Undercard Jamoke Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Some WWE PPVs like The Royal Rumble, Summerslam, and Wrestlemania can be well over 4 hours including the pre-show. Do you think the long length of these shows hurt the product? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Do they hurt the product? Not inherently, there are people who could fill that time frame with a well structured and written show. However, do WWE hurt themselves by making these big shows and then struggle to pack them with quality wrestling and story telling? Yes. RAWs and Smackdowns are often a struggle for WWE so they really shouldn't keep overestimating and overextending their own reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 I don't mind the big 4 ppvs being extra long. I don't know if hurts wwe but it doesn't hurt me except 3 hours of Raw. 2 hour weekly shows, 3 hour ppvs with 4 for major ones like the Rumble, WM and Summer Slam is fine by me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 As long as theres plenty of matches to fill the time then i dont have a issue with long shows. But when they pack in like 20 video packages and promos and bullshit to waste time, that i hate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 No, plenty of matches to fill time is not the right answer. Anyone can fill a 4 hour show with WWE's roster. It's building a good card, building too a good card and executing a good card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Nah. Just poorly structured. WWE has Main Event matches open up their PPV, effectivelly giving some people in the crowd the match they came for, resulting in them not really carring as much for other stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 As long as theres plenty of matches to fill the time then i dont have a issue with long shows. But when they pack in like 20 video packages and promos and bullshit to waste time, that i hate. Mizs WM video package was the most memorable part of WM that year. Not the matches. They are not the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted February 9, 2018 Report Share Posted February 9, 2018 Promos and packages are an essential part of wrestling. If they are used to fill time then yeah, it's annoying, but shows with just matches are so dull. Even NJPW have short packages. WWE promo packages are some of the best things they do tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGreymon77 Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Pre-show matches should not be a thing. If you've got a 4 hour show and you can't fit all the matches, you're doing it wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT. Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 No, I don't think they're too long, but I think they focus too much on show and not enough on actual wrestling. I'm honestly waiting for Triple H to take over and refocus the show to be about wrestling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 As long as theres plenty of matches to fill the time then i dont have a issue with long shows. But when they pack in like 20 video packages and promos and bullshit to waste time, that i hate.Mizs WM video package was the most memorable part of WM that year. Not the matches. They are not the answer. It needs to be balanced then. Royal Rumble last year was a perfect example of too much promo package stalling. There shouldnt be a half hour between matches either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT. Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Pre-show matches should not be a thing. If you've got a 4 hour show and you can't fit all the matches, you're doing it wrong. The pre-matches serve as a teaser to try and get viewers, so I don't mind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Pre-show matches should not be a thing. If you've got a 4 hour show and you can't fit all the matches, you're doing it wrong. Nah you have it wrong. It's not that they can't fit pre-show matches on the main card, it's that they don't want them on the main card. They are essentially dark matches to warm up the crowd, those things have existed in wrestling since it came to television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 No, I don't think they're too long, but I think they focus too much on show and not enough on actual wrestling. I'm honestly waiting for Triple H to take over and refocus the show to be about wrestling. Eww. They are already all wrestling, less show. I do not know where people are getting that idea from. I dont remember the last time a WWE event had an angle or heated in-ring segment. And Id actually argue that the Takeovers tend to have more angles than WWE events have these days. The last 3 for example have all ended with a cliffhanger of sorts. Not to mention that NXT has actual characters who progress. The primary difference is that the wrestling in NXT differs greatly from the style on the main roster so you tend to notice it more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Too long? No. Too boring? Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 NXT for me gets it perfect. Great wrestling but every single superstar gets time and character progression as well. The fact that a 2 hour ppv with 5 matches 99% percent of the time leaves you satisfied by the end is a damn good testiment to the booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Creep's right. Having pre-show matches aren't a bad thing. They've been around for ages. I'm sure pre-show matches are just televised nowadays to allow those lower-tier stars or whatever to gain more exposure from the audience. As far as PPVs possibly being too long, I don't think they are too long at all. The problem, is the content that's filled within those 2.5 to 4 hours. Nowadays, a lot of these 2.5+ hour PPV shows are filled with content that fails to keep the viewer's interest for the majority of the show. Therefore, it causes the show to feel a lot longer than it actually is. It drags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Creep's right. Having pre-show matches aren't a bad thing. They've been around for ages. I'm sure pre-show matches are just televised nowadays to allow those lower-tier stars or whatever to gain more exposure from the audience. As far as PPVs possibly being too long, I don't think they are too long at all. The problem, is the content that's filled within those 2.5 to 4 hours. Nowadays, a lot of these 2.5+ hour PPV shows are filled with content that fails to keep the viewer's interest for the majority of the show. Therefore, it causes the show to feel a lot longer than it actually is. It drags. You'd think someone who considers them self a WCW mark, presumably a wrestling fan for a long time, would understand the basic reasoning for having matches and how wrestling shows are structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeShmoee Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 I dont think the big four are too long but I do think theres entirely too many PPVs. Each month should have one big event. Two months really is barely enough time to build some storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Some WWE PPVs like The Royal Rumble, Summerslam, and Wrestlemania can be well over 4 hours including the pre-show. Excluding the pre-show* As long as theres plenty of matches to fill the time then i dont have a issue with long shows. But when they pack in like 20 video packages and promos and bullshit to waste time, that i hate. Dude, that is so noticeable on single branded PPVs, it's so annoying. They're on their own network why do they feel the need to stall for time so much? I'm sure there wouldn't be an outcry against the Network if some shows ended half an hour earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Creep's right. Having pre-show matches aren't a bad thing. They've been around for ages. I'm sure pre-show matches are just televised nowadays to allow those lower-tier stars or whatever to gain more exposure from the audience. Plus consider pre-show matches for WrestleMania. They allow a couple more guys to get a match at Mania itself that otherwise, they just wouldn't get. Sure, it sucked for Kalisto/Ryback 2 years ago when the stadium was like 75% empty (even though I'm sure they preferred that to not having a Mania match at all), but this past year it was filled up and ready the moment Neville vs Aries started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 WWE have had this problem mainly with RAW for a while now. Although I see a lot of people moaning about "six hour PPVs". No one says you have to watch the pre and post shows lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 Thats how I have always looked at it. I can probably count on one hand the amount of pre-show matches I have watched. Unless I am watching the main shows with friends, I can easily skip through what I want to see and what I dont. Like nobody is forcing fans to watch all the shit they put put... And even if you do skip main card stuff, this is not Breaking Bad or Daredevil. It is not even a proper episodic wrestling show at this point. You dont miss a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 WWE have had this problem mainly with RAW for a while now. Although I see a lot of people moaning about "six hour PPVs". No one says you have to watch the pre and post shows lol lol don't complain lol no one says you have to watch the shows at all lol lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muur Posted February 10, 2018 Report Share Posted February 10, 2018 WWE have had this problem mainly with RAW for a while now. Although I see a lot of people moaning about "six hour PPVs". No one says you have to watch the pre and post shows lol lol don't complain lol no one says you have to watch the shows at all lol lol Good job I only watch Youtube highlights of stuff I'm interested in, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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