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#41 M3J

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:19 AM

Jews can be any race though.

 

 

Also; https://t.co/YAam5bZFFA

More people should start supporting Kaepernick, if you ask me. He's laying down for a good cause. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 02:24 AM

I honestly think the problem with Pence though is the fact he wasn't heard MUCH from him at all.

 

And he's been quiet for the exact reason that he's wanted to distance himself from the dumpster fire that is Trump. Which, is why I think, at the very least...we shouldn't have to see/hear from him every single day if he becomes president. Something that I think we're all tired as *Censored* of getting with Trump...especially the goddamn military fighter jets that come screaming over my town every day for the past week or so. Yes, let me repeat that phrase. Your tax money is going towards fighter jets that circle New Jersey while Trump plays golf in Bedminster. 


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:10 AM

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 

Na, the best part is white nationalist complaining about whites losing power to the jews, which last I checked are white.

 

 

This. Most Jews in the US are white from what I've seen, no, EXTREMELY white. But I guess this would be  the problem with an all-white society is that it simply cannot exist on sheer hate alone and the most hateful of the bunch would look to those in the minority (like Jews or red heads) and blame them for their problems. This is the problem right now is that most of the hateful bigots are poor lower class people that want to blame those even lower than them on the chain for having to work  shitty low paying jobs. The truth of the matter is if you don't get a good education and give yourself a chance to succeed, you may be the whitest person on earth but you will still be flipping burgers at McDonalds or wiping up vomit at some amusement park.



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:48 AM

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 


Lol, oh the irony of this post.

First of all, I think you're missing a lot of knowledge when it comes to the civil war and also the mindset of both sides.

Secondly, you're lumping white people again. You're talking about a minority group of white people who think stupid shit like that. And other people of different races do the same. Also if you really want equality and diversity then maybe you shouldn't be telling white people they have privilege. Not only is that racist in itself, it wouldn't do anything to close any of those invisible gaps you think plague everyone but whites. You are still distancing people of other races by promoting this idea of privilege and you somehow think whites are at fault, lol. Who's really failing to accept diversity? You act like there aren't groups out there right now of other colors and creeds doing the same thing. Start with yourself first. Seems you can't get over it.

By the way I'm well aware that there is still racism in the world. I'm aware that there are cases where it comes into play with police and such. But you keep driving this white privilege shit down people's throats then it'll just create more divide. You're creating tension on both sides.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:31 AM

 

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 

Na, the best part is white nationalist complaining about whites losing power to the jews, which last I checked are white.

 

 

This. Most Jews in the US are white from what I've seen, no, EXTREMELY white. But I guess this would be  the problem with an all-white society is that it simply cannot exist on sheer hate alone and the most hateful of the bunch would look to those in the minority (like Jews or red heads) and blame them for their problems. This is the problem right now is that most of the hateful bigots are poor lower class people that want to blame those even lower than them on the chain for having to work  shitty low paying jobs. The truth of the matter is if you don't get a good education and give yourself a chance to succeed, you may be the whitest person on earth but you will still be flipping burgers at McDonalds or wiping up vomit at some amusement park.

 

I thought people hated Jews because they killed Christ. And the Jews were scapegoated by the Nazis due to prejudice against the group. 

 

Good education isn't shit anymore, given how many people get good education now. Problem is, most companies will ask for experience even for entry level jobs, so if you haven't done a good internship you're kinda screwed. 

 

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 


Lol, oh the irony of this post.

First of all, I think you're missing a lot of knowledge when it comes to the civil war and also the mindset of both sides.

Secondly, you're lumping white people again. You're talking about a minority group of white people who think stupid shit like that. And other people of different races do the same. Also if you really want equality and diversity then maybe you shouldn't be telling white people they have privilege. Not only is that racist in itself, it wouldn't do anything to close any of those invisible gaps you think plague everyone but whites. You are still distancing people of other races by promoting this idea of privilege and you somehow think whites are at fault, lol. Who's really failing to accept diversity? You act like there aren't groups out there right now of other colors and creeds doing the same thing. Start with yourself first. Seems you can't get over it.

