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shooting in a CA school, and so far two students died while the shooter tried to off himself but is in critical condition. Also apparently, the republicans blocked a gun control bill around that time as well.

 

Disgraceful party, the republicans.

OK so I just found out this happened at my nieces school. This shit is as close as it gets for me now.

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2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

 

riiiight. nothing affects you. it's amusing, it's a show. who cares :)

 

I know you enjoy trolling, but it's not healthy do it 100% of the time.

 

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

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If he's sixteen, he shouldn't have had a handgun in the first place.

 

Now go full circle with that thought

 

No law those "evil republicans" could have passed would of prevented this school shooting. And also the current laws in place didn't prevent it either.

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Alright, I'll play. What conversation would you like to have?

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2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Alright, I'll play. What conversation would you like to have?

 

 

You know, meaning of life...

 

Right, we are going to pretend like that wasn't a troll sarcastic remark in a response to my post.

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2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Alright, I'll play. What conversation would you like to have?

 

 

You know, meaning of life...

 

Right, we are going to pretend like that wasn't a troll sarcastic remark in a response to my post.

 

 

You said you wanted to have a conversation. What would you like to talk about? Gun control? Trump Impeachments? Hillary claiming people are begging her to run again? That would be fun.

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2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Alright, I'll play. What conversation would you like to have?

 

 

You know, meaning of life...

 

Right, we are going to pretend like that wasn't a troll sarcastic remark in a response to my post.

 

 

You said you wanted to have a conversation. What would you like to talk about? Gun control? Trump Impeachments? Hillary claiming people are begging her to run again? That would be fun.

 

 

Again, let's not pretend that wasn't a response to mine or M3Js post.

 

Who the *Censored* cares about Hillary, and who even mentioned her?

 

I would have no problem to see you comment on Trumps impechment hearings. Since you are first to always make sarcastic comments about "hypocrisy" of Trump critics. Can't remember you ever commented on that.

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I would have no problem to see you comment on Trumps impechment hearings. Since you are first to always make sarcastic comments about "hypocrisy" of Trump critics. Can't remember you ever commented on that.

Personally I think it's going to end up being nothing more than a waste of time. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence/information worthy of impeachment. Plus the Republicans ultimately control how far impeachment could go and that isn't likely either. AOC said in an interview recently that among other things, this was a chance to unite the democrats and I think that's one of the main reasons for this whole thing. Instead of impeachment the left should be focused on trying to win next year. Unfortunately for them I don't believe they have a candidate strong enough to defeat Trump and there will be a lot of sad people on here come next November. Now things could certainly change and I'm willing to change my mind. But that's how I see things right now.

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shooting in a CA school, and so far two students died while the shooter tried to off himself but is in critical condition. Also apparently, the republicans blocked a gun control bill around that time as well.

 

Disgraceful party, the republicans.

OK so I just found out this happened at my nieces school. This shit is as close as it gets for me now.

 

Yikes, that's scary. Hope she's okay

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

 

riiiight. nothing affects you. it's amusing, it's a show. who cares :)

 

I know you enjoy trolling, but it's not healthy do it 100% of the time.

 

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

I think Kevin is one of the few who can have a normal conversation.

 

 

If he's sixteen, he shouldn't have had a handgun in the first place.

 

Now go full circle with that thought

 

No law those "evil republicans" could have passed would of prevented this school shooting. And also the current laws in place didn't prevent it either.

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Alright, I'll play. What conversation would you like to have?

 

Stricter gun control would close loopholes and enforce stricter punishment on anyone who sells guns without proper background check and such, which would scare them into actually playing by the rules. Current rules have loopholes that should be closed up. Only way none of this would have helped is if he bought the gun illegally or stole it.

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Stricter gun control would close loopholes and enforce stricter punishment on anyone who sells guns without proper background check and such, which would scare them into actually playing by the rules. Current rules have loopholes that should be closed up. Only way none of this would have helped is if he bought the gun illegally or stole it.

The kid was 15-16. He didn't buy the gun. If I understand the story (correct if wrong) he probably stole the gun from his parent(s). Which I assume they bought legally.

 

I know everyone rushes to stricter gun laws when this stuff happens but to me the bigger questions to ask would be: 1) How'd the kid get the gun and 2) Why did he do this? Was he bullied in school? Did he have mental issues that either teachers or parents ignored?

