Mass shooting thread

[EJ!]

Over 90% of the country is the left?

[King RyderFan]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

Yeah. And Ive been able to enjoy a gun free life. I dont get why some people cant see that harder to reach guns = less shootings. And before you say it yes those who still really want the illegal guns would most likely be able to get them if they tried hard enough, the same way drug users and still get their fix or pedos can still get child porn. But if it stops one shooting, isnt it worth it? Not only that but what problems are there that only a gun and bullets can solve? The only thing I can think of is a fight fire with fire situation with another gun holder, and even that becomes more redundant if they cant get a hold of guns too.

Ok cool. I have been able to enjoy a gun filled life. But there is no evidence to support your statement. Shootings still happen and happen frequently no matter the ability to get guns. I don't want people to die either but I can't in good faith be ok with giving up more liberties or passing blind legislation over false information and inaccuracies.

 

It won't ever be redundant because they will always get them. You are limiting good people with laws. Not criminals.

The evidence is right in front of you. Here in the UK we have gun laws and no shootings, while in the US you guys have no gun laws and mass shootings are becoming more and more common. Children have the right to an education and the staff at schools have the right to do their job without worrying about getting a bullet between the eyes. Far more right than anybodys right to own a killing device. You say you do not want people to die, yet your solution is to arm everyone and have a may the strong survive mentality as if it is a game of Player Unknowns Battlegrounds. It is not just good people who are limited by laws, a lot of would be shooters would be stopped if they were told they could not get a killing device instead of them being so easy to get. Granted, they may move on to other things, like IEDs or knives, but they first are hard to construct without proper know-how and the second is a close range weapon. Or they may even figure out a way round the law and get a killing device, but then the law will need to change again to close off that loophole. You cant just sit back and say well it is gonna happen anyway. Things need to change.

[M3J]

Not guns plural, maybe just a specific type of gun that the public shouldnt have.

Guns plural. We don't need AR-15 or modifications, but more people have been killed by handguns as well. This can be reduced with stricter gun control, but pro-gun maniacs lack the logic or common sense to figure this out.

 

Over 90% of the country is the left?

The right love calling anyone that doesn't agree with them as libtards or left cuck, no matter how center or right wing they are.

 

Wonder how many gun owners are called libtards for wanting stricter gun control.

[Bdon]

Over 90% of the country is the left?

Where are you getting 90%?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

Yeah. And Ive been able to enjoy a gun free life. I dont get why some people cant see that harder to reach guns = less shootings. And before you say it yes those who still really want the illegal guns would most likely be able to get them if they tried hard enough, the same way drug users and still get their fix or pedos can still get child porn. But if it stops one shooting, isnt it worth it? Not only that but what problems are there that only a gun and bullets can solve? The only thing I can think of is a fight fire with fire situation with another gun holder, and even that becomes more redundant if they cant get a hold of guns too.

Ok cool. I have been able to enjoy a gun filled life. But there is no evidence to support your statement. Shootings still happen and happen frequently no matter the ability to get guns. I don't want people to die either but I can't in good faith be ok with giving up more liberties or passing blind legislation over false information and inaccuracies.

 

It won't ever be redundant because they will always get them. You are limiting good people with laws. Not criminals.

The evidence is right in front of you. Here in the UK we have gun laws and no shootings, while in the US you guys have no gun laws and mass shootings are becoming more and more common. Children have the right to an education and the staff at schools have the right to do their job without worrying about getting a bullet between the eyes. Far more right than anybodys right to own a killing device. You say you do not want people to die, yet your solution is to arm everyone and have a may the strong survive mentality as if it is a game of Player Unknowns Battlegrounds. It is not just good people who are limited by laws, a lot of would be shooters would be stopped if they were told they could not get a killing device instead of them being so easy to get. Granted, they may move on to other things, like IEDs or knives, but they first are hard to construct without proper know-how and the second is a close range weapon. Or they may even figure out a way round the law and get a killing device, but then the law will need to change again to close off that loophole. You cant just sit back and say well it is gonna happen anyway. Things need to change.

