1. The legal system is beyond screwed. I'm not denying people who are actually guilty get away, and those should be taken care of. I could easily flip that point around and point out that there are people who say "but real rapes!" even if the accused is 100% innocent.
2. Go ahead, I have nothing to hide myself, and I agree that was awful.
3. Even 2% is still way too damn high, and what about unreported false rape accusations? Stop moving the goalposts. As for proof of the consequences of false rape accusations:
I could go on, but I think the point's been made.
4. When I said that victims who have been sexually assaulted matter less than victims of false accusations? Both matter. It's disturbing you keep denying the falsely accused. Everyone knows how traumatising rape is, but ignores false accusations until it hits them personally.
5. Did you even read the very first article I posted? That step in the right direction is getting rid of those kangaroo courts universities use that punish the innocent and protect the guilty in favour of an actual proper court of law.
6. There is no reason not to lie either. Take Jenna Beale for instance. 10 years for trying to ruin 9 guy's lives, in other words a year and bit for each guy. Compared to the average sentence most people found guilty of serial rape get and it's horrifying.
7. So the trauma and wanting to commit suicide don't matter? Obviously it's a case by case issue but those themes are prevalent on both reddits I posted. Heck, support for the accused isn't even full stories. On the front page alone there is a meme and someone asking for help with being accused of selling counterfeit tickets, not rape.
8. I agree that it shouldn't be a "this or that", you are the person turning it into one. "People who don't care about women or want to defend men" nice to see you care about same-sex or woman-on-man rape. "Most men" dont just shrug off and recover from a false accusation, especially if their job involves being around women, children or the vulnerable. No school is going to employ a teacher with a rape on his record, even if said rape is false. No store is going to employ someone with a sexual assault charge.
1. Legal system is screwed, and it's why we need to focus on getting the guilty punished unless we can focus on false accusations as well and not call every accusation as false. Flipping it around doesn't help your argument when the guilty is rarely punished, and there's only very few instances of false accusations actually ruining lives.
2. I dunno man, you're way too obsessed with going after false accusations and seem not to care about victims.
3. Two percent is still pretty low enough compared to the amount of rapists and sexual offenders walking free. What do you mean by unreported false rape accusations? Your point hasn't really been made, because again, 2% of false accusations is nothing to majority of women being assaulted or harassed while seeing no justice. Few instances of false accusations ruining lives doesn't change the fact that actual accusations rarely ruin lives. Brett Kavanaugh for example was still nominated to Supreme Court while Trump became a president despite accusations. I could name far more instances of rapists and sexual assaulters getting away.
4. You continuously imply it with your tunnel vision on false rape accusations. People continuously make that well-known when they continuously harp on and on about false rape accusations without even mentioning or worrying about actual rape stats and data, and ignoring the rape victims. It's hard to believe them as it is, and focusing on false rape accusations sadly makes it harder to believe them, hence why I don't support focusing on both at the same time. You don't seem to know how traumatizing rape is, you don't understand a bit of how traumatizing it is, and you yourself admitted you don't know any victim of rape to really understand why we're more concerned about rape than we are about false accusations.
5. Don't remember. Either way, doesn't change what I said. Too much focus on false accusations when proven accusations barely do anything. Hell, no matter what the world sees, there are still tons of people that blame women and refuse to do anything to make the world safer for them. Until that happens or people stop trying to defend rapists, the issue of false accusation shouldn't come before the issue of rape and the issue of the guilty getting away with it.
6. There are reasons not to lie - name gets dragged through mud, your past gets brought up, etc. I think more white women have accused black men of rape falsely and have won because the law does not care about black men, but if more of them did it to white men, they'd be more likely to lose. Ten years is a good punishment, while most serial rapists seem to serve about 5-6 years despite being sentenced for about 10 years or so, on average for both.
