Rekka_No_Ryo Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter - WWE has had plans for Roman Reigns to win the 2015 Royal Rumble and go on to defeat Brock Lesnar for the WWE World Heavyweight Title at WrestleMania 31 but there is a lot of skepticism on whether or not Reigns is ready for a push that big. While Reigns may need some promo work and isn't that good on his own in lengthy singles matches, WWE is in need of a new top babyface star and that spot is his. There were plans for Randy Orton to to continue turning but Orton isn't a new star. Daniel Bryan is not WWE's type for the main event role, no matter how fans react to him, and there are still uncertainties regarding Bryan's future due to neck and elbow injuries. That leaves Reigns and Dean Ambrose as the new top babyfaces. Ambrose is a better in-ring worker and delivers better promos but he fits less into WWE's mold of what they want their top babyface star to be. While Ambrose and Reigns both do strong merchandise numbers, with Ambrose's new hoodie being #1 during Thanksgiving, neither is doing numbers strong enough to be a top guy. However, WWE will likely stick with the plans for Reigns' WrestleMania push as he's still considered the new top babyface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 If they considered Ambrose a top guy they would have had him go over Wyatt at the last PPV to build him for the Rumble match. Reigns is going to win it and will beat Brock at WM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Dear WWE, stop trying to make everything fit a mold. Wrestling fans like wrestling to appear as natural as possible. Making everything seem forced is not a good approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Crossface Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Morons. Ambrose is a better wrestler and a better talker. He can do all the power moves you want him to. He's even outselling Cena. But of course Vince has an erection for the muscly dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Morons. Ambrose is a better wrestler and a better talker. He can do all the power moves you want him to. He's even outselling Cena. But of course Vince has an erection for the muscly dudes.Still don't understand the logic of if a guy has muscle that automatically makes him a bad wrestler. But that being said I really don't think Ambrose or Reigns right now is ready to be the top guy and carry the company on their back. I really don't think that WWE has found "that guy" who can be the face of the company. But they will do their best to make it be Reigns and they are going to take a chance with him. We'll see what happens. The only guy I could see taking that top spot but it would look bad for him to be the one to beat Brock would be Dolph Ziggler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnapSuplex Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not pre- formatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowley Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not prmatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. When you open up a book, do you want to know how it ends after you read the first sentence on the first page? That's essentially what we're dealing with here. We've known that Roman Reigns is going to win the 2015 Royal Rumble since the 2014 rumble happened. Normally when you tell stories, you want to throw some twists and turns in there. They could make it seem less formatted by not telegraphing the outcome of a show an entire year in advance. It's too predictable but it's also too formatted in that they're not doing anything to make the story special or interesting. It's just a typical, cookie-cutter WWE push for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't deserve it. The story follows the same format that we've seen before, which is a story with no real character development or conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't get what the panic is. They can involve him in a bunch of potentially excellent feuds to enhance his character as well as groom him from an-ring standpoint for his eventual position at the top. It seems really forced and predictable at this point. I'm not totally against Reigns winning, but I wish they put more substance into his road to the Rumble victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not prmatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. When you open up a book, do you want to know how it ends after you read the first sentence on the first page? That's essentially what we're dealing with here. We've known that Roman Reigns is going to win the 2015 Royal Rumble since the 2014 rumble happened. Normally when you tell stories, you want to throw some twists and turns in there. They could make it seem less formatted by not telegraphing the outcome of a show an entire year in advance. It's too predictable but it's also too formatted in that they're not doing anything to make the story special or interesting. It's just a typical, cookie-cutter WWE push for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't deserve it. The story follows the same format that we've seen before, which is a story with no real character development or conflict. I'm just going to say this, the only way WWE can shock anyone anymore is by not releasing any info to the Internet, none! And maybe that is what they should do. Maybe they should not let wrestlers or employees post to social media, not let reporters get inside info, not hold taped events and all events are live etc. it would be difficult but certainly not impossible. Maybe then we can be surprised with outcomes and not disappointed by things that happen because we didnt know the result in advance. The problem is the Internet and us getting wind of plans in advance. We are the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Crossface Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Morons. Ambrose is a better wrestler and a better talker. He can do all the power moves you want him to. He's even outselling Cena. But of course Vince has an erection for the muscly dudes.Still don't understand the logic of if a guy has muscle that automatically makes him a bad wrestler. But that