 

No it's not. Besides you are talking about just mass or school shootings. The larger picture will show that gun related crime and crime in general is down and still declining. That tells me there isn't a gun problem. In fact, areas that are more lax on guns usually have less crime overall. These mass shootings mostly take place in gun free zones. These kids are sitting ducks. We need to have proper security at these schools in times like these. When tensions are high and the media puts this stuff out there for other sickos to see it encourages them. There is a problem with mental health (although mental health is not always main factor in gun violence) and bullying now more than there has ever been and that's something we need to address. Adding laws won't work and there sure as hell won't be any buy backs or confiscations or you're talking full scale civil war here.

 

You're living in a fantasy land if you think that someone will just turn the other cheek. You have this false notion that there is a such thing as a "would be shooter". I've heard someone on here before talking about "typical sunday" shooters. Those don't exist. Those that commit mass murder plan for days if not weeks or months. Something that you can't always detect through laws and background checks. A person committed to killing someone will not just say "oh well guess I better just not do it" when being denied. He'll just go elsewhere. You won't close those loopholes either.

 

And who said anything about may the strong survive? I know you don't understand being from the UK and that you and many others here don't actually know what they are talking about but lets try and be a little more grown up. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. Bad people will have guns. So it is important for good people to have guns too. And it's good for them to have whatever they want if bad people are getting what they want. Is that clear enough? Not to mention government tyranny and such. Which by the way is why we left you guys in the first place. History can be fun. But no this isn't a game. Not everyone is going to be living in chaos and fear. Not as fearful as your poor police over there probably live in. Statistics show there has actually been an increase in crime in the UK including gun violence so maybe you have bigger problems to deal with. The UK has a hot burglary rate of near 45% because you guys can't defend yourselves the way we can. Ours is around 13%. That's pretty significant.

 

Saying that guns are the problem is as lazy and as irresponsible as you can get. The more you learn you'll find it isn't at all how you think. Assuming you want to learn anyway.

[EJ!]

A recent Quinnipac poll shows that 97% of Americans want some form of further gun control including universal background checks.

Cant remember the number but many NRA members support stricter gun laws because as responsible gun owners, they dont have anything to fear.

[nWo_Kevin]

A recent Quinnipac poll shows that 97% of Americans want some form of further gun control including universal background checks.

Cant remember the number but many NRA members support stricter gun laws because as responsible gun owners, they dont have anything to fear.

 

I assume you're talking about this one?

 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521

 

Website makes it a bit hard to read. Trying to skim it over. Another poll from Morning Consult/Politico suggests 64% support stricter gun laws which sounds more likely.

 

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/180214_crosstabs_POLITICO_v1_AP-1-1.pdf

 

Though if you go by a Washington Post poll, one could claim that Americans would rather focus on mental health (57%) than gun control (28%)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/polling/identifying-reflection-inadequate-shootings/2018/02/20/aa03e824-15fa-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_page.html

[King RyderFan]

 

 

Over 90% of the country is the left?

Where are you getting 90%?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

Yeah. And Ive been able to enjoy a gun free life. I dont get why some people cant see that harder to reach guns = less shootings. And before you say it yes those who still really want the illegal guns would most likely be able to get them if they tried hard enough, the same way drug users and still get their fix or pedos can still get child porn. But if it stops one shooting, isnt it worth it? Not only that but what problems are there that only a gun and bullets can solve? The only thing I can think of is a fight fire with fire situation with another gun holder, and even that becomes more redundant if they cant get a hold of guns too.

Ok cool. I have been able to enjoy a gun filled life. But there is no evidence to support your statement. Shootings still happen and happen frequently no matter the ability to get guns. I don't want people to die either but I can't in good faith be ok with giving up more liberties or passing blind legislation over false information and inaccuracies.

 

It won't ever be redundant because they will always get them. You are limiting good people with laws. Not criminals.

