time. The Samoan Bulldozer has been accused of sexual assault by former wrestling star, Shelly Martinez. Martinez claims that she was assaulted by Umaga on a WWE overseas tour and was told to cover it up. Now this could be a big news story potentially, so before I say more, here is the official statement from Martinez: “So what happened is that they separated us (Raw and Smackdown) and since I was in ECW what would happen is half of us would go with Raw and half of us to go with SmackDown. So when they separated us there was a group of guys who said ‘Our goal is to see who the first one to get with you is. I was like, ‘Dude it’s not ever going to happen,” So it became some sick game and the next thing I know it was after a show and we were partying or whatever and the only reason why I don’t say the names right now or haven’t yet publically is because there is a lot that I don’t remember and I don’t want to be saying stuff that I don’t remember. But I will say this and I’ve never said this before but there was a group of guys and one of them was Umaga and when they saw he was getting the most aggressive with me — they left and he got on top of me and I just prayed. One of my fears is being raped because when I was a little girl I had some sexual abuse stuff so it’s just something that I feared. So I prayed because he was a big guy. And I’m like, ‘Please don’t let this happen, please don’t let this happen.’ And it was one of those things where God gave me strength and I pushed him off of me and he fell to the floor and he got pissed and like left the room. The next thing I can remember is being at a show the next night and venting to my girlfriend Melina about it — not telling anyone else and then one of the guys yelled down, ‘Hey Melina, did you smarten her up yet?’ I was like, ‘smarten me up to what? To keep my mouth shut?!’ So I went right up to his face and I said I didn’t tell anyone except for her and I can’t remember everything else I said when I got in his face. A lot of this I didn’t remember until a couple years ago and I was totally suppressing it.” Her story can be confusing at times and Umaga is not here to defend himself anymore, but this story is extremely sad and alarming nonetheless. Rape is never okay, and to see that it might have happened in the WWE locker room at some point is unacceptable. Martinez claims that other females at the time were also assaulted. It seems like there’s a lot of investigating to be done now, but if these reports are true, this would be absolutely devastating. Umaga was integral in getting the Usos into pro wrestling, along with carrying his famous bloodline through the business, but this attempted rape allegation could ruin his reputation as a late, great, performer. Nero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Damn Umaga thats some gross ass shit Why is it so *censored*ing creepy behind the scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nerd Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Tacky af. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Why in the absolute hell are The Usos brought up in this report? That is so *censored*ing dirty. They have nothing to do with it even bringing them up in relation to a rape may lead to something those two will never get away from in their careers. *Censored* that site for adding that at the end. Was that you, Nero? The lack of quotations is not helping. I hope to god that is not the reporters doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Vercetti Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Blame Ethan Absler https://www.ewrestlingnews.com/news/deceased-wwe-star-umaga-accused-of-sexual-assault-on-shelly-martinez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 I am honestly not sure how I feel about this. On one hand if this is true then *Censored* Umaga. Rape has no place in this world. On the other though, the only thing worse than rape is someone who lies about being raped in an awful attempt to gain cheap sympathy or ruin someone's reputation. In that case *Censored* Shelly for being a lying bitch and trying to drag someone's name through the mud for no reason, even worse that Umaga is no longer here to defend himself. I wanna see how this story plays out before I jump on either side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 "Where nobody is safe?" The *Censored*? People who don't sexually assault or rape others are safe, while those who actually aren't safe. Simple as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Yeah, as EJ said, Shelly has nothing to gain from accusing Umaga of assault. Most women tend to get their names dragged through the mud just for speaking up, they have little to gain. EVen if there is proof that Umaga did assault Shelly, I'm pretty sure she'll still get shit for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Why in the absolute hell are The Usos brought up in this report? That is so *censored*ing dirty. They have nothing to do with it even bringing them up in relation to a rape may lead to something those two will never get away from in their careers. *Censored* that site for adding that at the end. Was that you, Nero? The lack of quotations is not helping. I hope to god that is not the reporters doing. It's the site. Here is a link to the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted October 15, 2018 Report Share Posted October 15, 2018 Yeah, as EJ said, Shelly has nothing to gain from accusing Umaga of assault. Most women tend to get their names dragged through the mud just for speaking up, they have little to gain. EVen if there is proof that Umaga did assault Shelly, I'm pretty sure she'll still get shit for that. She also mention telling Melina, so Melina could verify that part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one.Nope. Yup. If you believe that just because a woman says she was raped by guy who cannot defend himself now that it is automatically true and that they are not capable of going for extremely desperate measures to get