U.S. Politics Discussion

[nWo_Kevin]

 

 

And yet everyone relies on leaders and politicians to do something about terrorism so, yes, it can be political and mostly is or ends up that way. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.

 

 

Trying to prove? I'm not "trying to prove" anything, It was a terrorist attack...on US soil. But it isn't fundamentally related to US politics. If someone wants to talk about what the president has said in response to it...or what the current administration wants to do about it...that would be "US politics". But, the attack itself is not related in any way to US politics. I'm pretty sure we had another topic for discussion terrorism...

 

My intent in saying that it isn't related to US politics, was simply to keep the attention of this topic on US politics. But, I guess it's easy to see that pro-Trumpers are willing to change the subject whenever they can. Trump is in trouble? Here's a convenient terrorist attack that we can put the spotlight on...not on Trump's response to it, or what the government will do about it...just the attack in general. Come back to this topic when there's actually something to be said about it on the federal level. Right now, it's NYC. When Trump says some stupid shit about the attacks, we can talk all about it.

 

 

 

Come on Gen, you're smarter than that. US politics is about multiple issues both big and small. Politics can be about terrorism, the economy, global warming. Hell politics can be about what the idiot politicians in my state of New York are doing. Sure, no one else might want to talk about it. But its still politics, even if it has nothing to do with Trump.

 

But at least you're honest. You don't care about this issue because you want the attention on Trump going to jail. An issue that, unlike this terrorist attack, isn't real.

[Generations]

 

But at least you're honest. You don't care about this issue because you want the attention on Trump going to jail. An issue that, unlike this terrorist attack, isn't real.

 

 

Total bullshit (and disrespectful to the issue itself).

 

I do care about the issue...but, it isn't a political one (until there is a political reaction to it)...which is still something that NO ONE has discussed in the topic. Austin posted about the attack itself (not political). I said that the attack itself wasn't political (because it isn't)...and you and Bdon have given me shit about that. If you want to discuss the politics of the situation...then do so. But, stop acting like I was wrong in saying that the attack itself isn't related to politics. Like I said...we can discuss the federal implications of the attack all day long. When we have an actual basis for that discussion, I urge you to bring it to the table.

[Bdon]

Probably the biggest fantasy in this thread other than man made climate change destroying the earth is Trump actually going to jail. Just like it's an unfortunate fantasy that Hillary and Bill won't.

 

Lol at Gen playing some kind of topic police all of a sudden.

[Generations]

Probably the biggest fantasy in this thread other than man made climate change destroying the earth is Trump actually going to jail. Just like it's an unfortunate fantasy that Hillary and Bill won't.

 

I'm just laughing at you at this point. We all are.

Lol at Gen playing some kind of topic police all of a sudden.

 

Let's discuss the politics of the situation, then...what has your golden god whispered to you? What is his answer to the attack? I never claimed that the situation had no political implications...I said that it wasn't a political situation when the news first broke. - If we want to put the ball in Trump's court and see how gracefully he handles it...then I'm all in favor of that. I'll be here all night.

[Bdon]

 

 

Probably the biggest fantasy in this thread other than man made climate change destroying the earth is Trump actually going to jail. Just like it's an unfortunate fantasy that Hillary and Bill won't.

I'm just laughing at you at this point. We all are.

Lol at Gen playing some kind of topic police all of a sudden.

Let's discuss the politics of the situation, then...what has your golden god whispered to you? What is his answer to the attack? I never claimed that the situation had no political implications...I said that it wasn't a political situation when the news first broke.

Are you sure you're laughing? I figured since you keep yourself up at night waiting for the apocalypse of global warming to come, you'd be too busy praying to Al Gore or some shit to be laughing.

 

No you just simply chose to say shit instead of ignore it. You knew it would have political implications and just because it hasn't happened yet, you don't see a reason to discuss it. Not like you at all. If it's something against Trump you'd be happy to say shit before facts all come out.

 

Also lol at Golden God. How do you expect to be taken seriously?

[nWo_Kevin]

 

Lol at Gen playing some kind of topic police all of a sudden.

Let's discuss the politics of the situation, then...what has your golden god whispered to you? What is his answer to the attack? I never claimed that the situation had no political implications...I said that it wasn't a political situation when the news first broke.

 

Not every political issue involves Trump. That's why there are such things as local politics, state politics, etc...Trump will eventually comment on this but that doesn't mean it can't be discussed prior.

 

For someone who hates Trump so much, you seem obsessed with him. Everything has to be about him and if its not you claim that we are trying to change the agenda or that we are "on his dick".