The evidence is right in front of you. Here in the UK we have gun laws and no shootings, while in the US you guys have no gun laws and mass shootings are becoming more and more common. Children have the right to an education and the staff at schools have the right to do their job without worrying about getting a bullet between the eyes. Far more right than anybodys right to own a killing device. You say you do not want people to die, yet your solution is to arm everyone and have a may the strong survive mentality as if it is a game of Player Unknowns Battlegrounds. It is not just good people who are limited by laws, a lot of would be shooters would be stopped if they were told they could not get a killing device instead of them being so easy to get. Granted, they may move on to other things, like IEDs or knives, but they first are hard to construct without proper know-how and the second is a close range weapon. Or they may even figure out a way round the law and get a killing device, but then the law will need to change again to close off that loophole. You cant just sit back and say well it is gonna happen anyway. Things need to change.

No it's not. Besides you are talking about just mass or school shootings. The larger picture will show that gun related crime and crime in general is down and still declining. That tells me there isn't a gun problem. In fact, areas that are more lax on guns usually have less crime overall. These mass shootings mostly take place in gun free zones. These kids are sitting ducks. We need to have proper security at these schools in times like these. When tensions are high and the media puts this stuff out there for other sickos to see it encourages them. There is a problem with mental health (although mental health is not always main factor in gun violence) and bullying now more than there has ever been and that's something we need to address. Adding laws won't work and there sure as hell won't be any buy backs or confiscations or you're talking full scale civil war here.

 

You're living in a fantasy land if you think that someone will just turn the other cheek. You have this false notion that there is a such thing as a "would be shooter". I've heard someone on here before talking about "typical sunday" shooters. Those don't exist. Those that commit mass murder plan for days if not weeks or months. Something that you can't always detect through laws and background checks. A person committed to killing someone will not just say "oh well guess I better just not do it" when being denied. He'll just go elsewhere. You won't close those loopholes either.

 

And who said anything about may the strong survive? I know you don't understand being from the UK and that you and many others here don't actually know what they are talking about but lets try and be a little more grown up. It's not that hard of a concept to grasp. Bad people will have guns. So it is important for good people to have guns too. And it's good for them to have whatever they want if bad people are getting what they want. Is that clear enough? Not to mention government tyranny and such. Which by the way is why we left you guys in the first place. History can be fun. But no this isn't a game. Not everyone is going to be living in chaos and fear. Not as fearful as your poor police over there probably live in. Statistics show there has actually been an increase in crime in the UK including gun violence so maybe you have bigger problems to deal with. The UK has a hot burglary rate of near 45% because you guys can't defend yourselves the way we can. Ours is around 13%. That's pretty significant.

 

Saying that guns are the problem is as lazy and as irresponsible as you can get. The more you learn you'll find it isn't at all how you think. Assuming you want to learn anyway.

The main reason I refer to them is because of this being the mass shootings thread. I do agree we need better security and the media only encourages this. That last part is very true. Mental health is part of problem, again, I wont argue that. But the tools that are being used to commit the frines are part of the problem too. Although I dont think armed security is the perfect answer. The last thing we need is a guard who got the sack for whatever reason coming back and shooting the place up. And Im not talking about buy backs or anything, Im talking about not letting shops sell or produce the offending types of guns anymore and letting the numbers drop down that way.

 

I never said all shooters were like that, I am aware some spend weeks or even months planning their sprees, but there are also those who act on impulse, I refer again to my example of the ex-employee getting canned. Any other day he would be fine, but anger clouds judgement. I agree background checks would not be 100%, there will be people it misses or that even find a way to cheat the system to get what they want, but if it stops even every 8 out of 10 shootings, think of the amount of lives saved from that alone. Its better than sitting around doing nothing.

