Creepia Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Shut up, now you're going off topic. It was a cool concept. I remember really wanting him to put it on the line against Cody, but it never happened. Did they not have a ladder match with the case on the line? I remember liking that match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 In general I think there should be more occasions where the briefcase has to be defended. Not often or like a championship but if the holder's getting beaten week in and week out by the same opponent(s) then they should. I don't like that idea. I would only prefer it in a situation or storyline where the briefcase holder is manipulated in to willingly putting the contract up for grabs against someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I really don't like briefcases getting defended. I always felt it negated the rules of the situation a bit. Granted the rules are fictional, but it always bugged me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Yeah, I don't like that either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Feels like what's the point of having an entire match where you have to go through hell to get certain privileges, if someone else can just take it from you in a 1v1-match? I also never liked it when it happens to a Royal Rumble-winner or the G1 Climax-winner. Granted, they never lose that match and with the G1-Climax, there are certain nuances which makes it different (like the winner losing a 1v1 on the road to victory and the need to prove yourself), but the concept in itself is something that always kind of bugged me. But it does give you exciting moments if you have a good match and have to deal with the excitement of someone actually having a chance at losing such a high stakes-match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPC Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I understand why Carmella had to defend hers since Ellsworth grabbed it for her but other than that yeah. Not a fan of that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Didn't Carmella not technically defend it? Wasn't she stripped of the briefcase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Im not sure how unpopular this is, but Im so bored of submission finishes. Specifically in WWE because I dont actively watch as much of other companies. They always just sort of happen and its rarely ever built up to be a dramatic finish of a match. Anti-climatic is the word I wanna use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AONO. Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Im not sure how unpopular this is, but Im so bored of submission finishes. Specifically in WWE because I dont actively watch as much of other companies. They always just sort of happen and its rarely ever built up to be a dramatic finish of a match. Anti-climatic is the word I wanna use. I can see it. Sometimes it could be a good thing, sure. But I remember asuka vs Charlotte had that effect on me. Completely abti-climatic. I think there was another instance recently also. But I'm not sure it's about the submission finnish itself, but has to do more with, as you said, build up. Who's performing the finisher, has it been established, and whos taking it; factorst that also come in play with the build up or story of the match. I think only a few male performers can do that today, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that only a few have a established submission finisher, or have established themselves as performers who do that build up for their dubmission finisher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPC Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I think the Charlotte-Asuka one was very believable as there really wasn't much Asuka could do once the figure 8 was locked on. Submission finishes are slowly losing it's appeal in general though. Heck finishes are with so many kicking out of them more often than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I'd say the Asuka/Charlotte finish was a major culprit of it and not believable at all. Charlotte didn't work over Asuka's legs at all and yet the Mrs. Undefeated taps? Charlotte sold her hurt arm, but shouldn't that have made her bridge weaker? The one criticism I've seen of that match was finish because it didn't really make much sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OPC Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Just seems like one of those submissions that doesn't require much work prior to it being locked on. Mostly due to how powerful it looks once Charlotte rises her back side off the ground to add more pressure to an already great submission in the figure four leglock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 It was a cool concept. I remember really wanting him to put it on the line against Cody, but it never happened. Did they not have a ladder match with the case on the line? I remember liking that match. No sir. They had a regular match at Summerslam, and a follow up on RAW, both of which Cody won. I think Cody moved on into the Authority feud after that, while Sandow began his downward spiral. Are you thinking of Ziggler defending it against Cena? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 While were on the subject of Money in the Bank, I hate how quick most of the cash ins matches are. Its like champions forget everything about having to wrestle when being cashed in on. And before anyone retorts with how most cash ins take place after a brutal match or beatdown, we have seen it several times in the past where someone has been forced to compete multiple times in one night, like Daniel Bryan at WMXXX. Heck, match types like the Gauntlet and Tag Team Turmoil are all about competing more than once in a night. As for pre-match beatdowns, how many times have we seen someone get jumped during their entrance? It is such a common cliche that 2K even added it to the games. And again, people have won after being jumped before their match. Cash ins always being so quick just makes the champion look weak IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I think the idea in kayfabe is that they're caught off guard and not in the right mindset, so they're reeling and have to formulate a whole new game plan really quick, while the person attacking them/cashing in probably has a bit more of an idea of how to go about things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Of course. There's a huge difference in being told you'll wrestle more than once in one night and being surprised and forced to put your belt on the line with no warning and after having just had a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King RyderFan Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 I understand that your points, but it still doesnt sit right with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bushy. Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Im completely fine with it. Dont see the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Vercetti Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Cash-ins are fine the way they are and have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Just seems like one of those submissions that doesn't require much work prior to it being locked on. Mostly due to how powerful it looks once Charlotte rises her back side off the ground to add more pressure to an already great submission in the figure four leglock. That is total bullshit. There are no submission like that, and if there were they would negate the entire concept of submissions in professional wrestling. The point of submissions in this business are to build a story by working to an end point of desperation and hard work. Take away that then it's a random spot with no connection or emotion to it. Booooooring. Just like the Charlotte/Asuka finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted May 10, 2018 Report Share Posted May 10, 2018 Exactly. The problem isnt submissions, its the users for some reason abandoning ring psychology around it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGPLX. Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Asuka/Charlotte was so *censored*ing disappointing, especially considering what's happened since with the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 I enjoyed Asuka vs. Charlotte despite it ending abruptly. That match easily had like another 10 minutes in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Yeah it was a really good match before the end point. Worth watching again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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