By the way I'm well aware that there is still racism in the world. I'm aware that there are cases where it comes into play with police and such. But you keep driving this white privilege shit down people's throats then it'll just create more divide. You're creating tension on both sides.

 

No irony here. And predictable response as always.

 

And no, I'm not. Some knowledge, I'll give you that. But the Confederates attacked first, and they betrayed USA. 

 

Secondly, how do you know they're the minority? I'm not saying they're not, but I've actually experienced many white people trying so hard to look oppressed and deny that they actually do have privilege. This is in no way racist at all, it is a fact that white privilege exists. And most people who know that exist are not likely to believe white people when they deny it, given they aren't as likely to notice it. I never said white people aren't plagued by the issues that other races face, but they're the least plagued. Wage gaps, more likely to get hired, less likely to get jailed, and etc are in favor of the whites. If a black man and a white man both enter a store at the same time, with their hoods on, more employees are going to be wary of the black man than they will of a white man, even if he steals stuff. 

 

If you are aware that there's still racism, then you should be aware that white privilege is a thing. The only ones creating tension are the ones who deny this; the white people who are aware are trying to do something about it and help people of color out. Some point out the issues that people of color face, some help out, etc. You don't understand diversity if you think acknowledging something that's true is against diversity. What would make one against diversity is refusing to hire white people or work with them. 

 

Facts are there. It's up to you to whether remain ignorant about it or see the truth. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:27 AM

 

 

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 

Na, the best part is white nationalist complaining about whites losing power to the jews, which last I checked are white.

 

 

This. Most Jews in the US are white from what I've seen, no, EXTREMELY white. But I guess this would be  the problem with an all-white society is that it simply cannot exist on sheer hate alone and the most hateful of the bunch would look to those in the minority (like Jews or red heads) and blame them for their problems. This is the problem right now is that most of the hateful bigots are poor lower class people that want to blame those even lower than them on the chain for having to work  shitty low paying jobs. The truth of the matter is if you don't get a good education and give yourself a chance to succeed, you may be the whitest person on earth but you will still be flipping burgers at McDonalds or wiping up vomit at some amusement park.

 

I thought people hated Jews because they killed Christ. And the Jews were scapegoated by the Nazis due to prejudice against the group. 

 

Good education isn't shit anymore, given how many people get good education now. Problem is, most companies will ask for experience even for entry level jobs, so if you haven't done a good internship you're kinda screwed. 

 

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 


Lol, oh the irony of this post.

First of all, I think you're missing a lot of knowledge when it comes to the civil war and also the mindset of both sides.

Secondly, you're lumping white people again. You're talking about a minority group of white people who think stupid shit like that. And other people of different races do the same. Also if you really want equality and diversity then maybe you shouldn't be telling white people they have privilege. Not only is that racist in itself, it wouldn't do anything to close any of those invisible gaps you think plague everyone but whites. You are still distancing people of other races by promoting this idea of privilege and you somehow think whites are at fault, lol. Who's really failing to accept diversity? You act like there aren't groups out there right now of other colors and creeds doing the same thing. Start with yourself first. Seems you can't get over it.

By the way I'm well aware that there is still racism in the world. I'm aware that there are cases where it comes into play with police and such. But you keep driving this white privilege shit down people's throats then it'll just create more divide. You're creating tension on both sides.

 

No irony here. And predictable response as always.

 

And no, I'm not. Some knowledge, I'll give you that. But the Confederates attacked first, and they betrayed USA. 

