Mass shooting thread

[EJ!]

Why the quotes around gun culture? You have used that term in the past, there is no need to act like it isnt real.

 

 

I really dont think anyone here is against hunting rifles or guns for protection. Shit I might buy a shiny pistol at some point, but when there are things like gun shows and collection of guns that are outside the realm of necessity, thats culture. Its not just guns, thats cars, clothes, shoes, even food. So gun culture is a real thing. The main difference between those things that keeps coming up in this argument is the purpose of each of them, their histories. Im not gonna insult anyone for loving guns or whatever, but to act like peoples concerns arent legitimate is being dishonest.

 

Your last point I have no real disagreements with, because it almost reads like a satirical anti-gun argument. Thats a good argument for why mental health checks are necessary for gun purchases. Who knows what an immature 18 year old kids brain looks like after experiencing war.

 

As for voting thing, 18 year olds are the ones that are gonna inherit the country the older generations have created so yeah its best they get involved in trying to shape their futures as soon as possible as long as theyre educated enough on the subjects. Im sure youve seen the baby boomer vs millenial arguments and data. THATS why being able to vote young is important, much more so than people nearing retirement.

[M3J]

I'm not rubbing off anyone, it's basically common sense just how problematic and obsessive the gun culture is with guns.

 

And on the subject of baby boomers vs. millennials/Generation Z, it's quite embarrassing to see how baby boomers are acting towards Generation Z for standing up for themselves and trying to stop gun violence. They bring up Tide Pods to make the kids look dumb and say bullying is a better way to stop gun violence in school (which is ironic since many of these right wing baby boomers and Generation X are actually bullying the Parkland school survivors) than walking out.

[AONO.]

 

He's not rubbing off on me at all. I have my own opinion, you don't have to agree with it but that's how I feel on this subject. It's a gun man, not a car. And I'm not sure why some people are freaking out about people under 21 not being able to buy guns. As adults why do they care so much if late-teenagers can or cannot buy semi-automatic weapons? Gun obsession is something I can't wrap my head around.

Cars are privileges, guns are a right. You can feel how you want about them but to lump people that are wanting to protect that right into this so called "gun culture" and say they aren't well in the head is going too far. And as I said. If you think it's solely over a weapon you are off base. That's way too shallow of a statement.

 

And raising the age limit is nothing but feel good regulation. It's never stopped this before and won't in the future. Now an 18 year old can go into the military, handle top of the line weaponry and know things we as civilians don't and even die for our country, but we can't trust them to buy a hunting rifle? That's obsurd. They can cast their vote to hopefully make the country better even though they haven't lived out on their own and are still immature in many ways but can't buy a gun and protect themselves from anything? Ridiculous

 

 

So. EXACTLY WHAT do you propose? It's a "feel good regulation". What does that even mean? If it can save 1 LIFE it's a good regulation.

 

All you've been saying this whole thread is that nothing will work and peeople will kill people. Fine. Let's agree. Hpwever you need to propose at least one concrete thing how to save a life, if oyu are dismissing all others. And please don't talk about parenting or go in that general direction again. Everybody can agree on those kinda of things. But if you are going to agressivly dismiss all possible suggestions you need to come up with at least one. I'm asking you that as a fellow human being, withthout political agenda.

 

Also, you are constantly so anti goveremnet and all that. Fine. I can respect that. It's oyur opinion and preferation. But you are constantly using the dumbest argument by saying "guns are a right", and that cars, healthcare (HEALTHCARE, so it's a right to kill but not a right to get better or to help someone get better)... or whatever. Well who gave you that right? Did God gave you a right to buy a gun?

Hypothetical situation. We live in a anarcho-capitalist society (you declared yourself as one, it's your right and I can respect that). Everybody lives for themselves so to speak and everyone can buy guns. You seriously wanna live in that kind of world? Because hypotheticly speaking your fellow neighbour can have a bigger gun. And that sounds like you would be living in constant fear. And yes, I'm using an absurd situation as an example justfor argument sakes, because sometimes that's a good way to proove a point.

 

You call young people immature enough to vote, but not immature enough to kill another person? I'm sorry but that's ridicolous. And you can again talk again about being rational instead of emotional. But human beings have emtions. Psyche is complex. I'm sure oyu understand that. So how can you say that even in protection, killing another person even in self defense is ok for an 18 year old? You are not stupid, you have to realise that. But you are willingly dismissing it. So you can think for yourself how you wanna call that.