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And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.


https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

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And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

I know this isn't the shooting thread and we've been down this road a million times so I won't carry it on too long. But how is what you said in bold any different than when someone says "Quite silly to blame guns, considering most gun owners don't end up going on a shooting spree"?

 

And I wasn't making excuses for the kid. Though as someone who was bullied in school, I know it can obviously take you down a dark road as I'm sure others can attest to here. My point was mainly to ask questions about what happened instead of screaming for gun control or any other political point.

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I would have no problem to see you comment on Trumps impechment hearings. Since you are first to always make sarcastic comments about "hypocrisy" of Trump critics. Can't remember you ever commented on that.

Personally I think it's going to end up being nothing more than a waste of time. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence/information worthy of impeachment. Plus the Republicans ultimately control how far impeachment could go and that isn't likely either. AOC said in an interview recently that among other things, this was a chance to unite the democrats and I think that's one of the main reasons for this whole thing. Instead of impeachment the left should be focused on trying to win next year. Unfortunately for them I don't believe they have a candidate strong enough to defeat Trump and there will be a lot of sad people on here come next November. Now things could certainly change and I'm willing to change my mind. But that's how I see things right now.

 

 

How is exposing a presidents abuse of power and corrupt practices of his whole administration and associates a waste of time?

Why do you think that's not substantial evidence? If you think he shouldn't be impeached that's another thing. But evidence for impeachment is absolutely there.

Republicans control the final vote in the senate. And that's it. But yes Trump administration tries to stonewall and cover up as much as possible, doesn't mean that they are in control. They aren't. Even with that, there is a big possibility if it goes to a secret vote that a lot of republican would vote for removal, because that way they wouldn't directly lose their voting support.

That's why they are panicking. And that's why they can't provide one single argument of substance. "Questioning" of republicans in the first day of public hearing didn't give absolutely any kind of notion of concrete defence, other than attacking the democrats and trying to convince the public that there is nothing there. And there is absolutely something there, a lot of it.

 

You are always saying how there is GOP is too strong, Trump is too strong, Trump will win and so on. So I am going to ask you directly. Would you like to see him in power even after 2020 election?

Because you are always very vague and hyping up Trump administration and shooting down the Democrats. Like you have a sense of realism about everything that others that critique him lack.

I'm not even asking if you voted for Trump or even if you currently support him, even though your support is clearly there. It's not for "us vs them" reason. I just want you to be direct for once.

 

EDIT: I do agree that they should focus on winning and providing better policies. That's why presidential candidates are mainly not involved in the impeachment process. The congress and the committees are doing their job however, and are also overseeing a president that needs clearly needs to be overseen to say the least.

Also, it's hard to focus on "just winning" if the president in power is abusing his power to win that election. So yes, how is all this just a waste of time?

 

With everything said, I fail to see how 2020 will be "glorious".

And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

You have a really narrow view on all of this to be quite honest.

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It's been a long time coming. Dude was a major POS.

 

Also, another point goes to the Muller investigation.

 

But yes, Trump is totally innocent. As soon as he leaves office, by removal or election, dude is gonna get slapped with charges. And there will be no one to defend him, because all his remaining friends will be exposed too (they already are though actually) and wouldn't want to touch him with a ten foot pole, and he burned all the bridges he could.

 

As soon as he leaves office, there will be nothing to protect him. Republicans who supported him through all this can spin everything, and remain to be... well, politicians. I think that's what he never got.

 

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How is exposing a presidents abuse of power and corrupt practices of his whole administration and associates a waste of time?

Why do you think that's not substantial evidence? If you think he shouldn't be impeached that's another thing. But evidence for impeachment is absolutely there.

Republicans control the final vote in the senate. And that's it. But yes Trump administration tries to stonewall and cover up as much as possible, doesn't mean that they are in control. They aren't. Even with that, there is a big possibility if it goes to a secret vote that a lot of republican would vote for removal, because that way they wouldn't directly lose their voting support.

That's why they are panicking. And that's why they can't provide one single argument of substance. "Questioning" of republicans in the first day of public hearing didn't give absolutely any kind of notion of concrete defence, other than attacking the democrats and trying to convince the public that there is nothing there. And there is absolutely something there, a lot of it.