[Generations]

Firstly: President of the UNITED STATES. But, "not every US politics discussion needs to involve Trump"...

 

Secondly: Bdon...I don't even read your posts these days; You sound like nothing short of a troll.

 

Just go back and read the first post. Austin posted about the incident itself. The incident itself was not a political one. At least, not that the time. And...STILL, nobody has discussed anything political here...even on a state or local level. Maybe...MAYBE, I could agree with you, nwo_Kevin...if you were actually discussing what NYC politicians were doing about this. But, I reiterate...NOTHING has been discussed here about politics. If you want to make it political...then stop beating around the bush and do it...but the attack itself has nothing to do with politics right now...I was trying to keep the topic from becoming focused on a random "he said, she said" about the situation itself. A debate about how many attackers, what they did, how they did it...is not a political discussion. US politics certainly involve terrorism...and counter-terrorism...but not in so much as the first details of the attacks themselves.

 

Technically...every random murder, or mugging, or rape is a "political issue"...but we don't typically discuss them in the politics topic until they actually become the focus of the politicians themselves. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened yet. We don't even have full details yet.

[nWo_Kevin]

Just go back and read the first post. Austin posted about the incident itself. The incident itself was not a political one. At least, not that the time. And...STILL, nobody has discussed anything political here...even on a state or local level. Maybe...MAYBE, I could agree with you, nwo_Kevin...if you were actually discussing what NYC politicians were doing about this. But, I reiterate...NOTHING has been discussed here about politics. If you want to make it political...then stop beating around the bush and do it...but the attack itself has nothing to do with politics right now...I was trying to keep the topic from becoming focused on a random "he said, she said" about the situation itself. A debate about how many attackers, what they did, how they did it...is not a political discussion.

 

My point was Gen that you didn't even give anyone a chance to discuss politics. Austin made a quick post about the incident and you shut him down and came off like his post didn't belong here. No one had a chance to dive deeper into the issue including Jamoke.

 

But if you want to talk about it, we can talk about it. Where would you like to start? The issue and danger of Islamic extremists? The fact that NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio tried to make the incident come off as anything but a terrorist attack until eventually having no choice but to call it one? Same could be said for CNN at the time. We could talk about the issue of sanctuary states which may not apply here but is certainly a road not too far from this one. Where would you like to start?

[Generations]

 

 

My point was Gen that you didn't even give anyone a chance to discuss politics. Austin made a quick post about the incident and you shut him down and came off like his post didn't belong here. No one had a chance to dive deeper into the issue including Jamoke.

 

 

Because there were no politics to discuss yet; It was a developing story about an attack.

 

The US Politics topic is not the place to discuss developing attacks. Is that not an agreeable statement? People like you and I can't just discuss politics of situations...the politics need to exist first...and they don't. Give it a few days...let all parties speak about it. Then you can discuss the politics of a terrorist attack. Right now, there is no discussion to be had.

 

And the "hesitation to call it terrorism" bit always gets me. It's called being responsible and not wanting to speak without having the facts...(just as I don't want to discuss this situation without knowing more). First day discussions about horrible tragedies are usually at least 75% bullshit. I'm not getting into that. Hell...I first heard of the incident about ten minutes before the news reported it, from my friend in Queens who said it was an active shooter by the Freedom tower...which turned out to be completely wrong. So, yeah...when a mayor or governor, or president, or anyone else hesitates to call something terrorism on the day it first happens...it's because they're trying to wait for actual facts...not just give into what the expectation is. You can't "take back" calling something terrorism. Wait for the facts...and then call it what it is. Calling something what it isn't has never been good for anyone.

[nWo_Kevin]

 

 

 

My point was Gen that you didn't even give anyone a chance to discuss politics. Austin made a quick post about the incident and you shut him down and came off like his post didn't belong here. No one had a chance to dive deeper into the issue including Jamoke.

 

 

Because there were no politics to discuss yet; It was a developing story about an attack.

 

The US Politics topic is not the place to discuss developing attacks. Is that not an agreeable statement? People like you and I can't just discuss politics of situations...the politics need to exist first...and they don't. Give it a few days...let all parties speak about it. Then you can discuss the politics of a terrorist attack. Right now, there is no discussion to be had.

 

So would you say that when the Charlottesville incident happened people should of waited a few days before discussing it on this very thread? Or when the Vegas shooting happened that people should of waited a few days before discussing gun control?

 

I mean you'll see on the first page of the shooting thread that I said I was going to wait for more information before giving my thoughts. But right or wrong its inevitable in this day in age that people are going to react instantly to anything that happens. I've done it, and you know that you've done it too.