 

Secondly, how do you know they're the minority? I'm not saying they're not, but I've actually experienced many white people trying so hard to look oppressed and deny that they actually do have privilege. This is in no way racist at all, it is a fact that white privilege exists. And most people who know that exist are not likely to believe white people when they deny it, given they aren't as likely to notice it. I never said white people aren't plagued by the issues that other races face, but they're the least plagued. Wage gaps, more likely to get hired, less likely to get jailed, and etc are in favor of the whites. If a black man and a white man both enter a store at the same time, with their hoods on, more employees are going to be wary of the black man than they will of a white man, even if he steals stuff. 

 

If you are aware that there's still racism, then you should be aware that white privilege is a thing. The only ones creating tension are the ones who deny this; the white people who are aware are trying to do something about it and help people of color out. Some point out the issues that people of color face, some help out, etc. You don't understand diversity if you think acknowledging something that's true is against diversity. What would make one against diversity is refusing to hire white people or work with them. 

 

Facts are there. It's up to you to whether remain ignorant about it or see the truth. 

 

That's subjective. People could also look at it like the federal government betrayed it's people. Slapping higher taxes on them. Imposing views or laws for everyone that they disagree with (not just slavery). They looked to free themselves of too much government control. Collectivism. To preserve the right to do what's best for their own state and their people. To look at the confederacy simply as just traitors then you really don't understand. But depending on where you grew up, it changes what you were taught about the war and both the North and South.

 

And how many is many? lol. Hard to believe. You still are lumping. It is not a fact. It is a belief. It is not even widely accepted. If you believe in white privilege then you think that there is some superior benefit to being white. That my friend is racist. There are no facts. What is this science? lol. These are your opinions. If you believe white people are still plagued then who is plaguing them? It's obviously the same people that are plaguing the others, yes?. Less or not, how does blaming whites help fix what the system has put in place for them? You realize the government has kept these groups in a system right? Blaming all white people won't help. Pointing out a so called privilege is divisive. It puts people on a pedestal. It creates that mindset. It makes them defensive. How you don't see this is beyond me. You are creating the tension. Not them, lol. If people went on about their day without this stigma of why others may hate them for something not of their doing, true or not, then there wouldn't be tension. You are pointing out something about people you don't like and then blaming them for getting defensive. That's asinine.

 

If a white man and black man walked in together looking suspicious then people would be watching both of them and probably assume they are together. This isn't 1960, lol. If you don't want to look like a thug then don't walk in looking and acting like one. Take your hood off. Not hard. You have presented no facts. Just a weak scenario and a couple of random things that has happened here and there. There is a cause for this mistreatment. It's not everyday white people. It's your government, made up of all creeds and colors that will sell you and me out for votes and the almighty dollar. Quit putting people on pedestals and creating tension. You're creating more hate and division between groups that will be more concerned with fighting each other over bullshit than fighting the real enemy that put them in that system and kept them there for the better part of the last century. You're wasting too much time and energy trying to trick people into thinking they are part of a problem when they aren't. That's the truth. 


Edited by Bdon, 20 August 2017 - 05:30 AM.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 12:53 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interestingly, for a group of people so intensely "patriotic," they sure like supporting an ex-nation that would have ended USA. Man, I truly love how white people are in such denial about their privilege, and that they'll literally come up with all sorts of shit to make themselves out to be oppressed. It's sad how instead of accepting equality and diversity, they have to come up with shit like how they're going extinct or losing dominance or whatnot. 


Lol, oh the irony of this post.

First of all, I think you're missing a lot of knowledge when it comes to the civil war and also the mindset of both sides.

Secondly, you're lumping white people again. You're talking about a minority group of white people who think stupid shit like that. And other people of different races do the same. Also if you really want equality and diversity then maybe you shouldn't be telling white people they have privilege. Not only is that racist in itself, it wouldn't do anything to close any of those invisible gaps you think plague everyone but whites. You are still distancing people of other races by promoting this idea of privilege and you somehow think whites are at fault, lol. Who's really failing to accept diversity? You act like there aren't groups out there right now of other colors and creeds doing the same thing. Start with yourself first. Seems you can't get over it.

