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Poll: Government Shutdown (21 member(s) have cast votes)

What will come out of the shutdown?

  1. Republicans get what they want (2 votes [9.52%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

  2. Democrats Get what they want (1 votes [4.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  3. Both sides get something out of it (9 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  4. Neither side gets anything (9 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

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#3721 Generations

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Posted Yesterday, 11:10 PM

So hostile. I see nothing changes with you. lol. 

 

I think you need to learn the difference between hostility and dismissiveness. 



#3722 Bdon

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Posted Yesterday, 11:25 PM

 

So hostile. I see nothing changes with you. lol. 

 

I think you need to learn the difference between hostility and dismissiveness. 

 

I know the difference and you're both. I've seen your posts. The sad part about it is, it's who you are and who you are on this forum. Everyone is just getting used to it by now. You dodge a lot sure, you dismiss others opinions, but you're still hostile at the same time.



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Posted Yesterday, 11:28 PM

 

https://twitter.com/...565533211365377
 
Just a clump of cells.  Yeah right.

This is more damaging for your argument than helpful.
 
Bro gummy bears are not humans. This cherry-flavored fruit snack does not have constitutional rights, it doesn't even have opposable thumbs. This is the Snapchat ghost after a sunburn, not a baby. It cannot survive like this because it is not in the womb, feeding off the host, otherwise known as, the pregnant woman. Not viable to live on its own or even with medical tubes and incubators etc. Why are you placing more importance or "value" on this bloody loogie than an actual living, breathing, developed human being? If you think that is a baby, do you also refer to caterpillars as butterflies?

 


So you really don't see human life there? It's just a "bloody loogie" to you? Maybe I'm just sensitive to the topic because I do see a child there, and I truly do appreciate that you've taken the time to respond to my previous posts and don't attack me like others have here. But I just find most of this post disgusting. 



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Posted Today, 01:22 AM

 

 

https://twitter.com/...565533211365377
 
Just a clump of cells.  Yeah right.

This is more damaging for your argument than helpful.
 
Bro gummy bears are not humans. This cherry-flavored fruit snack does not have constitutional rights, it doesn't even have opposable thumbs. This is the Snapchat ghost after a sunburn, not a baby. It cannot survive like this because it is not in the womb, feeding off the host, otherwise known as, the pregnant woman. Not viable to live on its own or even with medical tubes and incubators etc. Why are you placing more importance or "value" on this bloody loogie than an actual living, breathing, developed human being? If you think that is a baby, do you also refer to caterpillars as butterflies?

 


So you really don't see human life there? It's just a "bloody loogie" to you? Maybe I'm just sensitive to the topic because I do see a child there, and I truly do appreciate that you've taken the time to respond to my previous posts and don't attack me like others have here. But I just find most of this post disgusting. 

 

No I don't see a human there. If it was presented without caption or context, I wouldn't know what it was, and I don't think I'm the only one. Sorry if that disgusts you but I don't think that's worth protecting at the expense of the woman it's attached to. I don't think we should be prosecuting women for not wanting to keep that in their body. 

 

 

Clears it up, still not a good argument. For one, I said nothing about value, I know that's how capitalists assess everything but that's not what I'm talking about here. Secondly, conception isn't concrete either. As I said to you before, fertilized eggs don't always become embryos and it doesn't happen at the same time for everyone. Per WebMD: "After the egg is released, it moves into the fallopian tube. It stays there for about 24 hours, waiting for a single sperm to fertilize it. All this happens, on average, about 2 weeks after your last period." Average, meaning the average of a range of different numbers. Similar to, if not, exactly like the range of different amounts of weeks before a fetus is able to survive without its host. So are you are a state law guy or a federal law guy? You want there to be a federal average or a state average?

 

Look at it like this, whether you want to accept it or not, you have to because abortions/terminations of pregnancy will happen one way or the other, so wouldn't it be best to allow a safe process that doesn't kill both the thing you think is a baby AND the mother? Isn't the mother still important, or "of value", as you would put it? Giving a person a chance to first realize they're pregnant (which these laws don't) and then giving them a deadline of a couple months to decide whether they want to go through with it or not before the embryo becomes viable outside of the womb sounds more than rational to both me, and the majority of the country, but for what's supposed to be a democracy, there are lot of unpopular laws and policies that are put in place without the say of the people.