 

Sorry man, but it's like this. We talked about compromise, but you said it's just a way take more from gun owners. Hypotheticly if everyone promised you, hell even put it on paper (even though it's already in constitution) that they won't lift a finger to take your right to own a gun, would you be willing to agree that people under 21 years of age can't buy/own a gun?

[M3J]

It's the pro-gun maniacs that need to compromise. Many pro-gun people are trying to compromise with stricter gun control, as are the anti-gun people.

[Generations]

 

 

Pretty bad that I thought this picture was a joke at first. I read the text, read it again...and came to understand that it was a serious post in favor of gun ownership. And let me just say...it does you no *censored*ing favors.

 

Not to mention, the "this generation" context is always ridiculous.

 

It has nothing to do with a specific generation of people; It's merely a realization that occurs in a specific era (a realization that shit needs to change). That realization includes all kinds of people. Acting like it's a "millennial" thing, (or even the newer generation after them) is ridiculous. There are people across every single age group, gender, occupation, etc...who think that shit needs to change. It is not a generational movement.

 

Also, the tide pod thing is some stupid shit in general. You want to act like some stupid shit that a handful of people may or may not be doing is a way to appropriately judge an entire generation? Cool story. Thanks for playing. You win nothing. You should have your guns taken away just for being dull enough to judge an entire population of people based on one sensationalized trend that probably doesn't even exist on a real scale. -- Every generation has people doing dumb shit...whether it's eating lead paint chips, picking tar off the road to chew like bubble gum, swallowing pennies...you want to act like the tide pod shit actually means something? Because it doesn't. It's just a thing to say when you want to try to discredit an entire group of people with as little work as possible. It's lazy, and it's dumb.

[Bdon]

 

 

 

He's not rubbing off on me at all. I have my own opinion, you don't have to agree with it but that's how I feel on this subject. It's a gun man, not a car. And I'm not sure why some people are freaking out about people under 21 not being able to buy guns. As adults why do they care so much if late-teenagers can or cannot buy semi-automatic weapons? Gun obsession is something I can't wrap my head around.

Cars are privileges, guns are a right. You can feel how you want about them but to lump people that are wanting to protect that right into this so called "gun culture" and say they aren't well in the head is going too far. And as I said. If you think it's solely over a weapon you are off base. That's way too shallow of a statement.

 

And raising the age limit is nothing but feel good regulation. It's never stopped this before and won't in the future. Now an 18 year old can go into the military, handle top of the line weaponry and know things we as civilians don't and even die for our country, but we can't trust them to buy a hunting rifle? That's obsurd. They can cast their vote to hopefully make the country better even though they haven't lived out on their own and are still immature in many ways but can't buy a gun and protect themselves from anything? Ridiculous

So. EXACTLY WHAT do you propose? It's a "feel good regulation". What does that even mean? If it can save 1 LIFE it's a good regulation.

 

All you've been saying this whole thread is that nothing will work and peeople will kill people. Fine. Let's agree. Hpwever you need to propose at least one concrete thing how to save a life, if oyu are dismissing all others. And please don't talk about parenting or go in that general direction again. Everybody can agree on those kinda of things. But if you are going to agressivly dismiss all possible suggestions you need to come up with at least one. I'm asking you that as a fellow human being, withthout political agenda.

 

Also, you are constantly so anti goveremnet and all that. Fine. I can respect that. It's oyur opinion and preferation. But you are constantly using the dumbest argument by saying "guns are a right", and that cars, healthcare (HEALTHCARE, so it's a right to kill but not a right to get better or to help someone get better)... or whatever. Well who gave you that right? Did God gave you a right to buy a gun?

Hypothetical situation. We live in a anarcho-capitalist society (you declared yourself as one, it's your right and I can respect that). Everybody lives for themselves so to speak and everyone can buy guns. You seriously wanna live in that kind of world? Because hypotheticly speaking your fellow neighbour can have a bigger gun. And that sounds like you would be living in constant fear. And yes, I'm using an absurd situation as an example justfor argument sakes, because sometimes that's a good way to proove a point.

 

You call young people immature enough to vote, but not immature enough to kill another person? I'm sorry but that's ridicolous. And you can again talk again about being rational instead of emotional. But human beings have emtions. Psyche is complex. I'm sure oyu understand that. So how can you say that even in protection, killing another person even in self defense is ok for an 18 year old? You are not stupid, you have to realise that. But you are willingly dismissing it. So you can think for yourself how you wanna call that.

