LEGION Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmerc Posted March 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I think The Last Jedi gets better with each viewing. Anyone disagree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam the d00d Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters. I disagree. I don't see why that would have been a better idea than original scripts that offer a lot more freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaperThinWalls Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I've only seen Last Jedi once, but I think the Rey/Luke/Kylo plot line had some of the best stuff I've seen in a Stars War movie; I really found myself enjoying that portion. It's too bad everything else isn't so great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I've only seen Last Jedi once, but I think the Rey/Luke/Kylo plot line had some of the best stuff I've seen in a Stars War movie; I really found myself enjoying that portion. It's too bad everything else isn't so great. Gotta agree. I really enjoyed that stuff, I loved learning new things about the Force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam the d00d Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 I've only seen Last Jedi once, but I think the Rey/Luke/Kylo plot line had some of the best stuff I've seen in a Stars War movie; I really found myself enjoying that portion. It's too bad everything else isn't so great. That's how I view it. The whole Jedi plotline with the Jedi characters is probably the best Star Wars has been since the original trilogy. The stuff with the supporting characters is a bit messy though. The stuff with Luke for me is a perfect though and I wouldn't change a thing. I felt they gave him a great send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Not just that but Kylo and Rey tornado tag teaming against Snoke's guards is one of the best duel fights in the series! As for the rest, I'm just glad Po had a bigger and great role in this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? But then again, I've not cared to read books that take place before Phantom Menace, so yeah. :\ Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters. I disagree. I don't see why that would have been a better idea than original scripts that offer a lot more freedom. They can have freedom even if they use the books as their source, especially since Expanded Universe is not canon anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted March 29, 2018 Report Share Posted March 29, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? You don't. And you don't need to... Especially not if you're just going to kill them off (or in Leia's case not kill them off) for pure expectation subversion/shock value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Wait, are we talking about not needing the old characters for movies based on the books or just in general? if in general then I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 I've talked before about really wanting a Shadows of the Empire movie. I wouldn't mind a movie without the original trilogy characters. A Knights of the Old Rebulic movie would still be awesome. The Game of Thrones writers are perfect for that and can use the KOTR games as a template Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam the d00d Posted March 30, 2018 Report Share Posted March 30, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? You don't. And you don't need to...Especially not if you're just going to kill them off (or in Leia's case not kill them off) for pure expectation subversion/shock value Which none of the new movies have done so far if that's what you're implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Watching The Last Jedi again, and I just remembered the shitty story/romance with Rose and Finn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? You don't. And you don't need to...Especially not if you're just going to kill them off (or in Leia's case not kill them off) for pure expectation subversion/shock value Which none of the new movies have done so far if that's what you're implying. Uh, yes. Yes they have. Force Awakens comes out...Han dies instead of Chewie Finally met Luke Skywalker again? Carrie Fisher died irl? Luke dies because Leia is Superman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 The way Leia survived the vacuum was ridiculous, unless anyone can actually survive that. I'm still underwhelmed by Luke, expected actual fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? You don't. And you don't need to...Especially not if you're just going to kill them off (or in Leia's case not kill them off) for pure expectation subversion/shock value Which none of the new movies have done so far if that's what you're implying. Uh, yes. Yes they have. Force Awakens comes out...Han dies instead of Chewie Finally met Luke Skywalker again? Carrie Fisher died irl? Luke dies because Leia is Superman. Han died in service to the plot. Plot being to cement Kylo's darkside. Luke died for the Force. The Force had failed him and he had failed the Force. He also died to help Rey. All deaths in fiction are for shock value at a base level. Doesn't mean they also can't mean something, which those two did. Leia somehow being Superman I have no argument for. Also "instead of Chewie." Urm, what? Since when was it either Chewie or Han? Since when was it likely Chewie was gonna die? It was always obvious Han was. I'm fairly certain you could ask most people who was likely to die in TFA and they would say Han. Chewie is a good supporting character who can be used for physicality, like in fight scenes and flying the Falcon. You only need to use a stunt guy for that and not a highly paid actor. Lmao Chewie was never going to die mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 It was ridiculous but the explanation was apparently the force within. She was already dying and freezing up in space It wasn't like she wasn't affected at all. Came back in and still needed medical attention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepia Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 'The Force Within' shouldn't be the answer though. The Force shouldn't be used as some deus ex machina to save characters from death for some reason that is never explained. They did a lot of interesting things with the Force in TLJ, they did some cool new things with it, but kinda made it all cheap by having it save Leia from death ... somehow. It really takes away anything serious happening in the franchise because the Force can just sort everything and nobody ever has to worry. It's like putting a soft blanket under everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Agreed, That's why I said it was ridiculous. Very badly executed and makes me wonder what JJ Abrams would have done I'm also still very mixed on the Kylo/Rey mind teleportation stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam the d00d Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 Still should have gone with a book series instead, but I guess it'd have been a risk due to the actors' age in contrast to their characters.could have just done without the old crew how can you have Han, Leia, or Luke without Harrison, Carrie, or Mark? You don't. And you don't need to...Especially not if you're just going to kill them off (or in Leia's case not kill them off) for pure expectation subversion/shock value Which none of the new movies have done so far if that's what you're implying. Uh, yes. Yes they have.Force Awakens comes out...Han dies instead of Chewie Finally met Luke Skywalker again? Carrie Fisher died irl? Luke dies because Leia is Superman. None of that was for expectation subversion/shock value though. All the deaths serve the story. Why would you expect Chewie to die? Han's death serves a purpose in the story, particularily Kylo Ren's arc. Leia doesn't die because they filmed all her scenes before Carrie died. Rian didn't want real life events to effect his script. The stupid Superman scene was filmed while she was still alive. Also Luke doesn't die because of Leia, what the hell are you even talking about? None of what you said is a strong argument against my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M3J Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 It was ridiculous but the explanation was apparently the force within. She was already dying and freezing up in space It wasn't like she wasn't affected at all. Came back in and still needed medical attention That explanation would make no sense and kinda create retcons because most Jedis and Siths could have saved themselves in this way, maybe. Dunno about wounds like blaster wounds or lightsabers though, but if it wasn't entirely fatal.... She recovered in a day or so though, far too quickly after being out in space for a while. And then to fly like that.... Kylo-Rey mind communication was kinda odd, but it's not unheard of, is it? Luke could communicate with Leia similarly too, and Leia had no idea she had the potential to use the Force. Rey and Kylo vs. the guards was a fun fight though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster Than Light Posted April 4, 2018 Report Share Posted April 4, 2018 lol at the idea of Han dying for "shock value" "instead of Chewie." Han's death had a clear purpose for Ren's character. And why does Chewie have to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senex Beast Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 It fit the story, it was obviously leading that way with Han going to confront Ben/Kylo and plus it was always expected as Harrison Ford has wanted Han to die since Empire Strikes Back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmerc Posted April 5, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I like to think that it was Kylo that force pushed Leia back into the ship. He didnt shoot them out so maybe he saved her too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam the d00d Posted April 5, 2018 Report Share Posted April 5, 2018 I'm fine with the concept of the Leia thing. I like the idea of the force manifesting in various ways. That not all force users are capable of the same things. It's not a superpower, it's not a moveset. It's not gaining this many skill points to unlock new force ability. That's so video-gamey and bullshit. Instead the force can work in mysterious ways. I just think the way it was executed was questionable at best. It's undeniably a silly image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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