Crazy. Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm not exactly a Balor fan but lol @ saying he isn't that over. And lol @ using "gets concussed by Jinder Mahal" to argue he isn't over. Also lol @ nothing feud. Don't think there's anyone on this forum that finds Bray more boring than I do and even I can see it wasn't a "nothing feud". Dragged out, yes. Seriously, man, comparing his case to Sandow might be the most random comparison I think I've ever read on here. There's like zero correlation. Nada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yeah, the gets concussed by Jinder Mahal part is legit the most random point to an argument I think I read on here. Zero correlation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Idk his. Oveer or not he is per say but he always been whatever to me. His,injury really killed any major,player role he could had when he first debut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Have to agree with Based Farfanoogin on that front. Have struggled to care about him since his return from injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Big difference between whatever to you and over as a star, smarty pants. Hes less than whatever to me. Really wouldnt care if he was released tomorrow. But he is certainly over... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 Personal bias doesnt mean someone isnt a big star. I cant stand Brock Lesnar but that doesnt mean hes not a big star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I just said that, Willow. Dont copy me to try and sound smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AONO. Posted November 21, 2017 Report Share Posted November 21, 2017 I'm sure many would disagree (obviously), but yeah, Finn isn't THAT over for a decent Royal Rumble match with Lesnar. Not sure about Vince or not, but I can eally see it without them popping that in my head. Yeah he gets some decent entrance pops, but when you actually look for it in matches... it's not that unbeliavable. So I don't get the whole "you're delusional" type of responses. He really los his aura and everything after the injury, and a lot of it has to do with his booking and their cluelesness with what to do with him, othern than "demon vs bray writtes itself or whatever". I've personally lost a great degree of interest in seeing Lesnar vs Finn, and a lot has to do with the fact that there is no way in hell that Lesnar is losing (which was obvious since vs Joe and even more after Summerslam). Ok, you could say AJ had also no chance of winning, yet it was a great match. But that was a whole another ballgame. They've could have booked Finn vs Miz, and then a feud with Joe for the IC title, but the problem would be, what to do with Roman Reigns... which AGAIN leads to the question of how the whole damn RAW roster really does suffers this yeat (or more in the future) due to that match. Yeah, Finn really is over in a sense, but I don't get the point of completely dimsissing the fact that Vince doesn't see it. Because all you did Ceep was some remarks against certain posters. And it's not strictly an "attack" at you, even though the response at Lighting was just ugh. Tbh. to not see the difference between Finns "oversness" between now and a year earlier is kinda weird. And hey, it didn't say the completely scarpped the idea of Lesnar vs Finn. But whatever... There was no doubt that Lesnar wouldn't lose untill Wrestlemania. At least after Summerslam , if not before. Again, AJ match was a different story. When Finn came, the questions was "What0s he gonna win next?", now it's "where the hell are they gonna place him next?" EDIT: Sorry Creep if it's too long again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Wtf has this topic become? Balor is kinda over but he's not the top babyface on Raw, overness wise. Lesnar, Braun, Rollins and Dean are all more over than him. He's not as over as a top guy should be, if that's what Vince thinks he's right. It's pretty clear why that is and there's a possibility that he could be much more over by the time the Rumble comes around but if they've given up on that Brock match that will most likely not be the case. His feud with Bray wasnt "nothing" because you dont like Bray. Its was a good midcard feud and put Balor over strong. LMFAOOOOOOOO I'm sure many would disagree (obviously), but yeah, Finn isn't THAT over for a decent Royal Rumble match with Lesnar. Not sure about Vince or not, but I can eally see it without them popping that in my head. Yeah he gets some decent entrance pops, but when you actually look for it in matches... it's not that unbeliavable. So I don't get the whole "you're delusional" type of responses. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 The issue was with Lightnings arguments more than anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I'm pretty sure calling Lightning delusional was much more to do with the fact that he compared him to Sandow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackalicious Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Lightning take the L, Austin Farfanoogin did better than you, you know you lost when that happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I honesty wonder if they were going,give an styles like push for Finn if it wasn't,for the injury I mean you could tell they have major plans for him to have him,win the first ever World title in your pay-per-view debut match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Part of me wonders if Finn is only being marginally pushed because of the merchandise he shifts, if they don't trust him to be worthy of a match to put Lesnar over (and Raw spoiler decisively losing to Joe didn't help his momentum either. At this point they could do one of three creative things with him, 1: Finally put him with Gallows and Anderson and print merchandise money for a few months at least. 2: Switch him to Smackdown to capitalise on that match with Shinsuke that they teased. Which was one of the hottest reactions of the PPV. 3: Use him to put people over - a midcard mechanic who can have a great match with anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Kinda off topic but Finn/Shinsuke must've made the first New Japan chants ever in WWE, right? That was never chanted even on NXT, I don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I just said that, Willow. Dont copy me to try and sound smart. Dont test me bucko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AONO. Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Tbh, at this point since they didn't put the IC on him... they have to put him with Gallows and Anderson. Both were "obvious" choices ( I use that term a lot recently I guess), since you couldn't put Universal championship on him due to Roman Reigns reasons. But they just fumble him around a lot... and that feud vs Bray was corny from the begining. With possible cool moments that in the end haven't even realised. All I'm saying is... Of course it's just not "Vince not seeing him as over". But it's not that unbeliavable if you look at his card placement and progression (or lack of) since returning from the injury. RAW has an awesome roster, but a lot of them are not reaching true potential just because they are dead set on Lesnar vs Reigns. And that was(is a problem even before last Wrestlemania. Because when they've booked Goldberg vs Lesnar at Westlemania, they had a clear picture in mind on who is beating Lesnar. Hell, you can even go far back and criticise them again for Goldberg vs Owens, but that would be too much I guess. I don't mind Lesnar as such, his last world title run was significant, but this carbon copy is just boring as hell. RAW is hurt by it to a degree. Simmillar as Jinder was hurting SD. BUt yeah, it's a different situation and different interests I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Nah, every time Brock defends the belt its a happening, everytime Jinder did it was a groan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AONO. Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 That's not really what I meant. But yeah, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 The only problem with Lesnar's current reign is the predicable conclusion. If we didn't know what it has been building towards, I'd be enjoying it much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conundrum Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 I love Finn, and he does get a great pop when he enters, but Ill agree hes not the same since his injury last year, but thats no fault of his own. As has been said, thats the fault of his booking. He is starting a feud with Joe, it seems, so I could see him jumping back up to his last levels of overseas. I honestly believe a move to SD, would be good for him, as they have less of a crowded room than RAW, due to Lesnar/Roman plans taking precedence and hurting (almost) everyone and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted November 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 The only problem with Lesnar's current reign is the predicable conclusion. If we didn't know what it has been building towards, I'd be enjoying it much more. Yeah, or even if it was leading to something I'd enjoy aka not Roman winning the belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Smackage *MOTSP* Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Send for THE MAN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmVD Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Send for THE MAN... What more can they really do with that matchup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightning116 Posted November 22, 2017 Report Share Posted November 22, 2017 Lightning what the *Censored* are you talking about? His feud with Bray wasnt "nothing" because you dont like Bray. Says the man with a clear biasness towards The Miz but all right? Because feuding with the Intercontinental champion means less than feuding with a Goosebumps villain that slowly becomes a man in drag. Right. Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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