 

You are always saying how there is GOP is too strong, Trump is too strong, Trump will win and so on. So I am going to ask you directly. Would you like to see him in power even after 2020 election?

Because you are always very vague and hyping up Trump administration and shooting down the Democrats. Like you have a sense of realism about everything that others that critique him lack.

I'm not even asking if you voted for Trump or even if you currently support him, even though your support is clearly there. It's not for "us vs them" reason. I just want you to be direct for once.

What evidence would that be exactly? This impeachment basically comes down to 2 arguments. The left is arguing based on a lot of hearsay that Trump bribed Ukraine into getting him information on Biden that he could use against him in the election. Trump meanwhile says that he was looking into Joe Biden and corruption involving him and the democrats. Which isn't all that crazy, or illegal, considering the fact that there is a justice department investigation involving the Obama Administration and Ukraine and their involvement into the 2016 election.
Which circles back to why I think its a waste of time. The first being we are a year away from the election. If you want Trump gone....beat him. But I don't believe the democrats think they can. But even if there wasn't an election coming up. The evidence isn't strong enough to impeach Trump. Again, you are welcome to present information that leads you to believe otherwise. And last but not least, even if there was enough I don't thik the democrats want to go deep enough down the rabbit hole because they know their finger prints are all over Ukraine too.
But moving on and focusing on your statement about the Republicans holding a secret vote. What motivation would they have to hold a legit vote and remove Trump? That argument simply doesn't make sense. It would be foolish on their end and its not going to happen.
And I find it funny how you see me as some ultra GOP supporter and how I think they're invincible despite the fact that I said in 2016 that Trump was going to lose to Hillary and I said in the last big election that the Democrats were going to take control of the house. Personally I think I'm pretty fair but if anything it seems I give the left too much credit.
Putting that aside, and to clear things up yet again: In 2016 I voted third party. I don't even remember what person I voted for to be honest with you. I simply didn't want to vote for Clinton or Trump. Next year I'll probably vote Trump but it depends on who he's facing. Someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Yeah...I'll take Trump. And I have no problems with 4 more years of Trump if that happens to be the case. I don't like everything he's done as president but if people want to sit here and pretend like he's done nothing good and he's "not my president" than thats on them.
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What evidence would that be exactly? This impeachment basically comes down to 2 arguments. The left is arguing based on a lot of hearsay that Trump bribed Ukraine into getting him information on Biden that he could use against him in the election. Trump meanwhile says that he was looking into Joe Biden and corruption involving him and the democrats. Which isn't all that crazy, or illegal, considering the fact that there is a justice department investigation involving the Obama Administration and Ukraine and their involvement into the 2016 election.
Which circles back to why I think its a waste of time. The first being we are a year away from the election. If you want Trump gone....beat him. But I don't believe the democrats think they can. But even if there wasn't an election coming up. The evidence isn't strong enough to impeach Trump. Again, you are welcome to present information that leads you to believe otherwise. And last but not least, even if there was enough I don't thik the democrats want to go deep enough down the rabbit hole because they know their finger prints are all over Ukraine too.
But moving on and focusing on your statement about the Republicans holding a secret vote. What motivation would they have to hold a legit vote and remove Trump? That argument simply doesn't make sense. It would be foolish on their end and its not going to happen.
And I find it funny how you see me as some ultra GOP supporter and how I think they're invincible despite the fact that I said in 2016 that Trump was going to lose to Hillary and I said in the last big election that the Democrats were going to take control of the house. Personally I think I'm pretty fair but if anything it seems I give the left too much credit.
Putting that aside, and to clear things up yet again: In 2016 I voted third party. I don't even remember what person I voted for to be honest with you. I simply didn't want to vote for Clinton or Trump. Next year I'll probably vote Trump but it depends on who he's facing. Someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Yeah...I'll take Trump. And I have no problems with 4 more years of Trump if that happens to be the case. I don't like everything he's done as president but if people want to sit here and pretend like he's done nothing good and he's "not my president" than thats on them.

 

 

No it really doesn't boil down to those two arguments. "The left" (nothing left about Democratic liberals really), doesn't argue bribery. It argues that Trump withheld military aid to an allied nation, that was approved by congress to solicit them into an investigation about a political opponent. I explained how is that an abuse of his power and clearly against any kind of democratic election principle.

An ongoing investigation? I'm not sure what you are talking about.