By the way I'm well aware that there is still racism in the world. I'm aware that there are cases where it comes into play with police and such. But you keep driving this white privilege shit down people's throats then it'll just create more divide. You're creating tension on both sides.

 

No irony here. And predictable response as always.

 

And no, I'm not. Some knowledge, I'll give you that. But the Confederates attacked first, and they betrayed USA. 

 

Secondly, how do you know they're the minority? I'm not saying they're not, but I've actually experienced many white people trying so hard to look oppressed and deny that they actually do have privilege. This is in no way racist at all, it is a fact that white privilege exists. And most people who know that exist are not likely to believe white people when they deny it, given they aren't as likely to notice it. I never said white people aren't plagued by the issues that other races face, but they're the least plagued. Wage gaps, more likely to get hired, less likely to get jailed, and etc are in favor of the whites. If a black man and a white man both enter a store at the same time, with their hoods on, more employees are going to be wary of the black man than they will of a white man, even if he steals stuff. 

 

If you are aware that there's still racism, then you should be aware that white privilege is a thing. The only ones creating tension are the ones who deny this; the white people who are aware are trying to do something about it and help people of color out. Some point out the issues that people of color face, some help out, etc. You don't understand diversity if you think acknowledging something that's true is against diversity. What would make one against diversity is refusing to hire white people or work with them. 

 

Facts are there. It's up to you to whether remain ignorant about it or see the truth. 

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And how many is many? lol. Hard to believe. You still are lumping. It is not a fact. It is a belief. It is not even widely accepted. If you believe in white privilege then you think that there is some superior benefit to being white. That my friend is racist. There are no facts. What is this science? lol. 

 

This is... I don't know. Good points M3J on this page. But for real, Bdon, can't you really see the absurd reversed blamed here? I believe you are a smart man, and that you can't possibly say the bolded thing. "White privilage" is not a belief. You don't get to deny that. But the whole sentence is nonsensical on a whole other level really. Racist would be admiting there is white priviliage and then supporting it, and this is realising it...realising the problem so it can be fixed. How is that racist? I'm sure you see it, right? 

The thing I don't get is...why is it so hard to take a different view, take something from it and acknowledge it, or admiting that there may just be something that you don't understand about the problem? Because after all, that problem is an american problem. This is a general question and statement.  

And I'm posting this here since it was a part of a post in the old thread before it reached the page limit, and I'm really interested in the answer to the question. Just the answer, if there is any. 

 

 

But for example, I heard a very good point, or a question that is actually very difficult to answer... How should a black man get his message across, or what is the right way? "If I march on the street, people call me a thug, if I go out and protest, people say it's a riot, if I bend down on one knee then again is not right (colin kaepernick situation) What is the right way for a black person to get attention in America?". Though what Kapernick did was actually the one thing that did anybody absolutely no harm, and the message was strong...yet it wasn't right. 

 


Edited by aono55, 20 August 2017 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 04:59 PM

Confederate General Patrick Cleburne

Surrender means that the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern school teachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the War; will be impressed by all the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit subjects for derision.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:41 PM

The sad part is that the events in Charlottesville to happen for America to address white supremacy. That's the problem within itself. We should've been addressed this issue. It might not be 1960 but we're still having the same problems our ancestors had. No matter how you dress and behavior. If your a person of color your thug in this system. Your gulity until proven innocent. Like I said before racism has refined itself. The new racism is to pretend there is no racism. White privlege comes with being a system of white supremacy. Whether you acknowledge it or not. It's easy to deny something you don't experience. Black racism is namecalling. White supremacy will mess up your entire life. Even when we do get ourselves together. The FBI goes under suspension. Jobs can discriminate againest someone for having dreadlocks. Which is a natural hairstyle. We're given the illusion of inclusion. The media deliberately went out of their way to not call these white supremacist terrorist. If it was BLM they would've been caused rioters, terrorist etc. The system wants us to suffer in silence. Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. Whenever a black person dies. It's what about black on black crime which is sad as well. But we're all not doing the killings. Whites kill whites. Asians kill Asians etc. It's something that happens in every group. If the higher ups really wanted true equality. They know what to do.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 05:55 PM

All I can say to that is wow.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:01 PM

@ King tha Row very good post.