being said I really don't think Ambrose or Reigns right now is ready to be the top guy and carry the company on their back. I really don't think that WWE has found "that guy" who can be the face of the company. But they will do their best to make it be Reigns and they are going to take a chance with him. We'll see what happens. The only guy I could see taking that top spot but it would look bad for him to be the one to beat Brock would be Dolph Ziggler. Did I say that muscly dudes are automatically bad wresters? No. Cesaro had the muscles, great wrestling ability and fan support but Vinny O Mac proved to be an out of touch senile old man who has no idea what we want. In this case Vince is sticking with his usual pattern of inexperienced brawns over fan demand. He clearly has no concern for the future of his own company, the guy freakin brought Big Dave in to push Bryan out of his spot despite the overwhelming fan support and merchandise he was making for his company plus being a great wrestler who can more than hang with the big guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Morons. Ambrose is a better wrestler and a better talker. He can do all the power moves you want him to. He's even outselling Cena. But of course Vince has an erection for the muscly dudes.Still don't understand the logic of if a guy has muscle that automatically makes him a bad wrestler. But that being said I really don't think Ambrose or Reigns right now is ready to be the top guy and carry the company on their back. I really don't think that WWE has found "that guy" who can be the face of the company. But they will do their best to make it be Reigns and they are going to take a chance with him. We'll see what happens. The only guy I could see taking that top spot but it would look bad for him to be the one to beat Brock would be Dolph Ziggler. Did I say that muscly dudes are automatically bad wresters? No. Cesaro had the muscles, great wrestling ability and fan support but Vinny O Mac proved to be an out of touch senile old man who has no idea what we want. In this case Vince is sticking with his usual pattern of inexperienced brawns over fan demand. He clearly has no concern for the future of his own company, the guy freakin brought Big Dave in to push Bryan out of his spot despite the overwhelming fan support and merchandise he was making for his company plus being a great wrestler who can more than hang with the big guys. The problem with Cesaro wasn't his look or his in ring ability, it's his mic skills and character. He would never be the guy who could be the top guy. Vince did that because he doesn't want Bryan to be the face of the company, none of the higher ups do and it will probably never happen no matter how much te fans cheer for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classiq. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 If Ambrose is a top babyface then why can't he win the title again? Because he doesn't have "the look"? Anyone remember someone by the name of Daniel Bryan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowley Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not prmatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. When you open up a book, do you want to know how it ends after you read the first sentence on the first page? That's essentially what we're dealing with here. We've known that Roman Reigns is going to win the 2015 Royal Rumble since the 2014 rumble happened. Normally when you tell stories, you want to throw some twists and turns in there. They could make it seem less formatted by not telegraphing the outcome of a show an entire year in advance. It's too predictable but it's also too formatted in that they're not doing anything to make the story special or interesting. It's just a typical, cookie-cutter WWE push for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't deserve it. The story follows the same format that we've seen before, which is a story with no real character development or conflict. I'm just going to say this, the only way WWE can shock anyone anymore is by not releasing any info to the Internet, none! And maybe that is what they should do. Maybe they should not let wrestlers or employees post to social media, not let reporters get inside info, not hold taped events and all events are live etc. it would be difficult but certainly not impossible. Maybe then we can be surprised with outcomes and not disappointed by things that happen because we didnt know the result in advance. The problem is the Internet and us getting wind of plans in advance. We are the problem. That's silly. You don't have to be visiting wrestling forums and dirtsheets (they're wrong half the time anyway) to have known for months that Reigns is their first choice to win the Rumble. Anyone who has been watching wrestling for more than a year can see everything WWE has planned coming well in advance. If anything, the whole self loathing, anti-smark, "we are the problem" mentality has done more damage to pro wrestling than the internet. People's expectations of WWE are way too low. They allow their intelligence to be insulted on a weekly basis yet blame themselves for everything that goes wrong. I swear, wrestling fans are some of the most depressing people on earth. Don't get so down on yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crack. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't even care any more, let the dude beat Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not prmatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. When you open up a book, do you want to know how it ends after you read the first sentence on the first page? That's essentially what we're dealing with here. We've known that Roman Reigns is going to win the 2015 Royal Rumble since the 2014 rumble happened. Normally when you tell stories, you want to throw some twists and turns in there. They could make it seem less formatted by not telegraphing the outcome of a show an entire year in advance. It's too predictable but it's also too formatted in that they're not doing anything to make the story special or interesting. It's just a typical, cookie-cutter WWE push for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't deserve it. The story follows the same format that we've seen before, which is a story with no real character development or conflict. I'm just going to say this, the only way WWE can shock anyone anymore is by not releasing any info to the Internet, none! And maybe that is what they should do. Maybe they should not let wrestlers or employees post to social media, not let reporters get inside info, not hold taped events and all events are live etc. it would be difficult but certainly not impossible. Maybe then we can be surprised with outcomes and not disappointed by things that happen because we didnt know the result in advance. The problem is the Internet and us getting wind of plans in advance. We are the problem. That's silly. You don't have to be visiting wrestling forums and dirtsheets (they're wrong half the time anyway) to have known for months that Reigns is their first choice to win the Rumble. Anyone who has been watching wrestling for more than a year can see everything WWE has planned coming well in advance. If anything, the whole self loathing, anti-smark, "we are the problem" mentality has done more damage to pro wrestling than the internet. People's expectations of WWE are way too low. They allow their intelligence to be insulted on a weekly basis yet blame themselves for everything that goes wrong. I swear, wrestling fans are some of the most depressing people on earth. Don't get so down on yourself. I'm not blaming myself at all I was just stating the obvious. There are millions of fans that do read the wrestling news sites and know what is going to happen even before they go to the event and it's been my impression that a lot of the time when it comes to predicting what is going to happens a Lot of times the "dirtsheets" are pretty accurate. If WWE stopped all "spoilers" from getting out and made sure that the locker room and backstage was closed to the press, you're telling me that there wouldn't be a little better element of surprise to the events and for the fans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't even care any more, let the dude beat Lesnar. Deep down, I know you can't wait to see him Superman Punch the shit out of Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crack. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Don't know about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crowley Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Roman simply isn't ready to face Lesnar. It will expose him as not being ready also. If they really want him to lead the company through the next decade, wait until WM32 in front of 100K fans, make the people WANT him to win and it seem real, rather than formatted. How do you do make it seem real and not prmatted when the winner of the Rumble is the guy who fights for the title?? So of course the only way for him to fight for the title is by winning the Rumble. When you open up a book, do you want to know how it ends after you read the first sentence on the first page? That's essentially what we're dealing with here. We've known that Roman Reigns is going to win the 2015 Royal Rumble since the 2014 rumble happened. Normally when you tell stories, you want to throw some twists and turns in there. They could make it seem less formatted by not telegraphing the outcome of a show an entire year in advance. It's too predictable but it's also too formatted in that they're not doing anything to make the story special or interesting. It's just a typical, cookie-cutter WWE push for a guy who isn't ready and doesn't deserve it. The story follows the same format that we've seen before, which is a story with no real character development or conflict. I'm just going to say this, the only way WWE can shock anyone anymore is by not releasing any info to the Internet, none! And maybe that is what they should do. Maybe they should not let wrestlers or employees post to social media, not let reporters get inside info, not hold taped events and all events are live etc. it would be difficult but certainly not impossible. Maybe then we can be surprised with outcomes and not disappointed by things that happen because we didnt know the result in advance. The problem is the Internet and us getting wind of plans in advance. We are the problem. That's silly. You don't have to be visiting wrestling forums and dirtsheets (they're wrong half the time anyway) to have known for months that Reigns is their first choice to win the Rumble. Anyone who has been watching wrestling for more than a year can see everything WWE has planned coming well in advance. If anything, the whole self loathing, anti-smark, "we are the problem" mentality has done more damage to pro wrestling than the internet. People's expectations of WWE are way too low. They allow their intelligence to be insulted on a weekly basis yet blame themselves for everything that goes wrong. I swear, wrestling fans are some of the most depressing people on earth. Don't get so down on yourself. I'm not blaming myself at all I was just stating the obvious. There are millions of fans that do read the wrestling news sites and know what is going to happen even before they go to the event and it's been my impression that a lot of the time when it comes to predicting what is going to happens a Lot of times the "dirtsheets" are pretty accurate. If WWE stopped all "spoilers" from getting out and made sure that the locker room and backstage was closed to the press, you're telling me that there wouldn't be a little better element of surprise to the events and for the fans? I don't think it'd make the show any less predictable. The problem isn't the internet or the fans, it's formulaic, uninspired storytelling. Breaking Bad is widely considered to be one of the best TV shows of all time. Before it ended, the script leaked on the internet. The vast majority of fans did not want to read the spoilers though. That's because the story was so well told and they knew that in order to fully experience it and enjoy it the way it was meant to be enjoyed, they had to wait. The fact that so many wrestling fans read what happens on Smackdown but don't actually watch it is evidence that it's just