 

Call transcripts and multiple witness corroboration is not hearsay. And there is a vastness of detail and context presented, which I guess you wish to ignore. Again, they are putting a lot out there, but the GOP and Trumps defense is nowhere to be seen other than stonewalling, trying to pressure people in every way imaginable to not testify, attacking democrats on ridiculous assumptions and petty notions... and to claim there is nothing to be seen, that it's all a "sham", while every day can't provide any evidence to the contrary of what is being said They had a chance to question the witnesses on public hearings, but the line of questioning was non existent. Trying to out the whistleblower in every imaginable possible way and failing, Trump calling him out for treason, while at the same time saying treasonous crimes should be punishable by death. They want him to testify. I've never seen an innocent man act like this, and he has a chance to testify.

Trump and his republican supporters and being fact checked every single day, with ease.

Trumps only defense tactic is gaslighting, which is also done from day one.

 

What evidence by you, would be strong enough? That's the thing they are counting on you to believe the fact that it's nothing, by distorting facts, by creating an alternative reality and alternative facts. That's what the Trump campaign has been doing from the start, supported by the interests of wealthy conservatives and alt right and far right groups.

 

The motivation of a GOP member to remove Trump would be his authoritarian, erratic, and mentally unstable presidency. And to provide a candidate who yes, would of course serve their interest, but be the opposite of Trump so they can continue with their agendas. Maybe they are not doing that because they can't? Same thing you said for the dems could be said for them really. They would have a hard time if any chance if they didn't accept Trump in 2016, and there was a lot of reluctance about that, let's not forget. But they decided to chose a neccessary evil. And now, they are very much risking a lot if he stays in power for another 4 years. Trump has peaked and burned every bridge possible. If they are so sure that the Democratic party is so weak, then they would easily beat them with Pence or another new candidate.

 

I never said you are a "ultra GOP" supporter, so laugh all you want, but don't put words in my mouth. I thought you were a third party conservative, and a Trump supporter who has no problem with his wrongdoings, lies and disastrous way of leading the country. Maybe I am half right about that, but I am right that you support him. That's the only thing I asked you, and that's what you always avoid to say. I didn't even think you voted for Trump, and I never asked who you vote for, but thank you for confirming that assumption. And it's a cool thing you didn't vote for either of them. Which doesn't mean I saw you as a stereotyped Trump supporter either. And you and I have obviously very different ways of defining the "left", so don't lump me into that one either.

It's not about ousting, it's about having an honest conversation.

I never even used conservative as an insult. And I am just saying that because people will say it's about that. People have their right to do anything, as long as they do not trample on others rights.

And I said this for like fifty times, every times when someone chooses to make a "funny" assumption. I even said it to you a couple of times, but you chose to ignore it. I don't support the democratic party, Bernie Sanders is not my savior. For the longest time, there was the notion and a mutual agreement that politicians are corrupt and that they whole system is corrupt and that it doesn't matter who is president. A reality show president changed that. Trump administration changed that. Me attacking him and wanting to see him getting removed from office doesn't mean that I somehow naively think that a glorious system is in place. I had no problem critiquing Obamas presidency, the foreign policy in Syria and the middle east during that time, and the whole gun waiving and looking for a war with Russia even more so with Hillary basically campaigning on that.

And I have a huge problem with nationalist and far right ideology behind Trump, who in return empowers that ideology.

 

With that being said, his presidency is more than a "partisan issue" or "left vs right". It's anything but that.

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Are you trying to say that even if hypothetically the Biden's were doing something wrong, Trump shouldn't be allowed to use aid for quid pro quo (even though quid pro quo's for aid happen all of the time) to investigate the Biden's because Joe Biden happens to be his political opponent?

 

That seems pretty out there. That would mean that anytime an incumbent is up for reelection, the other candidate can do whatever they want because they are immune from investigation at the federal level.

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shooting in a CA school, and so far two students died while the shooter tried to off himself but is in critical condition. Also apparently, the republicans blocked a gun control bill around that time as well.

 

Disgraceful party, the republicans.

OK so I just found out this happened at my nieces school. This shit is as close as it gets for me now.

 

Yikes, that's scary. Hope she's okay

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

 

riiiight. nothing affects you. it's amusing, it's a show. who cares :)

 

I know you enjoy trolling, but it's not healthy do it 100% of the time.