 

OK maybe that example was a little extreme. My point was that the whole fight fire with fire mentality could easily spiral out of control. Goverment Tyrany? Lets be real here, whatever guns are on sake right now would not stand a chance against a tank or a fighter jet or even a team of highly trained militia. The reason our burglary rate is so high is because our police are so incompetant that they refuse to even investigate burglaries at houses with odd numbered doors. Nothing to do with guns. Heck, Im willing to wage a hefty amount of money on the fact that most of our robbers arent even armed.

[M3J]

Again, a great fix is stricter gun control. Don't sell guns to people under 21 and people with anger issues, bad history, and somes sort of incompetence.

[Mango kid]

So the brother of the Parkland shooter was arrested and has a $500,000 Bond for trespassing for going to the scene of the crime 3 times

[EJ!]

 

A recent Quinnipac poll shows that 97% of Americans want some form of further gun control including universal background checks.

Cant remember the number but many NRA members support stricter gun laws because as responsible gun owners, they dont have anything to fear.

 

I assume you're talking about this one?

 

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2521

 

Website makes it a bit hard to read. Trying to skim it over. Another poll from Morning Consult/Politico suggests 64% support stricter gun laws which sounds more likely.

 

https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/180214_crosstabs_POLITICO_v1_AP-1-1.pdf

 

Though if you go by a Washington Post poll, one could claim that Americans would rather focus on mental health (57%) than gun control (28%)

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/polling/identifying-reflection-inadequate-shootings/2018/02/20/aa03e824-15fa-11e8-930c-45838ad0d77a_page.html

 

 

The 97% was for background checks I think, but 64% is still a lot and there's no way that doesn't include gun owners and NRA members.

 

I would be all for a focus on mental health but what does that mean exactly? Because most gun control activists lean toward or fully support universal healthcare which would include mental health, while most if not, a very noticeable amount of pro-2A citizens don't seem to care if anyone is covered which would be fine but there's some inconsistency there. One mentally ill person can take the lives of many with guns, so if we're gonna relax on gun laws, shouldn't everyone be in favor of frequent mental health checkups or at least therapy as a requirement for gun purchases? And this isn't to stigmatize gun owners as mentally ill, because I personally believe mental health is important and EVERYONE should seek professional help, but when you are trying to buy essentially the power to very easily take the lives of others, then the necessity for mental health checkups should rise and if the ability to check mental health is made easier, then maybe we would have less of these shootings, wouldn't you agree?

[Crackalicious]

To be fair we don't have a gun control problem. We have a mental health problem. As in we don't give a flying *Censored* if your mentally insane. The United States decided that mental health hospitals were unnecessary when pills were created. So we shut almost all of them down. We send crazy people to jail instead of helping them. If we tried to help people instead of trying to blame our gun laws for them shooting up a school we wouldn't have as many problems.

We do need to add mental health to the list for background checks for gun ownership but of course the Republicans won't take there hands out the NRA's pocket, just like the Democrats won't take there hands out of the drug companies pocket.

We need to try to stop those who need help from getting guns, but the solution isn't trying to arm teachers or add more security. It's to go back to a system of if they need help, help them and not act like pills are the saving grace.

[maskedmaniac]

It doesn't seem very likely that people who need help will get help any time soon. The people in control of things are either trying to get rid of the affordable care act which would help people who need help to actually get it, or they can't even come up with their own plan for universal healthcare to help these people. It's all talk by politicians about addressing mental health but they don't actually want to or have any idea on how to do it, without screwing some people over that is.

[EJ!]

To be fair we don't have a gun control problem. We have a mental health problem. As in we don't give a flying *Censored* if your mentally insane. The United States decided that mental health hospitals were unnecessary when pills were created. So we shut almost all of them down. We send crazy people to jail instead of helping them. If we tried to help people instead of trying to blame our gun laws for them shooting up a school we wouldn't have as many problems.

We do need to add mental health to the list for background checks for gun ownership but of course the Republicans won't take there hands out the NRA's pocket, just like the Democrats won't take there hands out of the drug companies pocket.