[Generations]

Charlottesville was directly sparked by political issues, and immediately commented on by political parties. It wasn't a terrorist attack...it was a protest stemming from political issues. So...yeah...that's different (is it not obviously different?)...I think it's obviously different.

 

Also...you made a key statement right there...when you said "in the shooting thread". That topic was all about shootings/guns in that situation. In this situation, this topic is not all about terrorist attacks...it's about politics. Politics are statements made by politicians...we can't very well discuss politics before they've been publicly established. A topic about shootings is precisely for jerk-reactions to shootings as they happen. That isn't what the politics topic is...

[nWo_Kevin]

 

Charlottesville was directly sparked by political issues, and immediately commented on by political parties. It wasn't a terrorist attack...it was a protest stemming from political issues. So...yeah...that's different (is it not obviously different?)...I think it's obviously different.

 

Also...you made a key statement right there...when you said "in the shooting thread". That topic was all about shootings/guns in that situation. In this situation, this topic is not all about terrorist attacks...it's about politics. Politics are statements made by politicians...we can't very well discuss politics before they've been publicly established. A topic about shootings is precisely for jerk-reactions to shootings as they happen. That isn't what the politics topic is...

 

 

At this point we're talking semantics and really going off rails so if you want to have the last word you can. I'd just argue A.) if the shooter was shouting "allahu akbar" and was an Islamic Extremist than the attack is certainly a political issue just based on that alone and goes back to the political debate on how to deal with this problem. And B.) this attack didn't need its own thread compared to the Vegas shooting and IMHO I think Austin had every right to post here without you saying that we were trying to veer away from the current issues with Trump.

[Generations]

Fine...let's discuss all of the politics regarding this situation that we know nothing about. I'm on board.

 

I saw he was wearing a jacket with a red stripe on it...so he probably supports communism too. The attack happened in the middle of the day, so we can rule out vampires. The truck was from Home Depot, so he clearly has a political bias against Lowes...hmmm...what else?...

[M3J]

The last 5 or so posts reminded me how the religion thread used to be the top thread in general discussion and then within the last couple of years it shifted to political as if talking about religion too taboo or rather more politicized than it used to be. Seems like you can't talk about religion without mentioning conservatives or liberals nowadays.

Everything is divided nowadays, and Trump has probably done irreparable damage to the country with his division.

 

 

 

And yet everyone relies on leaders and politicians to do something about terrorism so, yes, it can be political and mostly is or ends up that way. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.

 

 

Trying to prove? I'm not "trying to prove" anything, It was a terrorist attack...on US soil. But it isn't fundamentally related to US politics. If someone wants to talk about what the president has said in response to it...or what the current administration wants to do about it...that would be "US politics". But, the attack itself is not related in any way to US politics. I'm pretty sure we had another topic for the discussion of terrorism...

 

My intent in saying that it isn't related to US politics, was simply to keep the attention of this topic on US politics. But, I guess it's easy to see that pro-Trumpers are willing to change the subject whenever they can. Trump is in trouble? Here's a convenient terrorist attack that we can put the spotlight on. Not on Trump's response to it, or what the government will do about it...just the attack in general. Come back to this topic when there's actually something to be said about it on the federal level. Right now, it's NYC. When Trump says some stupid shit about the attacks, then we can talk all about it.

 

 

Nitpicking. Why does it matter when it's still related to the US?

 

But anyway, Trump was quick to tweet about this, which either means the attacker wasn't white, or he assumes the attacker isn't white.

[Bdon]

Automatically goes straight into racism lol. You are something.

[Mango kid]

Well he did enter the us on the same,visa program trump teying tonend

[M3J]

Just because you deny racism plays a part in his reaction doesn't mean it's not true. There's actually proof, as usual. But then again, you deny white privilege is a thing, think the South wasn't oppressive, and the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery.

 

 

Trump and the republicans are blaming Schumer for the terrorist getting in through Diversity Visa Lottery Program, but didn't he try to replace the program with something else? Love how Trump is still lying and continues to divide the country with his bullshit.

 

And Papa Johns thinks NFL players' protests are why its sales are dwindling, and that it has nothing to do with its shitty pizza. Lulz.

[nWo_Kevin]

 

Just wanted to point out that I posted this in the old political thread (and mocked for it).When I did bitcoin was worth $2,500 per coin. Tonight bitcoin is worth almost $7,000 per coin. You're welcome.

[Mango kid]

 

Just wanted to point out that I posted this in the old political thread (and mocked for it).When I did bitcoin was worth $2,500 per coin. Tonight bitcoin is worth almost $7,000 per coin. You're welcome.