 

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Yeah, her friend actually got shot. I don't talk to my niece much at all these days but I keep up with her on Instagram where she put up pics of her friend. Poor girls.

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Are you trying to say that even if hypothetically the Biden's were doing something wrong, Trump shouldn't be allowed to use aid for quid pro quo (even though quid pro quo's for aid happen all of the time) to investigate the Biden's because Joe Biden happens to be his political opponent?

 

That seems pretty out there. That would mean that anytime an incumbent is up for reelection, the other candidate can do whatever they want because they are immune from investigation at the federal level.

 

Hypothetically, he doesn't just happen to be his direct political opponent. You've put it together wrong. Hypothetically, no, Trump shouldn't be allowed to use vital military aid as a bargaining chip to serve his private interest. We are not talking about alleged "quid pro quo" in various foreign policy negotiations. Military aid to Ukraine wasn't just a gift because of benevolence, Ukraine is a strategic ally. And yes, I have my opinions about the foreign policy in general, during Obamas administration and Trumps, and before, and so on... but that's not the issue. Trump didn't do it serve national interests, it was for his political gain. Does his opponent have the possibility of using federal resources and diplomatic back channels to gain dirt on him? He doesn't. Also, I forgot to mention in my earlier points, it's also tax payers money. And should tax payers money be used for his political gain? No it shouldn't.

He could have send some of his croneys to do the dirty work privately...I mean, well, he did, he used Rudy Gulliani, which is also another issue.... but no, he used his power as the POTUS. And he abused that power. That is the issue.

 

And no, that's backward logic and it's is not what it would mean, and I just explained a part of it. They are not immune to investigation, that is nowhere being said, and I have no idea where did you come up with that. Joe Biden has no kind of immunity. They acted on an assumption and conspiracy theory. Context is also very vital, which is established by witnesses that you can hear during the public hearing (or could have so far).

 

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And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

I know this isn't the shooting thread and we've been down this road a million times so I won't carry it on too long. But how is what you said in bold any different than when someone says "Quite silly to blame guns, considering most gun owners don't end up going on a shooting spree"?

 

And I wasn't making excuses for the kid. Though as someone who was bullied in school, I know it can obviously take you down a dark road as I'm sure others can attest to here. My point was mainly to ask questions about what happened instead of screaming for gun control or any other political point.

 

As explained many times, guns do deserve blame as they make it easy to commit mass murder. I'm confused as to how this is hard to understand, it's like gun defenders are ignoring what guns can do and why they're an ideal weapon. I think your analogy would make more sense if you used gun owners instead of guns, as it'd be silly to blame all gun owners for the actions of a few.

 

I agree. And fair enough, but we can do both as well, if the kid was able to exploit the broken/loopholed laws to get guns.

 

 

 

I would have no problem to see you comment on Trumps impechment hearings. Since you are first to always make sarcastic comments about "hypocrisy" of Trump critics. Can't remember you ever commented on that.

Personally I think it's going to end up being nothing more than a waste of time. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence/information worthy of impeachment. Plus the Republicans ultimately control how far impeachment could go and that isn't likely either. AOC said in an interview recently that among other things, this was a chance to unite the democrats and I think that's one of the main reasons for this whole thing. Instead of impeachment the left should be focused on trying to win next year. Unfortunately for them I don't believe they have a candidate strong enough to defeat Trump and there will be a lot of sad people on here come next November. Now things could certainly change and I'm willing to change my mind. But that's how I see things right now.

 

 

How is exposing a presidents abuse of power and corrupt practices of his whole administration and associates a waste of time?

Why do you think that's not substantial evidence? If you think he shouldn't be impeached that's another thing. But evidence for impeachment is absolutely there.

Republicans control the final vote in the senate. And that's it. But yes Trump administration tries to stonewall and cover up as much as possible, doesn't mean that they are in control. They aren't. Even with that, there is a big possibility if it goes to a secret vote that a lot of republican would vote for removal, because that way they wouldn't directly lose their voting support.

That's why they are panicking. And that's why they can't provide one single argument of substance. "Questioning" of republicans in the first day of public hearing didn't give absolutely any kind of notion of concrete defence, other than attacking the democrats and trying to convince the public that there is nothing there. And there is absolutely something there, a lot of it.