We need to try to stop those who need help from getting guns, but the solution isn't trying to arm teachers or add more security. It's to go back to a system of if they need help, help them and not act like pills are the saving grace.

TALK THAT SHIT SIR

[Mango kid]

So in Austin there was a 6th bombing at a Goodwill store that they're racing to right now

 

And there's a bombing at a FedEx sorting facility but they might have a clue on who's doing it because they found a package from the the same person heading into a another facility so hopefully they got something new that I can go on cuz right now there's no evidence on who the person is

[maskedmaniac]

Won't be long before copy-cat bombers start popping up across the country, in malls, business offices, and god-forbid schools. I do hope I'm very wrong but the US is full of sickos when it comes to this so it won't shock me at all.

[M3J]

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings. And if that is the issue, then shouldn't that mean gun control laws should be stricter to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns? No matter how you put it, it still comes down to gun control issues, and that we need stricter gun control. Stricter gun control ensures people with mental health issues won't be able to buy guns.

 

And for all this talk about needing to deal with mental health, will the right even do anything about it?

[Generations]

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings.

 

Wut.

[Crackalicious]

 

 

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings.

Wut.

Well...

You know...

*Censored* it, it's M3J.

[M3J]

you guys stupid? Problem isn't mental health, that's just a deflection to refocus attention on anything but guns. One thing most shooters have in common is a violent history or history with domestic incidents. Parkland shooter was reported to the police and FBI multiple times.

 

Many people with mental health issues will tell you if mental health was the issue here, there'd be far more mass shootings.

[Crackalicious]

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings. And if that is the issue, then shouldn't that mean gun control laws should be stricter to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns? No matter how you put it, it still comes down to gun control issues, and that we need stricter gun control. Stricter gun control ensures people with mental health issues won't be able to buy guns.

 

And for all this talk about needing to deal with mental health, will the right even do anything about it?

You do know that mass shootings are done by people who before hand were considered mentally ill, plus there is more suicides than homicides in the US. But you are right about the right doing something about it, they won't. But gun control only helps one part of the problem, but not the whole. Which is we are a culture where a pill is all that is needed to help people. We got rid of the places where you send people for help and replaced them with prisons, instead of trying to help with trained professionals, we make the ill take care of themselfs or a loved one who most likely can't give the time needed or we dump them on the jails & prisons. Neither side cares because at the end of the day, somebody is paying them not to.

[Bdon]

you guys stupid? Problem isn't mental health, that's just a deflection to refocus attention on anything but guns. One thing most shooters have in common is a violent history or history with domestic incidents. Parkland shooter was reported to the police and FBI multiple times.

 

Many people with mental health issues will tell you if mental health was the issue here, there'd be far more mass shootings.

I don't know M3J. Could it be a fraction of mentally unhealthy people commit acts of violence? Hmmmm

 

No one is saying it's all mentally unhealthy people or trying to lump them in so I dont get your need to defend this time after time. You do realize the percentage of school shootings compared to other gun violence is a fraction right? Could that also be the case here? Some kid with issues with a history of problems and possibly of being on some sort of prescription drugs doctors love to load them up on nowadays be a factor? Wouldn't you call that a statistic? Seems like a concern to me and not a deflection. Far more logical than saying "Oh it's just a gun problem".

[Crackalicious]

you guys stupid? Problem isn't mental health, that's just a deflection to refocus attention on anything but guns. One thing most shooters have in common is a violent history or history with domestic incidents. Parkland shooter was reported to the police and FBI multiple times.

 

Many people with mental health issues will tell you if mental health was the issue here, there'd be far more mass shootings.

Did you get dropped on your head as a kid?

 

Parkland shooter was mentally ill. No ifs, ans, or buts about it. Yes, he shouldn't of gotten a gun in the first place, but we as a society don't try to pin point the crazy people and help them before they get that far. You can stop him from buying a gun with mental health involved in background checks (which not me, or Generations or EJ is saying is wrong) but that doesn't solve the underlying issue. Baning guns doesn't help that problem. It's just a easy way of pushing away the problem.

