Yes the mother can, and many mothers have, but the main difference, if you don't understand biology, is that SHE'S still the one who gives birth and still the one who can actually die from childbirth, not fathers.
And the mother can leave and never see the kid again after she gives birth. You think being a single father is easy? There is a lot less support for single fathers than single mothers. Both parents have a choice to use protection or not, and that last sentence goes both ways. What if the mom wants a kid while the father doesn't? Barring extreme circumstances like rape or the mother's health being in danger should she go through with the pregnancy, both parents should have to sign off on an abortion.
Again, mothers are the ones who carry the fetus and puts her life at risk to give birth. the father does nothing other than impregnate her, and he can leave anytime he wants even if they agree to raise the baby together. Plus, the father has a choice at the beginning, like I said. Ask if she wants a family, and if she says no kids or getting pregnant, then he can move on.
If the mom wants a kid, then she'll have the kid and raise it. Before you ask the obvious question, the obvious answer is that women go through danger during pregnancy and giving birth, while men don't.
And no, both parents shouldn't. Only the pregnant woman does. What if the father decides to leave her a week after she finds out she's pregnant, and she doesn't want the baby anymore? Why should her choice be taken away?
And you don't understand how parenting works. Stop acting as if being a single dad is a walk in the park. Imagine having to raise a child with no support group or anyone to help you out.
You are aware of low the rate of death during childbirth is right? In the US it is 16 deaths for every 100,000 women in labour. If my math is correct that is a 0.016% chance. Extremely low. There is more chance of her dying from being run over.
In that situation you A: track the father down and ask him or B: if he cannot be tracked down for whatever reason his right to sign is rescinded. Though if he has already *censored*ed off after a week he obviously has no interest in the kid anyway. But if the father is actually there and DOES want the kid, then he should have the right to raise it even if the mother doesn't.
Where did I ever say being a single dad is easy? But I highly doubt single dads wouldn't have support group or anyone to help them. Feel free to provide stats or proof on that.
It doesn't matter how low the rate is, there's still a chance of pregnancy or birth going wrong, and the mother dying or being permanently impacted by the experience for a kid that she doesn't want. Why should she go through with it?
Nah, that's bullshit. Fathers shouldn't have a say whether the women want to get an abortion or not. If we somehow find a way for all the risks of pregnancy and birth be passed on to the fathers though, then sure, he should get a say. Until then, women's bodies, women's choice.
And as I've said, if he wants to have kids, then he should discuss that with the woman before entering a committed relationship.
You are aware protection isn't 100% effective, right? And why shouldn't they have sex just because of conservatives' hatred of women? As I said, if men got pregnant, then guaranteed no republican would be arguing to protect fetuses.
I'm not advocating killing any kid, there's no kid in abortion, just an embryo. Why should the woman risk her life giving birth to a kid that she doesn't want? If you're so worried about an embryo, then go to abortion clinics and pledge to support moms and their babies if they choose to give birth. And hell, support Planned Parenthood and better sex ed to reduce abortion.
The 2nd bold part answers the question to your first bold part. No?
No it does not. Shockingly, humans don't have sex just to reproduce. They probably did over 5 centuries ago, but this isn't the 1500s.
She shouldn't have sex because of the risk of getting pregnant?
I thought today, in the 21. century that it's been established that people have sex not only to reproduce? Or maybe I'm living in a fantasy woeld *shrug*
Maybe work on better sex education and educate on the importance of contraception?
why do you always in every issue, out of nowhere have do the "but what about men" schtik. that's why I called you out on it before (that time, I read that BS long post, but for a while didn't have time to respond, after that I thought it was too late anyway). that's what I've been saying about takong up space and derailing the issue. and of course there's a place and time for that...
Firstly, let me say I agree with the first half of your post. We need better sex education, and everyone should have the right to contraception.
Now, onto your question, it is because I feel that both men and women have their own issues in society. However, it seems that women's issues are focused on more than men's. For instance, if a woman is a victim of domestic abuse there are plenty of shelters and support she can go to, but if a male is a victim, he is SOL. As for that long post? It was about an issue I brought up on my own. Let's look at the post that started it all:
Instead if gun debate part 5,247,743,577, how about we change the topic to something fresh?
Honestly, this is a step in the right direction. Only thing I am worried about is true victims of rape having their cases thrown out due to lack of evidence and being charged.
No deflecting there, until you and M3J came along with your "but what about real rapes?" stuff, and you say there is a time and a place for it? Well considering that we can discuss gun and abortion laws in this thread, I think its only fair that we can discuss rape laws here, seeing as it has ties to the latter.
I'm sorry we care about actual victims who rarely see justice and actually have to live with having their bodies violated. If only men like you cared as much about victims of rape as you do false accusations, maybe we'd see tons more guilty people charged and thrown in jail and can do something about false accusations.
Women's issues are more focused on because they go through a lot more. Far more women are abused and are at disadvantage than men. Even if she does somehow find a shelter she can go to, nothing will stop her abusive s/o or ex from finding her and beating her or killing her. A male victim is shit out of luck because of how the society treats male victims, from trying to repress his emotions to not believing he can be a victim. Again, Terry Crews was sexually assaulted and guess what happened? Women supported him while men made fun of him and refused to believe him, saying he should have fought back. It's our own fault we don't have as much help or resources...
Hell, I read how Clark Gable tried to make sure no one caught him reading books because that wasn't seen as masculine. Hell, when women teachers were caught raping underage boys, most men said they were jealous of the boys and how they wished that happened to them, not even caring that it's statutory rape and creepy. I've seen more women defend these boys.
There are men who won't even think about the fact that men can get sexually harassed and assaulted too, but when women talk about their experiences, then somehow these men will say "men too!" Then in few hours when a male victim comes forward, they'll attack the victim and refuse to believe him, even shit on him. The problem lies with men and how they act, towards other men that aren't masculine (or act manly in moments) and towards women.
But to suggest that you shouldn't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant is either... idiotic, or trolling...
Because that would encompass personal responsibility. The left wants us to remain kids forever and let the parents (government) take care of all of their problems, until the government says no.
Sounds like horseshit, and ironic coming from someone whose party will screw over average citizens to line its own pockets and keep the wealthy wealthy.
Yes, it is responsible to accept that you are not ready to care for another life. Far more responsible than the people who have no business raising children but have a dozen of them.
As for it being "a man's choice"...what is your point? I could agree that maybe it should be discussed between both parties and agreed upon. If anything, I could see wanting stricter guidelines that both parties must sign a waiver...but a total ban does not accomplish that. You're giving no real solutions. As usual.
And literally no one said "abortions are no big deal". NO ONE.
This is 100% true. I don't know why anti-abortionists find this hard to understand, but then again they're most likely terrible parents as well.