something that isn't worth watching. And I'm allowed to make the Breaking Bad comparison, because Vince McMahon himself says that WWE is not pro wrestling. He makes a point to always say that his product isn't competing with TNA or the UFC, it's competing with prime time dramas and sitcoms. So why are some fans so afraid to hold WWE to a higher standard when the big guy himself is giving them the okay to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Counting Lights Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Dean is the superior choice, no question, though I think Ziggler is better than both right now. Dude is hella hot and got a ton of credibility from Survivor Series. If he enters first in the Rumble and wins, I don't think people would question his endurance to go against Lesnar. He could definitely play the match from a more technical, strategic angle, where he out speeds Lesnar and hits big moves until the someth superkick or Zig Zag finally takes Brock out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Crossface Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Morons. Ambrose is a better wrestler and a better talker. He can do all the power moves you want him to. He's even outselling Cena. But of course Vince has an erection for the muscly dudes.Still don't understand the logic of if a guy has muscle that automatically makes him a bad wrestler. But that being said I really don't think Ambrose or Reigns right now is ready to be the top guy and carry the company on their back. I really don't think that WWE has found "that guy" who can be the face of the company. But they will do their best to make it be Reigns and they are going to take a chance with him. We'll see what happens. The only guy I could see taking that top spot but it would look bad for him to be the one to beat Brock would be Dolph Ziggler. Did I say that muscly dudes are automatically bad wresters? No. Cesaro had the muscles, great wrestling ability and fan support but Vinny O Mac proved to be an out of touch senile old man who has no idea what we want. In this case Vince is sticking with his usual pattern of inexperienced brawns over fan demand. He clearly has no concern for the future of his own company, the guy freakin brought Big Dave in to push Bryan out of his spot despite the overwhelming fan support and merchandise he was making for his company plus being a great wrestler who can more than hang with the big guys. The problem with Cesaro wasn't his look or his in ring ability, it's his mic skills and character. He would never be the guy who could be the top guy. Vince did that because he doesn't want Bryan to be the face of the company, none of the higher ups do and it will probably never happen no matter how much te fans cheer for him. This part right here I couldn't disagree with more. People like to give off the excuse of "lacking charisma" with Cesar when there's been tons of champions in each era that never showed the super flamboyant confident guy ready to be the champion. A great example is Diesel. Another one would be Big Show, even Randy Orton. Charisma is all about connecting with the audience. Bryan found a way to do it with the YES! chant, Cesaro found his way of connecting with the audience with the giant swing. And Cesaro's character portrays a serious competitor who gets down to business and can be very cocky at moments. I sure as hell know Batista was like this and he's won 6 World Championships. So why isn't Cesaro a champion? And the fact that Vince doesn't want Bryan being at the top is considered a viable reason is just dumb. We pay to watch the show, we should get the product we all want. We want Bryan to be the face of the company, we should get Bryan as the face of the company. I honestly hope the Philly crowd throw shit into the ring if Reigns wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Dean is the superior choice, no question, though I think Ziggler is better than both right now. Dude is hella hot and got a ton of credibility from Survivor Series. If he enters first in the Rumble and wins, I don't think people would question his endurance to go against Lesnar. He could definitely play the match from a more technical, strategic angle, where he out speeds Lesnar and hits big moves until the someth superkick or Zig Zag finally takes Brock out. That would be a really cool final push for Ziggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy. Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 Ziggler winning would be the best thing ever. I don't expect them to go through with it, but if he wins, it'll be such a fitting end to a smooth, picture perfect rise and he'll be legit made. Of course, capped off by beating Lesnar at 'Mania. At this point, I want him to be the winner more than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glchitman Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 The issue isn't about being the top guy right now, the issue is who is going to be the guy handpicked to beat the guy who beat the streak, Lesnar. That's the issue. WWE is using that angle so that they can push Reigns to being that top guy. They are not going to put Ziggler or Ambrose in that spot because they don't think it's believable enough for either to beat Lesnar and they want whoever beats him to be the guy who is going to lead the company for the next few years, they believe that to be Reigns. Now I personally think that Ziggler is the guy who can be the next big star as well as Ryback, Ambrose and Rollins. But I understand that WWE has a lot invested in Roman and I can see why they'd want to give him that monster push over Lesnar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted December 19, 2014 Report Share Posted December 19, 2014 I don't understand why there needs to be a "top guy" anyways. Why not have multiple guys at the top, all of whom are seen as equally strong. have em put on good matches instead of having everyone lie down for one guy and actually build up interesting feuds in which we can't predict who wins and who loses. I'm friggin tired of there always being one guy at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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