[EJ!]

 

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings. And if that is the issue, then shouldn't that mean gun control laws should be stricter to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns? No matter how you put it, it still comes down to gun control issues, and that we need stricter gun control. Stricter gun control ensures people with mental health issues won't be able to buy guns.

 

And for all this talk about needing to deal with mental health, will the right even do anything about it?

You do know that mass shootings are done by people who before hand were considered mentally ill, plus there is more suicides than homicides in the US. But you are right about the right doing something about it, they won't. But gun control only helps one part of the problem, but not the whole. Which is we are a culture where a pill is all that is needed to help people. We got rid of the places where you send people for help and replaced them with prisons, instead of trying to help with trained professionals, we make the ill take care of themselfs or a loved one who most likely can't give the time needed or we dump them on the jails & prisons. Neither side cares because at the end of the day, somebody is paying them not to.

You are knocking this outta the park I just want you to know.

[M3J]

 

As many people with mental health issues will tell you, if mental health was the issue here, then there'd be far more shootings and mass shootings. And if that is the issue, then shouldn't that mean gun control laws should be stricter to prevent mentally ill people from getting guns? No matter how you put it, it still comes down to gun control issues, and that we need stricter gun control. Stricter gun control ensures people with mental health issues won't be able to buy guns.

 

And for all this talk about needing to deal with mental health, will the right even do anything about it?

You do know that mass shootings are done by people who before hand were considered mentally ill, plus there is more suicides than homicides in the US. But you are right about the right doing something about it, they won't. But gun control only helps one part of the problem, but not the whole. Which is we are a culture where a pill is all that is needed to help people. We got rid of the places where you send people for help and replaced them with prisons, instead of trying to help with trained professionals, we make the ill take care of themselfs or a loved one who most likely can't give the time needed or we dump them on the jails & prisons. Neither side cares because at the end of the day, somebody is paying them not to.

 

Not all mass shootings though. Many are done for different reasons. One shot multiple black people in a church to incite a racial war, while a pair went on a shooting spree in a school because of how badly they were treated by their schoolmates. The Las Vegas shooter didn't have a confirmed mental illness, but it's been theorized the anti-anxiety pills he was on could have caused him to become violent.

 

If we're talking about mental asylums, then to be fair they haven't really helped do anything but lock up the patients and subject them to horrible treatment. It might even be worse than prisons.

 

 

you guys stupid? Problem isn't mental health, that's just a deflection to refocus attention on anything but guns. One thing most shooters have in common is a violent history or history with domestic incidents. Parkland shooter was reported to the police and FBI multiple times.

 

Many people with mental health issues will tell you if mental health was the issue here, there'd be far more mass shootings.

Did you get dropped on your head as a kid?

 

Parkland shooter was mentally ill. No ifs, ans, or buts about it. Yes, he shouldn't of gotten a gun in the first place, but we as a society don't try to pin point the crazy people and help them before they get that far. You can stop him from buying a gun with mental health involved in background checks (which not me, or Generations or EJ is saying is wrong) but that doesn't solve the underlying issue. Baning guns doesn't help that problem. It's just a easy way of pushing away the problem.

 

Did I ever say the Parkland shooter wasn't mentally ill? Point me where I said that.

Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Because no one but you brought up banning guns.

 

Neither does blaming mental health and focusing solely on it. Many shooters haven't had mental health issues, but they've been arrested before or have been reported. What will be your solution when despite stringent mental health care, we still see mass shootings because people can still legally buy guns?

 

If you're gonna talk about tackling mental health as a way to reduce shootings, then you might as well support better vetting and making sure no one with potential to do violence will either be able to get a gun or will be monitored. Easy for many to seem mentally sane, but harder for them to cover up their past.

[maskedmaniac]

For the longest time I've been a firm believer that we should cut off crazy peoples hands. No hands=no evil deedz, and we can all rest easy.