 

Sorry man, but it's like this. We talked about compromise, but you said it's just a way take more from gun owners. Hypotheticly if everyone promised you, hell even put it on paper (even though it's already in constitution) that they won't lift a finger to take your right to own a gun, would you be willing to agree that people under 21 years of age can't buy/own a gun?

I've already explained what I think would work. And no new legislation is going to stop it. Many of these cases usually resulted from someone not saying or reporting something or not taking care of it when they should've and that's why background checks didn't work. Had they said something it could've saved lives. Had they had armed guards that weren't chicken shit or told to stand down it might have saved a life or more. You're not going to have one for sure way of stopping this. You're asking for the impossible.

 

Also I suggest looking more into anarcho capitalism. Mainly in how they think. You'll find that they don't and wouldn't live in constant fear. The idea is that bad people get guns anyway and that I would also have guns to protect myself. Also people get this pretty mixed up but the idea of an ancap society would not be chaos. There is still law and and rule of sorts in that ideology. It's just not centralized by a government.

 

Also can't really say it's stupid to argue when we have a bill of rights that doesn't include cars and healthcare. And I'm saying that young people can be immature and may not vote for good reasons or with any real knowledge. That goes for anyone really. Point was that if someone is old enough to start shaping this country then they are old enough to buy a weapon. Humans do have emotions but sometimes it clouds critical thinking. I call it feel good legislation because there isn't any facts or evidence for what is being pushed. A tradegy happened and people feel so obligated to do something that they'll literally do anything without thinking of real consequences. They are far too emotional to stop and think. When people are willing to give up other people's liberties you're going to have blowback.

 

What's your point exactly on protection? What's the difference between 18 and 21 when killing someone in self defense? Can't imagine that being easy on anyone. But you can't pick and choose. You're an adult at 18. You get tried as an adult among other things. Owning and buying guns are and should be a part of that.

 

You're gonna have to do more than that to get me to believe you should be 21 first. A right is not something you get to just regulate as you see fit and pick and choose. Let me ask you something. How can I or someone like me, trust that there wouldn't be further regulations after this when this regulation started based on lies already? If you can't provide solid proof before regulating more rights of people then you can be sure that when this inevitably fails, they'll be back to try for more.

[AONO.]

I didn't say it would be chaos in ancap society in itself. But you walk a dangerous path when you have guns as you described.

 

So again, you haven't really answered one question I asked.

[nWo_Kevin]

As for voting thing, 18 year olds are the ones that are gonna inherit the country the older generations have created so yeah its best they get involved in trying to shape their futures as soon as possible as long as theyre educated enough on the subjects. Im sure youve seen the baby boomer vs millenial arguments and data. THATS why being able to vote young is important, much more so than people nearing retirement.

I just wanted to touch on this one point quick because I think its important. I'm sure there are many kids out there who are educated enough, and have done their research to have a well informed opinion. But I can also look at myself for example and compare myself today to myself in high school and realize I didn't know shit about the real world back than.

 

One thing that disgusts me now is how many kids are being used as puppets in this gun debate and you're only seeing students from one side of the aisle. Meanwhile you have someone like Kyle Kashuv who is a student from that high school that is pro 2nd Amendment, has met with politicians from both the democratic and republican party and the media tries to hide him as much as they can because he doesn't fit the "student activities" mold that they are trying to build.

[Bdon]

I didn't say it would be chaos in ancap society in itself. But you walk a dangerous path when you have guns as you described.

 

So again, you haven't really answered one question I asked.

No I answered. It just wasn't good enough I guess. And no it wouldn't be any more dangerous than it is now. You can't tell the future through a background check and you can't regulate intent. People are going to do harm with or without guns and it would probably be more violent with less guns. Crime would certainly be higher.

[Mango kid]

I'm still all 4 eliminate States gun rights make gun laws Federal level blanket the entire country not different laws or different rules for different states

[Bdon]

I'm still all 4 eliminate States gun rights make gun laws Federal level blanket the entire country not different laws or different rules for different states

So give us the pros and cons of doing that. I'm interested to hear your take if you aren't being a troll.

[Mango kid]

I'm on my phone so I wont go to,much in now

 

 

Pro makes all states equal. Some states allow purchasers to take their guns home the same day, others don't. Some states only allow you to purchase guns with a permit or require approval before being able to purchase a gun at all. These are all examples of state laws.

