Crazy. Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So I have to possibly experience Reigns beating Strowman, Lesnar beating Joe, and then Reigns beating Lesnar for the title - all in the space of the next two months. Man, this is gonna test me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So I have to possibly experience Reigns beating Strowman, Lesnar beating Joe, and then Reigns beating Lesnar for the title - all in the space of the next two months. Man, this is gonna test me... Im with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 So I have to possibly experience Reigns beating Strowman, Lesnar beating Joe, and then Reigns beating Lesnar for the title - all in the space of the next two months. Man, this is gonna test me... Im with you. I'm with you two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 You lads already forgot Reigns beat Balor clean while supposedly injured a couple weeks ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willows Way Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Reigns beats everyone clean its not a shocker anymore. I go into every Reigns match assuming hes winning to soften the blow. Its still upsetting tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 You lads already forgot Reigns beat Balor clean while supposedly injured a couple weeks ago? Who cares. That match was meaningless. It was worse when he beat Wyatt as soon as he began his mission to hurt everyone in the Extreme Rules match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 You lads already forgot Reigns beat Balor clean while supposedly injured a couple weeks ago? Who cares. That match was meaningless. It was worse when he beat Wyatt as soon as he began his mission to hurt everyone in the Extreme Rules match. Who cares. That match was meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 There was actually story there. But yeah, when it comes down to it, 95% of matches on RAW are meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 It still doesn't mean losses are meaningless. You think it wouldn't matter if Brock showed up on Raw and lost a random match to whoever? Or Cena? Not losing those meaningless matches is the difference maker. That's why I laughed after that Finn vs Roman match when someone said 'don't worry they'll all be trading wins and losses building up to the ppv'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Difference is Lesnar is an unstoppable force who is built up to be on another level and Cena is ... Cena. Also on another level. Active superstars who wrestle week in and week out can afford random losses on weekly television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 You know how you won't get on that level? Losing random matches on TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yeah? Well not everyone can get on that level. Hence why they're special cases. Plus not everyone needs to be on that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Yeah? Well not everyone can get on that level. Hence why they're special cases. Plus not everyone needs to be on that level.some need to be close atleast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Great mentality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 It still doesn't mean losses are meaningless. You think it wouldn't matter if Brock showed up on Raw and lost a random match to whoever? Or Cena? Not losing those meaningless matches is the difference maker. That's why I laughed after that Finn vs Roman match when someone said 'don't worry they'll all be trading wins and losses building up to the ppv'. One of the dudes who book SD (Road Dogg) flat out admitted they don't. That's why you see dudes like Wyatt and Jinder becoming champion after losing constantly. If they don't care, why should I care? I know you like to take wrestling seriously (not a personal shot btw) but WWE does not treat wrestling like a sport like other promotions do. It's entertainment first. Personally, I prefer the booking in NXT. But yeah, I don't take random losses on RAW or SD, that rarely ever get brought up again, seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 It still doesn't mean losses are meaningless. You think it wouldn't matter if Brock showed up on Raw and lost a random match to whoever? Or Cena? Not losing those meaningless matches is the difference maker. That's why I laughed after that Finn vs Roman match when someone said 'don't worry they'll all be trading wins and losses building up to the ppv'. One of the dudes who book SD (Road Dogg) flat out admitted they don't. That's why you see dudes like Wyatt and Jinder becoming champion after losing constantly. If they don't care, why should I care? They not caring about wins and losses doesn't mean the fans don't. Do you think fans would've bought in to Lesnar when he came in if instead of dominating his opponents he was getting 50/50 booking and losing every couple weeks? And do you actually believe they believe that? If that was the case why does Roman never lose clean in random matches like everyone else? Just a coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Balor is definitely the kind of guy who can eat losses, as long as he wins the big matches when they matter. Oh...and as long as the losses look like he legitimately almost won, but then didn't. If he's putting everything into a match and then losing for what is essentially poor luck, I think that's fine. Obviously not losing every match...but he can lose a handful here and there. He isn't a big guy. Nothing about him screams "'l'll look silly if I lose". I take greater exception to someone like Rusev being jobbed out. There's a guy who looks like he should be winning 90% of his matches...and when he does lose, it should look like someone really pulled one over on him. But, everything is in its own category. One person losing a bunch is not the same as someone else losing a bunch. Balor can take those losses...for now. WWE shouldn't make a habit of it, but I don't see cause for alarm. In fact, I feel like Reigns specifically has been pretty good at telling a story with his opponents...where he wins, but he usually looks like he underestimated the shit out of them and almost didn't win. Another reason why I really don't mind the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Agree with everything Gen said except the Reigns thing. AND that's only because I hate going into matches knowing who is going to win. Like I do with Reigns matches 90% of the time. There's a big difference between Balor and Brock. Character wise. I don't think Bray or Rusev (who went undefeated for a year) should be losing often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Agree with everything Gen said except the Reigns thing. AND that's only because I hate going into matches knowing who is going to win. Like I do with Reigns matches 90% of the time. Reigns has actually lost to some pretty surprising opponents...so, I don't really get these types of complaints. The outcome of his matches isn't nearly as predictable as some other people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 The thing is remember how big it was when Balor on his first night on Raw beat Roman clean in the middle? That was a big moment because not only was it a no1 contender's match but because he beat Roman. If Roman was losing every other week it would've mean meaningless, that's the thing. What motivation do I have to watch any singles match that has no repercussions if it doesn't matter who wins? And yeah, Balor beat Roman clean when Roman was at 100% and then Roman beat Balor on Raw with *censored*ed up ribs, but whatever. They might say wins and losses don't matter but the average casual fan would look at that and say 'damn, Roman with *censored*ed up ribs still beat this guy? What a neeerd'. The conclusion to take is that Balor is clearly not on Roman's league and why would you want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Great mentality The mentality of realism? The mentality that not every can be on Brock and Cena's level and that they can still be huge successful stars without needing to be? Get your head out the clouds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil' Kazu Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Agree with everything Gen said except the Reigns thing. AND that's only because I hate going into matches knowing who is going to win. Like I do with Reigns matches 90% of the time. Reigns has actually lost to some pretty surprising opponents...so, I don't really get these types of complaints. The outcome of his matches isn't nearly as predictable as some other people... Like who? O_o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Reigns has lost to both Ambrose and Rollins right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St★rstruck Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 I don't think Reigns has lost to Ambrose 1v1, but Ambrose did pin him in that Shield Triple Threat last year. Notable loses that Reigns has taken recently have been against Rollins, Joe (twice), Bálor, Owens, and Strowman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardd Posted June 30, 2017 Report Share Posted June 30, 2017 Agree with everything Gen said except the Reigns thing. AND that's only because I hate going into matches knowing who is going to win. Like I do with Reigns matches 90% of the time. Reigns has actually lost to some pretty surprising opponents...so, I don't really get these types of complaints. The outcome of his matches isn't nearly as predictable as some other people... He rarely loses on RAW. And he doesn't entertain me aside from his feud with Braun so that's also part of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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