7. So the trauma of being falsely accused is more important than the trauma of being attacked and raped? Having your body defiled and attacked? Being assaulted? Nearly being killed? The fear that you may get killed? Pretty sure most men don't walk around being scared of falsely accused (even though as I said, we're more likely to be sexually assaulted than falsely accused), but I know most women live in fear of being raped or kidnapped or even killed. Ruth George in Chicago for example was killed a week or so ago for ignoring a man's catcalls.
8. I explained why. It'd be nice to focus on both, but all it takes is a judge to just say false accusation (even with proof) for people to say other accusations are false as well. Dunno about you, but the violence is way worse. I care more about same-sex rape and women-on-men/boys rape than most men saying "men too!" How often have I seen victims like Terry Crews be attacked when they came forward with men assaulting them? Or men wishing they were the boys who were raped by female teachers in high school, just because those teachers are attractive? Women get away with rape because of men, and men get away with rape because of men. Pretty sure schools and stores will still employ these people. Can't be assed to look it up now.
"There's nothing jokey about false rape accusations" Rich coming from a guy whose very first word on the subject was "lulz".
Do we really need to make this a dick measuring contest on what is worse? Both are appalling. And the guilty getting away with either crime is heinous. Be it Brock Turner or the Duke lacrosse case.
When I have said one is worse than the other? Although if you want my answer false accusations are worse for three very simple reasons:
A: You are wrecking innocent lives
B: You are taking time and resources away from true victims of rape and those who do truly need it
C: You are making it harder for true victims to be believed
How anyone can say anything is worse than B or C I do not know.
I didn't get that vibe from your post, considering it started with "lulz" and seemed generally negative on the issue. I do apologise if I read it wrong though.
I keep arguing and pushing false accusations for reasons A-C above. If they weren't an issue I wouldn't be pushing false accusations so much.
Again, I haven't been downplaying real rapes, that's the whole reason I push doing something about false accusations, to make it easier for true victims to be believed and for them to have more time and resources available for their cases that aren't being wasted on lying parasites. From I read the stat went 5% of rape cases are proven false, 5% true, and an extremely alarming 90% we never know the truth. I don't know about you, but that we need to focus on getting that 90% right down.
I genuinely hope you or no one else you know are ever falsely accused. I have seen the effects of one and that's all I'll say on that.
And the falsely accused don't like being pushed back with being told they're a minor percentage or that they're guilty anyway.
Lulz at your post being yet again about false accusations and not caring about actual victims of rape. Most talks of false accusations are usually made to argue against rape and victims, not in support of victims of false accusations.
No, because rape is way worse, as well as guilty rapists getting away, regardless of gender. Again, showing your ignorance in regards to actual victims of rape and sexual assault.
B & C - people generally don't believe victims anyway or try to help them or provide resources. False accusations may provide more ammunitions, but not as much.
No, you keep doing that out of bias because of someone you know, and because you understand nothing about what it's like for victims of rape to live with the experience while they see their rapists walk away free. There's no justice there, and the victims are often the ones attacked by others. Brock Turner's victim, Chanel Miller, was criticized and blamed for her rape. India decided to blame women having cell phones and wearing jeans for their rape as well as the rape epidemic, and I think tried to or successfully passed laws to prevent women from having cell phones.
Fact is, there could be 0 false accusation in the past century or maybe one, and people would still bring that up or pretend like false accusations is common or constantly happens, like people did with transgender women using women's bathrooms. Victims won't be believed regardless of % of false accusations, because people don't want to believe it.
Er, pretty sure we do know the truth for most of the 90%, but the society is way too obsessed with protecting men. Willing to bet at least 90% are proven rapes.
And the victims of rape don't like seeing their rapists walk away while people focus on false accusations despite that being extremely rare. And victims who have accused (claimed to be false accusations) don't like seeing false accusations be brought up when they were called liars because of cops trying to protect the rapists, the judge caring more about the rapists' future, or family and friends refusing to believe them because the rapists "seem like nice guys."
But whatever, you do you.