 

Some states also have No Limit ok the number of guns you can buy at one time so some states do if you get the full power to the government concerning gun laws this would eliminate these problems where a person can go to one state buy guns as many as he can buy and then traveled back home where he might have to wait weeks before he can get it

 

I live in Florida I can buy any gun I want in Georgia no wait this also includes AR-15s and any of those like weapons the same day and bring it back to Florida

[Bdon]

I'm on my phone so I wont go to,much in now

 

 

Pro makes all states equal. Some states allow purchasers to take their guns home the same day, others don't. Some states only allow you to purchase guns with a permit or require approval before being able to purchase a gun at all. These are all examples of state laws.

 

Some states also have No Limit ok the number of guns you can buy at one time so some states do if you get the full power to the government concerning gun laws this would eliminate these problems where a person can go to one state buy guns as many as he can buy and then traveled back home where he might have to wait weeks before he can get it

 

I live in Florida I can buy any gun I want in Georgia no wait this also includes AR-15s and any of those like weapons the same day and bring it back to Florida

You cannot do that with handguns just to be clear so it's not any gun. You need that states issued license to do that if you want a handgun. I'm curious to know if you think the Ar-15 is any worse than any other semi automatic rifle or gun for that matter. You mind indulging? Also do you find any cons in making things federally blanketed? And not just gun laws but any type of laws too.

[maskedmaniac]

Are bazookas legal? I'd like to have one of those to blow shit up in the desert.

[M3J]

Curious to see what NRA or republicans would do if their own were targeted more than any other group. Would they finally do something about the gun problem, or would they blame democrats as per usual and try to give more people guns?

[Bdon]

Are bazookas legal? I'd like to have one of those to blow shit up in the desert.

Yes with the proper paperwork and such.

 

@M3J lol, no. They'll likely not see it as a gun problem because that's not what any of this is.

[M3J]

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

[Bdon]

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

[King RyderFan]

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

[Bdon]

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

[King RyderFan]

 

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

Yeah. And Ive been able to enjoy a gun free life. I dont get why some people cant see that harder to reach guns = less shootings. And before you say it yes those who still really want the illegal guns would most likely be able to get them if they tried hard enough, the same way drug users and still get their fix or pedos can still get child porn. But if it stops one shooting, isnt it worth it? Not only that but what problems are there that only a gun and bullets can solve? The only thing I can think of is a fight fire with fire situation with another gun holder, and even that becomes more redundant if they cant get a hold of guns too.

[EJ!]

School shooting this morning in Maryland

[M3J]

BuT gUnS aReN't ThE pRoBlEm!!1

 

I mean, you don't see people going on a mass stabbing spree or using trucks to kill people. Guns are clearly the issue here, especially the ease of buying it for anyone.

[maskedmaniac]

Not guns plural, maybe just a specific type of gun that the public shouldnt have.

[Bdon]

 

 

 

 

Er yes, it is a gun problem.

Guns are a solution to a problem. Not the problem.

Guns are NEVER the solution to anything. Violence and bloodshed is never the answer. Extremely ironic to say it on awresrling forum, but oh well.

You're from the UK right?

Yeah. And Ive been able to enjoy a gun free life. I dont get why some people cant see that harder to reach guns = less shootings. And before you say it yes those who still really want the illegal guns would most likely be able to get them if they tried hard enough, the same way drug users and still get their fix or pedos can still get child porn. But if it stops one shooting, isnt it worth it? Not only that but what problems are there that only a gun and bullets can solve? The only thing I can think of is a fight fire with fire situation with another gun holder, and even that becomes more redundant if they cant get a hold of guns too.

 

Ok cool. I have been able to enjoy a gun filled life. But there is no evidence to support your statement. Shootings still happen and happen frequently no matter the ability to get guns. I don't want people to die either but I can't in good faith be ok with giving up more liberties or passing blind legislation over false information and inaccuracies.

 

It won't ever be redundant because they will always get them. You are limiting good people with laws. Not criminals.

 

BuT gUnS aReN't ThE pRoBlEm!!1

 

I mean, you don't see people going on a mass stabbing spree or using trucks to kill people. Guns are clearly the issue here, especially the ease of buying it for anyone.

Well a man with a gun stopped this kid sooo. Let's not talk about the millions of lives saved and crimes stopped every year. Let's focus whatever will just support your argument.

 

Not guns plural, maybe just a specific type of gun that the public shouldnt have.

What is the difference between a specific type of gun and other hunting rifles? Why should the public not have a hunting and sporting rifle? Because that's what it is. Assuming you're talking about the AR-15 here. If you can't provide anything then it really just sounds a witch hunt. That's what all this is anyway. Ignorant people wanting to get rid of something they know nothing about out of fear perpetuated by the left and the media.