 

You are always saying how there is GOP is too strong, Trump is too strong, Trump will win and so on. So I am going to ask you directly. Would you like to see him in power even after 2020 election?

Because you are always very vague and hyping up Trump administration and shooting down the Democrats. Like you have a sense of realism about everything that others that critique him lack.

I'm not even asking if you voted for Trump or even if you currently support him, even though your support is clearly there. It's not for "us vs them" reason. I just want you to be direct for once.

 

EDIT: I do agree that they should focus on winning and providing better policies. That's why presidential candidates are mainly not involved in the impeachment process. The congress and the committees are doing their job however, and are also overseeing a president that needs clearly needs to be overseen to say the least.

Also, it's hard to focus on "just winning" if the president in power is abusing his power to win that election. So yes, how is all this just a waste of time?

 

With everything said, I fail to see how 2020 will be "glorious".

And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

You have a really narrow view on all of this to be quite honest.

 

There were data/stats on how majority of shooters/mass killers are men who are angry at women or woman. I'm sure I linked the article here or in the other thread, but I can't be assed to find it.

 

Putting that aside, and to clear things up yet again: In 2016 I voted third party. I don't even remember what person I voted for to be honest with you. I simply didn't want to vote for Clinton or Trump. Next year I'll probably vote Trump but it depends on who he's facing. Someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Yeah...I'll take Trump. And I have no problems with 4 more years of Trump if that happens to be the case. I don't like everything he's done as president but if people want to sit here and pretend like he's done nothing good and he's "not my president" than thats on them.

 

 

So you'd rather have someone who puts himself above the country that he's actively dividing as your president over the either two people who is trying to put the 99% above the wealthy? Sounds about right wing. I'm intrigued though, what good did he do? As far as I know, a lot of good that he takes credit for started under Obama, and all Trump can really be credited for is not *censored*ing it up.

 

Shame there are so few right wingers who know better than to support Trump at all.

 

 

 

 

shooting in a CA school, and so far two students died while the shooter tried to off himself but is in critical condition. Also apparently, the republicans blocked a gun control bill around that time as well.

 

Disgraceful party, the republicans.

OK so I just found out this happened at my nieces school. This shit is as close as it gets for me now.

 

Yikes, that's scary. Hope she's okay

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

 

riiiight. nothing affects you. it's amusing, it's a show. who cares :)

 

I know you enjoy trolling, but it's not healthy do it 100% of the time.

 

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Yeah, her friend actually got shot. I don't talk to my niece much at all these days but I keep up with her on Instagram where she put up pics of her friend. Poor girls.

 

oh jeez, hope her friend's okay. holy shit

 

 

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1194994816779579392

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And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

I know this isn't the shooting thread and we've been down this road a million times so I won't carry it on too long. But how is what you said in bold any different than when someone says "Quite silly to blame guns, considering most gun owners don't end up going on a shooting spree"?

 

And I wasn't making excuses for the kid. Though as someone who was bullied in school, I know it can obviously take you down a dark road as I'm sure others can attest to here. My point was mainly to ask questions about what happened instead of screaming for gun control or any other political point.

 

As explained many times, guns do deserve blame as they make it easy to commit mass murder. I'm confused as to how this is hard to understand, it's like gun defenders are ignoring what guns can do and why they're an ideal weapon. I think your analogy would make more sense if you used gun owners instead of guns, as it'd be silly to blame all gun owners for the actions of a few.

 

I agree. And fair enough, but we can do both as well, if the kid was able to exploit the broken/loopholed laws to get guns.

 

 

 

I would have no problem to see you comment on Trumps impechment hearings. Since you are first to always make sarcastic comments about "hypocrisy" of Trump critics. Can't remember you ever commented on that.

Personally I think it's going to end up being nothing more than a waste of time. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence/information worthy of impeachment. Plus the Republicans ultimately control how far impeachment could go and that isn't likely either. AOC said in an interview recently that among other things, this was a chance to unite the democrats and I think that's one of the main reasons for this whole thing. Instead of impeachment the left should be focused on trying to win next year. Unfortunately for them I don't believe they have a candidate strong enough to defeat Trump and there will be a lot of sad people on here come next November. Now things could certainly change and I'm willing to change my mind. But that's how I see things right now.

 

 

How is exposing a presidents abuse of power and corrupt practices of his whole administration and associates a waste of time?