 

If the woman were to drop dead at any moment, could the embryo survive? The answer is no because before a certain amount of weeks, it is a newly grown part of the woman's anatomy. In the same way that the dead woman can't perform sign language with her attached hand, the organism inside of her cannot continue to grow. It is not a human because humans do not need to physically feed off of other humans to survive. So the over-complication of all this seems indicative of other motivations than "preserving human life".

 

 

 

 



https://twitter.com/...565533211365377

 

Just a clump of cells.  Yeah right.

This is more damaging for your argument than helpful.

 

Bro gummy bears are not humans. This cherry-flavored fruit snack does not have constitutional rights, it doesn't even have opposable thumbs. This is the Snapchat ghost after a sunburn, not a baby. It cannot survive like this because it is not in the womb, feeding off the host, otherwise known as, the pregnant woman. Not viable to live on its own or even with medical tubes and incubators etc. Why are you placing more importance or "value" on this bloody loogie than an actual living, breathing, developed human being? If you think that is a baby, do you also refer to caterpillars as butterflies?

 

So this potential life is not important the same way a new born baby is? Because a new born child can't survive on its own outside the womb either without the parents or some able adult caring for it. Bullshit argument. Also the caterpillars comparison was just awful.

 

Bdon, Bdon, Bdon, I'm disappointed man. If you go back and look, I said "It is not a human because humans do not need to physically feed off of other humans to survive." I said that purposely because I knew someone would try this hacky argument. Did I really have to say "literally" for you to know exactly what I meant? That newborn child can survive exponentially longer than that embryo The_Shape posted because as soon as it is DETACHED from the womb it dies, meaning it is not viable. No one else can keep it alive. That's not the same for a baby, who can be taken care of by its mother or by someone else, which you pointed out. 

 

Importance in this context is not important to me, but if you want me to answer your question, my answer is yes. You literally said "potential life". I don't really have to say anything here, you hurt your own argument. Most "potential" things take a backseat because they haven't happened yet or they may never happen. I think a viable fetus is more important than a non-viable one.

 

Also, I meant for the caterpillar comparison to be taken at face value. A caterpillar can become a butterfly but until it does, it is a caterpillar and only a caterpillar. That embryo can be a baby, but it until it is, it's an embryo, which is why it's not called a baby. 

 

For the side of the argument that's all about "facts over feelings", you guys sure are often placing relative morals and subjective importance and how they feel over scientific facts, and in this case, it's when deciding what another human should do with their body. Not a good look if you ask me. This is the same side that often argues "no matter what you do, people are still gonna get guns" but yet you can't apply the same logic to abortions, which affects no one but the mother while a gun can and is meant to affect multiple people. Go ahead and tell me how they're different. Be consistent with the pro-lifeness.

 

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In other related news, GA prosecutors are pledging not to enforce this law. I'm young but I've never even heard of something like that happening before. It's unpopular. It infringes on women's freedoms. And before I get "what about the baby's freedom?!", that non-viable fetus doesn't have the freedom to do anything without the woman it's inside of being alive.



#3725 Generations

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Posted Today, 01:34 AM

 

I know the difference and you're both. I've seen your posts. The sad part about it is, it's who you are and who you are on this forum. Everyone is just getting used to it by now. You dodge a lot sure, you dismiss others opinions, but you're still hostile at the same time.

 

 

Ah...the classic "who you are". Yes...tell me more about how close we've been since I was child. We're practically brothers, you and I. I bet you could write my memoirs. 



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Posted Today, 01:54 AM

https://twitter.com/...565533211365377

 

Just a clump of cells.  Yeah right.

As soon as I saw that over 10 hours ago, I knew you or Kevin were somehow going to post that tweet here. It changes nothing though, still a mass of cells that can't even survive outside the mother's womb. Still not anyone's choice but the mom and the doctor's. If men could get pregnant, guaranteed you and Kevin, along with at least 90% of republican males, would support abortion, and we'd see way more birth control products and have more abortion services. 

 

 

Once again, it says more about republicans when they pretend to be pro-life but want more people to have more guns, do nothing about cops killing innocent people, are willing to punish women for putting their lives first, and do nothing to help families and kids who need assistance. Can't even back it up in real life. Oh, and as I have mentioned before, they encourage their mistresses to get abortion as well. 

 

 

So hostile. I see nothing changes with you. lol. 

 

I think you need to learn the difference between hostility and dismissiveness. 

 

You're being hostile. Not that I care as much as bdon's been hostile, but yeah. 



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Posted Today, 02:55 AM

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