Mango kid Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 BOSTON (AP) — Michelle Carter and Conrad Roy III are both sad figures in a teenage tragedy that ended with Roy killing himself and Carter charged with manslaughter. A juvenile court judge now finds himself at the center of a legal quagmire: Should he set a legal precedent in Massachusetts by convicting Carter of manslaughter for encouraging Roy to take his own life through dozens of text messages? Or should he acquit her and risk sending a message that Carter's behavior was less than criminal? Judge Lawrence Moniz is deliberating Carter's fate following a jury-waived trial that provided a disturbing look at teen depression and suicide. It is not clear when the judge will issue his verdict. The case has been closely watched in the legal community and widely shared on social media, in part, because of the dozens of text messages Carter sent Roy in the days before he was found dead of carbon monoxide poisoning in his truck parked in a Kmart parking lot. "You're finally going to be happy in heaven. No more pain. It's okay to be scared and it's normal. I mean, you're about to die," Carter wrote in one message. Her texts later became more insistent after Roy appeared to delay his plan. "I thought you wanted to do this. The time is right and you're ready __ just do it babe," she wrote. In another text sent the day Roy died, Carter wrote: "You can't think about it. You just have to do it. You said you were gonna do it. Like I don't get why you aren't." Carter is accused of involuntary manslaughter, a charge that can be brought in Massachusetts when someone causes the death of another person when engaging in reckless or wanton conduct that creates a high degree of likelihood of substantial harm. Prosecutors have argued that Carter's text messages support their claim that Carter caused Roy's death by "wantonly and recklessly" helping him poison himself. Roy, 18, had a history of depression and had attempted suicide in 2012, taking an overdose of Tylenol. Roy's mother testified at Carter's trial that Roy seemed to improve after he began taking medication and getting counseling. He graduated from high school in 2014 and had plans to attend college, she said. Carter, then 17, also had struggled with depression, as well as anorexia, and had been prescribed antidepressants. Carter and Roy met in Florida in 2012 while visiting relatives. Their relationship largely consisted of text messages and emails. Daniel Medwed, a law professor at Northeastern University, said the judge has a difficult task in determining whether Carter's actions rise to the level of manslaughter. There is no Massachusetts law against encouraging someone to kill themselves. Medwed said the judge could consider Carter "morally blameworthy," but "moral blame doesn't always equal legal accountability. " Martin Healy, chief legal counsel of the Massachusetts Bar Association, said the case also presents some novel issues of law on the use of cellphones and text messages. Carter was not with Roy when he killed himself, but she was talking on the phone with him as his truck filled with carbon monoxide. At one point, when Roy became frightened and got out of his truck, Carter told him to "get back in," according to a text she later sent to a friend. Carter appealed the manslaughter charge, but the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found that there was enough evidence for the case to go to trial. The court found that Carter was "virtually present" at the time of Roy's suicide. In order to convict Carter, the judge would have to find that prosecutors had proven the elements of manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt, a much higher legal standard to reach than the probable cause that was needed for the grand jury to indict her. lets debate should she be charge for his death even tho she had no hand in the suicide herself but just texts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 She encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself and kept pushing him to do it. She's guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 I don't really have time to care about a "teenage tragedy". But...at best, the chick is clinically unwell and should be placed in a looney bin. At worst, she's a terrible person who drove a man to kill himself. Judging by what I read, I'm going with the former. Either way, that's the world we live in now...full of *censored*ing lunatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The question is should she be charge with a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The question is should she be charge with a crime She is already charged with involuntary manslaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted June 15, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 The question is should she be charge with a crime She is already charged with involuntary manslaughter yes but the question should she be she committed no crime the judge got to figure it out if he sentences her that sets precedence honesty i think she should be let go as she didn't committe a crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Depends. If they can prove she drove him to suicide with malicious intent, that would be a good case. She would definitely need to be held accountable. If it's not ruled "technically a crime", then she can still get with hit a lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted June 15, 2017 Report Share Posted June 15, 2017 Like I said...it seems more like a mental health situation than a criminal one. Sounds like both people were unhealthy in the relationship department, and the self esteem department. She's *censored*ed up for convincing the guy to kill himself...but it sounds like your average tale of mentally distraught teens being stupid and dramatic. Stick her in an institution and call it a day. Putting her in prison does nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 From other articles that I read, she wanted attention for being "the grieving girlfriend." if true that to me screams guilty. And I hope she's happy with the attention she got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 ... and she was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrisetMaster908 Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 So now u can be charge if u tell someone to kill them and they do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 So now u can be charge if u tell someone to kill them and they do it Please, she had sent him 100's of texts telling him to do it, giving him idea's on how to do it etc. If she had said it once to him (like the way you make it sound) then she wouldn't been in trouble but that is clearly not the case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Even so he was 18. He lock himself in the car he was going to do it any way. She didn't make him do anything he wasn't already going to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Imperio Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 So now u can be charge if u tell someone to kill them and they do itSo you don't believe Charles Manson is guilty? Even so he was 18. He lock himself in the car he was going to do it any way. She didn't make him do anything he wasn't already going to doHe got out and went back because of her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 So now u can be charge if u tell someone to kill them and they do itSo you don't believe Charles Manson is guilty?Even so he was 18. He lock himself in the car he was going to do it any way. She didn't make him do anything he wasn't already going to doHe got out and went back because of her He also didn't go through with it on several different occasions and she kept convincing him to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted June 16, 2017 Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 So now u can be charge if u tell someone to kill them and they do it Telling someone =/= maliciously manipluating someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted June 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2017 Doesn't matter it be thrown out in appeal Under the law of her state she committed no crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Doesn't matter it be thrown out in appeal Under the law of her state she committed no crime Actually it's harder to get trial by judge ruling appealed, then it is a Trial by Jury. Also she was found guilty and Judge was able to do by her interpretation of that states law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted June 17, 2017 Report Share Posted June 17, 2017 Even so he was 18. He lock himself in the car he was going to do it any way. She didn't make him do anything he wasn't already going to do Did you even read anything about this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 I had the opinion that she was guilty, then I saw the main man Austin say something different, so now I think her sentence is bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Imperio Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 Not sure if joking or serious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey D. Jiggy Posted June 27, 2017 Report Share Posted June 27, 2017 We don't joke about the hard-hitting truths of AustinFan on this platform blud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Eastwood Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I had the opinion that she was guilty, then I saw the main man Austin say something different, so now I think her sentence is bullshit. Actually he said a few times that she is not guilty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted June 29, 2017 Report Share Posted June 29, 2017 I had the opinion that she was guilty, then I saw the main man Austin say something different, so now I think her sentence is bullshit. Actually he said a few times that she is not guilty Yes. Now Jiggy thinks her sentence is B.S. because Austin said so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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