Why do you think that's not substantial evidence? If you think he shouldn't be impeached that's another thing. But evidence for impeachment is absolutely there.

Republicans control the final vote in the senate. And that's it. But yes Trump administration tries to stonewall and cover up as much as possible, doesn't mean that they are in control. They aren't. Even with that, there is a big possibility if it goes to a secret vote that a lot of republican would vote for removal, because that way they wouldn't directly lose their voting support.

That's why they are panicking. And that's why they can't provide one single argument of substance. "Questioning" of republicans in the first day of public hearing didn't give absolutely any kind of notion of concrete defence, other than attacking the democrats and trying to convince the public that there is nothing there. And there is absolutely something there, a lot of it.

 

You are always saying how there is GOP is too strong, Trump is too strong, Trump will win and so on. So I am going to ask you directly. Would you like to see him in power even after 2020 election?

Because you are always very vague and hyping up Trump administration and shooting down the Democrats. Like you have a sense of realism about everything that others that critique him lack.

I'm not even asking if you voted for Trump or even if you currently support him, even though your support is clearly there. It's not for "us vs them" reason. I just want you to be direct for once.

 

EDIT: I do agree that they should focus on winning and providing better policies. That's why presidential candidates are mainly not involved in the impeachment process. The congress and the committees are doing their job however, and are also overseeing a president that needs clearly needs to be overseen to say the least.

Also, it's hard to focus on "just winning" if the president in power is abusing his power to win that election. So yes, how is all this just a waste of time?

 

With everything said, I fail to see how 2020 will be "glorious".

And thus, why we need to do something to make sure guns are locked up safely in a house with kids. Monitor them, etc. Also quite silly to blame mental illness or being bullied, considering most people with mental illnesses don't end up going on a shooting spree, despite what republicans like to believe. Wouldn't be shocked if he went on a shooting spree because he's an incel.

https://twitter.com/tictoc/status/1195240045965430784

 

You have a really narrow view on all of this to be quite honest.

 

There were data/stats on how majority of shooters/mass killers are men who are angry at women or woman. I'm sure I linked the article here or in the other thread, but I can't be assed to find it.

 

Putting that aside, and to clear things up yet again: In 2016 I voted third party. I don't even remember what person I voted for to be honest with you. I simply didn't want to vote for Clinton or Trump. Next year I'll probably vote Trump but it depends on who he's facing. Someone like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren? Yeah...I'll take Trump. And I have no problems with 4 more years of Trump if that happens to be the case. I don't like everything he's done as president but if people want to sit here and pretend like he's done nothing good and he's "not my president" than thats on them.

 

 

So you'd rather have someone who puts himself above the country that he's actively dividing as your president over the either two people who is trying to put the 99% above the wealthy? Sounds about right wing. I'm intrigued though, what good did he do? As far as I know, a lot of good that he takes credit for started under Obama, and all Trump can really be credited for is not *censored*ing it up.

 

Shame there are so few right wingers who know better than to support Trump at all.

 

 

 

 

shooting in a CA school, and so far two students died while the shooter tried to off himself but is in critical condition. Also apparently, the republicans blocked a gun control bill around that time as well.

 

Disgraceful party, the republicans.

OK so I just found out this happened at my nieces school. This shit is as close as it gets for me now.

 

Yikes, that's scary. Hope she's okay

 

 

2020 is going to be glorious I can feel it.

 

riiiight. nothing affects you. it's amusing, it's a show. who cares :)

 

I know you enjoy trolling, but it's not healthy do it 100% of the time.

 

It would be cool if you could have a normal conversation at least once.

 

 

Yeah, her friend actually got shot. I don't talk to my niece much at all these days but I keep up with her on Instagram where she put up pics of her friend. Poor girls.

 

oh jeez, hope her friend's okay. holy shit

 

 

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/marclamonthill/status/1194994816779579392

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Her friend will survive, she's recovering in the hospital. Just so sad that this is the norm. This shit's like a cancer, pretty soon we will all know someone who's been affected by gun violence.

 

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It's sad and scary because gun violence can happen anywhere, whether in school or place of worship. And all the racist right are focused on is immigrants despite the fact that it's usually white males committing these mass shootings.

 

Also hope the medical bill won't be high, or that she'd have to pay it. That'd be an unneeded stress for her.

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