In a way Kapernick is an example on how you will get treated if you actually try to something. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:05 PM

Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 

"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"

 

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The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.

 

Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 06:24 PM

Kaepernick is very informed and very educated and did his own research on Castro. Castro was actually revered by many. I don't know enough about him to have an opinion on him but I do know America has tried to kill him multiple times and I do know America is against anything that isn't capitalism.

I still don't subscribe to the idea that you have to vote even when you don't agree with anyone's policies. Yes, I voted and I do believe Hillary was the lesser of two evils, but I'm not mad at anyone who didn't vote. It's the politicians' fault for not convincing the people they're worth voting. Trump is a dick, Hillary's whole campaign ran off "at least I'm not Trump". That's not enough. She did a shitty job steering people away from him, she wasn't strong on anything. Voting shouldn't be a matter of picking the lesser of two evils so it's messed up that people are blaming people who didn't wanna partake in this shitstorm, especially when it doesn't feel like your vote even matters with the electoral college and the rigging.

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 08:48 PM

 

Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 

"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"

 

- My reaction when I saw this thread was back

 

 

 

The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.

 

Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 

 

That's complete bias there. 

Richard Sherman did charity work, wrote something...respect, but did he do something like Kapernick? He didn't.  

Did he do something like Kaepernick? Did anyone do something like that? 

How does Kaepernick being an average quarterback have anything to do with what he did, because that had nohing to do with american football? With him being without a job after he became a free agent? I highly doubt that was the sole reason why he doesn't. There were numerous reports that managers didn't want nothing to do with him because of what he did. Some where probably ideological reasons and some were just busines side of things. Whichever you want to put it. So, come on man...

What do you think about the question that I posted in my previous post?


All I can say to that is wow.

Ok man. 

I'm genueinly interested on how you would answer the question I posted. Without hostility or looking down on you (I know what I've said in the past). 

I'm just asking you directly now. 



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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:11 PM

USC. Is. Now under fire cuz the name of the mascot horse is the same as Robert E Lee horse see how ridiculess this has become there never happy

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Posted 20 August 2017 - 09:12 PM

Kaepernick is very informed and very educated and did his own research on Castro. Castro was actually revered by many. I don't know enough about him to have an opinion on him but I do know America has tried to kill him multiple times and I do know America is against anything that isn't capitalism.

 

He's a pretty polarizing figure actually. People on that one side of the political spectrum tend to like him, or not mind him, and people on the other side tend to dislike him. Then there is the matter of the people who fled Cuba to the US to get away from him.

 

I really don't have much of an opinion on Kaepernick. Eh. 


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 02:28 AM

 

Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 

"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"

 

- My reaction when I saw this thread was back

 

 

 

The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.

 

Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 

 

He wasn't uninformed. He chose not to vote on presidential level because he didn't see his vote changing the society for better. Trump is a piece of shit and the worst choice, but Hillary wasn't better and would keep things status quo. Plus, not only did he protest injustice, he actually helps people out by donating his own time and money. And him being an average quarterback wouldn't stop him from getting signed anyway, I'm pretty sure. "Patriotic" Americans are such snowflakes that they boycotted NFL, although it was ridiculous a player couldn't wear a 9/11 memorial socks or something. 

 

Kaepernick not only backed up what he believed in, but despite criticism and threats, he never backed down. That gets more respect than most things else, in my book. 

 

 

 

Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 

"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"

 

- My reaction when I saw this thread was back

 

 

 

The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.

 

Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 

 

That's complete bias there. 