But worthless if it ever fails and is there even a way to. Convert it to real money

[nWo_Kevin]

But worthless if it ever fails and is there even a way to. Convert it to real money

 

True but that could be applied to any currency. Countries such as Brazil have seen their currency diminish in value over the past couple of years. The pound had a flash crash last October didn't it?

 

Also I can convert my bitcoin to USD anytime I want using an online exchange.

[Mango kid]

Yeah but do u get the same amount u pay for most people wont pay 6000 for,one,coin

[nWo_Kevin]

Yeah but do u get the same amount u pay for most people wont pay 6000 for,one,coin

 

You should check out bittrex.com - click on Markets and than find Bitcoin at the very bottom. Bitcoin right now is worth about $6,753 and I could find someone to buy a full coin for about $6,717 as I'm typing this.

 

Of course you also don't have to buy or sell a full coin. You can buy .5 of a coin or .02 of a coin if you wish. It's also important to note that I always advise people to only buy what they are willing to lose. Just like with any kind of investment.

 

Bitcoin IMO has a lot of potential. Its only going to continue to grow long term. For people weary of big banks or government intervention, this is certainly something unique because it cant be controlled by either.

[M3J]

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/925495970032443392

 

This is funny because Junior acts as if he and his dad worked hard to earn their wealth when all of it has been inherited. At least taking half of candy is better than taking 80% of candy or 99% of candy and say they'll get it via trickle-down. And if the "socialist" candy benefits the other kid who couldn't trick or treat due to issues like broken leg or homework, then that's not a bad thing at all.

 

Also, if this is real, then this is the effect Trump has on America, and why so many people are against him. https://imgur.com/ZEA25Ko

[Generations]

 

Bitcoin IMO has a lot of potential. Its only going to continue to grow long term. For people weary of big banks or government intervention, this is certainly something unique because it cant be controlled by either.

 

 

Yeah...especially now that Trump has made it impossible for people to take legal action against banks that have *censored*ed them over. Almost as if it's all part of a plan...hmmm...drive people away from banks, and over to crytocurrency.

 

Dude makes it legal for ISPs to sell your private data...makes it impossible to sue corporations like Equifax for mishandling your sensitive data...makes it impossible to sue big banks. Sure...doesn't sound shady at all. Just funnel all your money into crytocurrency...when it disappears without a trace, don't come crying to me. Hell, I could even see the government mandating that crytocurrency is illegal and seizing all of it. Seems like big government and corporate interests have carte blanche to do whatever they feel like these days.

 

The safest place for your money, is in material possessions that other people want. Cars, jewelry, antiques, etc. Converting your money into the equivalent of digital "ether" has to be about the dumbest plan in the scheme of everything. The number of things that could go horribly wrong with bitcoin...is staggering. You buy a digital coin from one person...they get your money, they give you the coin. System sounds logical enough...until something happens to the servers, the internet, the electric grid in general, it's hacked, it's shutdown...and no one has any idea who is in possession of how many coins. At that point, you could have been the guy who invested in posessions that you still have. Or you could be the guy who just lost every cent because they were dumb enough to trust a currency that doesn't exist.

[AONO.]

I get what you are saying in theory Gen, and your skepticism is very valid. But it still is more complicated than that, because the servers that support it, will only continue to grow. And I know you probably didn't meant it like that, so no offence really, but you just wrote really sounded like some Y2K type of stuff.

 

The thing is, I belive that when cryptocurrency gets so big, the goveremnts only answer will be in digital currency, or basicly a completely new monetary system. And that is pretty much unavoidable... in let's say... the next few centuries or sooner?

 

And kinda related to that, there is a huge thing going on right now with Russia and China wth some other nations trying to do away with US dollar dominance... with petrodllars and all that stuff... Which doesn't sound good for peace... and with the whole militarisation thing going on in the US, Russia, China, and other smaller power players... a large scale conflict is getting more and more unavoidable.

 

I think that what you mostly get in history classes and education in general, are big events, years, dates... so you know what happened and when, but for example, climate for WWI and WWII, has been cooking up for years in advance...5-6...or ten years, maybe more, maybe less. But you get the picture. And we avoided another great war in the 20th century, things have supposedly calmed down since the cold war... but not really, since proxy wars have been and are still a thing, but the major power players and again ranking up the milittary numbers, diplomatic relations are getting worse by the day, and another finnancial collapse could easilly be the trigger. And another one is of course predicted for sooner rather than later... but hey, without crises you wouldn't have the capitalism we have today, so there's that I suppose too.