headlines then I feel really sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one. There are other ways to do that that won't actually harm her. Women who come forward even with proof still get attacked and get criticized. A lady who outed Roy Moore got her house burned down, even.... Yeah, as EJ said, Shelly has nothing to gain from accusing Umaga of assault. Most women tend to get their names dragged through the mud just for speaking up, they have little to gain. EVen if there is proof that Umaga did assault Shelly, I'm pretty sure she'll still get shit for that. She also mention telling Melina, so Melina could verify that part. She can. Problem is, will Melina tell the truth or not? Will the other wrestlers who knew about Umaga tell the truth or not? Truth could be that Shelly was lying or that Umaga is a rapist/sex offender, for all we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 I'd say that the whole wanting to get back in the headlines-thing isn't worth it when you do it through accusing anyone of rape, as that comes with intense scrutiny and possibly a complete assassination of one's character which can be quite much to bear to say the least. Not to mention online backlash from insane fans. When Shelly is targeting a dead guy working in a business where said dead guy's family's ties run deep, it really doesn't seem like there's much to gain here. Looking at the many famous rape accusations of the current era, how many were actually completely fabricated to begin with? Not to pick a side, but it does sound unlikely to me that anyone would make up a fake story about getting raped by a guy who is now dead, just to get attention. Let's see where this leads to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Thats horrible if true but dude is dead so i mean i dont know what can come from this at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Jiggy is on point. As he pointed out, she wanted to get her name out there, accusing Umaga of rape isn't a good way of doing it. Like, if she wanted do shamelessly get her name in the spotlight, theres like a multitude of scrutiny-free (or not as much scrutiny-giving) methods she could have done so. I'd see where this goes as Jiggy said, if it can go anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Thats horrible if true but dude is dead so i mean i dont know what can come from this at this point.If she was forced to cover it up and keep quiet, it could lead to a shitstorm. Some heads could roll. Remember the stories of Orton ribbing divas? Or approaching people with his dick out? What if this is the start of a whole lot of bad shit coming out? Which, ironically, kind of vindicates Hulk Hogan when he said modern wrestlers don't understand the value of having each other's backs, because people start dry-snitching about the really *censored*ed up things that happened behind the scenes. Of course, we have no idea if stuff like that happened in the WWE around that time or any time recently, but part of #MeToo is also, I feel, addressing abusive behaviour that wasn't seen as abusive (enough) by standards at that time, but definitely is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one. There are other ways to do that that won't actually harm her. Women who come forward even with proof still get attacked and get criticized. A lady who outed Roy Moore got her house burned down, even.... Yeah, as EJ said, Shelly has nothing to gain from accusing Umaga of assault. Most women tend to get their names dragged through the mud just for speaking up, they have little to gain. EVen if there is proof that Umaga did assault Shelly, I'm pretty sure she'll still get shit for that. She also mention telling Melina, so Melina could verify that part. She can. Problem is, will Melina tell the truth or not? Will the other wrestlers who knew about Umaga tell the truth or not? Truth could be that Shelly was lying or that Umaga is a rapist/sex offender, for all we know. What ways are there that are as effective as a claim as serious as this though? Yeah I do see your point in that second sentence though. As it stands right now, the truth could go either way. That second paragraph is the smartest ting I have seen in this thread so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one.Nope.Yup. If you believe that just because a woman says she was raped by guy who cannot defend himself now that it is automatically true and that they are not capable of going for extremely desperate measures to get headlines then I feel really sorry for you. I believe that if you believe that the goal is fame, you need to pay more attention. She is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize for this, nor will police dig Umagas bones up and slap handcuffs on them. If you havent noticed, we are within a movement, a movement that is likely what gave Shelly the courage to do this. Nobody wants to be famous for rape, are you kidding me? She is either that girl that got raped by Umaga or that girl who lied about being raped by Umaga, both reputations are shitty but one more favorable than the other so why even dabble with this if you arent being truthful, especially considering the way society feels about defaming dead people? The argument that these women just want headlines at the risk of their own sanity and safety is honestly lame and shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one. There are other ways to do that that won't actually harm her. Women who come forward even with proof still get attacked and get criticized. A lady who outed Roy Moore got her house burned down, even.... Yeah, as EJ said, Shelly has nothing to gain from accusing Umaga of assault. Most women tend to get their names dragged through the mud just for speaking up, they have little to gain. EVen if there is proof that Umaga did assault Shelly, I'm pretty sure she'll still get shit for that. She also mention telling Melina, so Melina could verify that part. She can. Problem is, will Melina tell the truth or not? Will the other