Richard Sherman did charity work, wrote something...respect, but did he do something like Kapernick? He didn't.  

Did he do something like Kaepernick? Did anyone do something like that? 

How does Kaepernick being an average quarterback have anything to do with what he did, because that had nohing to do with american football? With him being without a job after he became a free agent? I highly doubt that was the sole reason why he doesn't. There were numerous reports that managers didn't want nothing to do with him because of what he did. Some where probably ideological reasons and some were just busines side of things. Whichever you want to put it. So, come on man...

What do you think about the question that I posted in my previous post?


All I can say to that is wow.

Ok man. 

I'm genueinly interested on how you would answer the question I posted. Without hostility or looking down on you (I know what I've said in the past). 

I'm just asking you directly now. 

 

Why ask him? He actually denies white privilege is a thing and calls it racist whenever people point it out, even though it doesn't really fit the definition of racism. 



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:39 AM

No one's doing anything bad atm. Just please remember to keep it civil. I don't want this, or any topic closed.



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 03:45 AM

What was reported? If you ban Jamaoke or whatever from this thread, we shouldn't really have much of a problem, yeah? 



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Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 
"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"
 
- My reaction when I saw this thread was back
 
 
 
The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.
 
Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 
 
He wasn't uninformed. He chose not to vote on presidential level because he didn't see his vote changing the society for better. Trump is a piece of shit and the worst choice, but Hillary wasn't better and would keep things status quo. Plus, not only did he protest injustice, he actually helps people out by donating his own time and money. And him being an average quarterback wouldn't stop him from getting signed anyway, I'm pretty sure. "Patriotic" Americans are such snowflakes that they boycotted NFL, although it was ridiculous a player couldn't wear a 9/11 memorial socks or something. 
 
Kaepernick not only backed up what he believed in, but despite criticism and threats, he never backed down. That gets more respect than most things else, in my book. 
 

 


 


Only reason why they gave Kapernick so much shit. Most were condeming him for taking a knee for the national anthem. But had nothing to say about the reason he did. Which shows we're seen as less than human. Which is unfortunate. 

 
"Welcome to a brand new beginning you sorry shits!"
 
- My reaction when I saw this thread was back
 
 
 
The problem with Kapernick was that he came across as uninformed in my opinion. He protested injustice going on in this country yet choose not to vote in the election on a local or presidential level. He also decided that wearing a Fidel Castro shirt was a good idea which also showed that he doesn't understand history. Add all that on top of the fact that he's an average quarterback at best and you have the results you see today.
 
Now take someone like Richard Sherman for example. Someone who is clearly liberal and has views that I disagree with. But I have no problem with the things he says because while we disagree sometimes, I can at least respect the fact that he's educated and does his own research. 
 
That's complete bias there. 

Richard Sherman did charity work, wrote something...respect, but did he do something like Kapernick? He didn't.  

Did he do something like Kaepernick? Did anyone do something like that? 

How does Kaepernick being an average quarterback have anything to do with what he did, because that had nohing to do with american football? With him being without a job after he became a free agent? I highly doubt that was the sole reason why he doesn't. There were numerous reports that managers didn't want nothing to do with him because of what he did. Some where probably ideological reasons and some were just busines side of things. Whichever you want to put it. So, come on man...

What do you think about the question that I posted in my previous post?

All I can say to that is wow.

Ok man. 

I'm genueinly interested on how you would answer the question I posted. Without hostility or looking down on you (I know what I've said in the past). 

I'm just asking you directly now. 
 
Why ask him? He actually denies white privilege is a thing and calls it racist whenever people point it out, even though it doesn't really fit the definition of racism. 

It does fit the definition though sooo.

Also I stood up for you even though you came pretty close to crossing the line. Some thought you even did. Just take it easy dude. Let's not let this get out of hand. Don't even need to concern yourself about Jamoke.

Edited by Bdon, 21 August 2017 - 03:48 AM.