wrestlers who knew about Umaga tell the truth or not? Truth could be that Shelly was lying or that Umaga is a rapist/sex offender, for all we know. What ways are there that are as effective as a claim as serious as this though? Yeah I do see your point in that second sentence though. As it stands right now, the truth could go either way. That second paragraph is the smartest ting I have seen in this thread so far. So many ways where she's not as likely to be character assassinated or potentially see abuse from others. Given how survivors are treated, it makes no sense for Shelly to come out with a fake accusation, especially against a popular wrestler who passed away. WWE could even try to protect Umaga, and if they do, they'd have more financial means to take it to court, which Shelly probably doesn't have. Anyway, Jiggy and EJ summed up my thoughts perfectly. Main reason why women were initially scared to come forward is because of reactions like yours, where they might not be believed and might see violence or consequences of some sort. Even men who are guilty are more likely to get away with rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one.Nope.Yup. If you believe that just because a woman says she was raped by guy who cannot defend himself now that it is automatically true and that they are not capable of going for extremely desperate measures to get headlines then I feel really sorry for you.I believe that if you believe that the goal is fame, you need to pay more attention. She is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize for this, nor will police dig Umagas bones up and slap handcuffs on them. If you havent noticed, we are within a movement, a movement that is likely what gave Shelly the courage to do this. Nobody wants to be famous for rape, are you kidding me? She is either that girl that got raped by Umaga or that girl who lied about being raped by Umaga, both reputations are shitty but one more favorable than the other so why even dabble with this if you arent being truthful, especially considering the way society feels about defaming dead people? The argument that these women just want headlines at the risk of their own sanity and safety is honestly lame and shallow.I never said she was going to get a Nobel Prize or anything, I just said it was the easiest way to get headlines on oneself, even if it is just for the short term. There are plenty of cases where a woman accused a man of rape, only for it to turn out she was lying about the whole thing for fame, money and attenion, the case of Brian Banks for one. Heck, it does not even need to be about the headlines, as has been said earlier, Umaga was part of a major wresrling family, including a leading hollywood actor. Easy money right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ! Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 What is there to gain from accusing a beloved dead person of rape? That is almost asking to be slandered nonstop. She has no reason to lie here imo. That is one intense fire for a person to go out of their way to jump in to. But yeah that writer is garbage, I didnt even read the stuff outside the quote till now. What reason? She wants to be back in the headlines. What better way to do that than a nice rape accusation? Even better to pick a dead person who cannot defend himself. Granted, if more people come forward to back her up, such as Melina verifying her role in the story, I will have no problem believing Umaga is a scumbag, but until then, there are two sides to this story and have only heard one.Nope.Yup. If you believe that just because a woman says she was raped by guy who cannot defend himself now that it is automatically true and that they are not capable of going for extremely desperate measures to get headlines then I feel really sorry for you.I believe that if you believe that the goal is fame, you need to pay more attention. She is not getting a Nobel Peace Prize for this, nor will police dig Umagas bones up and slap handcuffs on them. If you havent noticed, we are within a movement, a movement that is likely what gave Shelly the courage to do this. Nobody wants to be famous for rape, are you kidding me? She is either that girl that got raped by Umaga or that girl who lied about being raped by Umaga, both reputations are shitty but one more favorable than the other so why even dabble with this if you arent being truthful, especially considering the way society feels about defaming dead people? The argument that these women just want headlines at the risk of their own sanity and safety is honestly lame and shallow.I never said she was going to get a Nobel Prize or anything, I just said it was the easiest way to get headlines on oneself, even if it is just for the short term. There are plenty of cases where a woman accused a man of rape, only for it to turn out she was lying about the whole thing for fame, money and attenion, the case of Brian Banks for one. Heck, it does not even need to be about the headlines, as has been said earlier, Umaga was part of a major wresrling family, including a leading hollywood actor. Easy money right there. Ryder, this is literally the opposite of easy money. Umaga is dead. Shelly cant prove shit. His big ass family doesn't even have to make a statement or anything, they can keep it moving and wash their hands of all of this because if true, Umaga was a grown man acting on his own. So again, Shelly has nothing to gain here. None of the bullshit that comes with stepping forward is worth it, especially since she is not getting money from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted October 16, 2018 Report Share Posted October 16, 2018 Not to defend Umaga if he DID indeed do anything, but reading her story, did she say he even raped her? I mean I guess it implies that he was going to, but it just says he was on top of her and she pushed him off. Not saying thats right either, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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