Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 As in, you could no longer upload/download movesets via Community Creations.My reasoning for this is because this is the primary way people share modded movesets for the sake of cheating. The number of people capable of procuring the cheats themselves are drastically lower than the people who simply download a created character or moveset with the mods contained therein.So if the ability to upload and share movesets was removed, it would mean that you couldn't share movesets and caws would have movesets preset to default when uploaded to Community Creations.While it wouldn't completely stop the cheating, I feel it would do much in the way of limiting the spread and usage of mods.I know it would become a very big inconvenience for people who rely on downloading movesets for characters, but I feel that the good would outweigh the bad, especially considering that people still share movesets on sites like caws.ws.So, how would you feel if this were to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango kid Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 honesty I wouldn't mind I do my own movesets there not 100 percent exact but I never want them to be anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 People will always cheat, you cant stop it. If you cant share movesets? cool Lets just put the hacked moveset on a CAW instead. I personally think that would be a MAJOR set back. You missed the part where I said that caws would have the movesets defaulted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Awful idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Awful idea Can you explain why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEGION Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Awful idea Can you explain why? Isn't that obvious?Your idea would only help the people who play online. Every damn CAW on CC would have a default moveset. creating the right/perfect moveset takes up 20-40 minutes (atleast for me). 20min x 50 CAWS = 1,000 minutes. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. How do people cheat using paint tools and custom entrances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Then what are your ideas for improving? The whole point of the topic is to discuss how to resolve an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. How do people cheat using paint tools and custom entrances? I never said they cheat by using them, but to automatically default a moveset would mean doing it for all CAWS, even non-hacked ones. So your taking away the hard work the person creating the CAW done by doing so. So if your going to do that, why not take away everything else? It is a stupid idea. People will still exploit hacked movesets none the less online like everyone is saying so taking it away from community creations will not solve anything. The suggestion of removing custom movesets from CAWS is one of the worst ideas ever. Because you would be punishing everyone not just hackers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Then what are your ideas for improving? The whole point of the topic is to discuss how to resolve an issue. Simple. They get off their lazy asses, and actually investigate the report system. if they find something modded specifically to give one player a cheap advantage over the other, they remove it. The problem wasn't the system (well... the servers were a problem) it was THQ being a bunch of lazy pricks and completely ignoring their jobs within the first two weeks of the games launch, THEN deciding to just whipe everything on a predictable basis instead of doing said job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Then what are your ideas for improving? The whole point of the topic is to discuss how to resolve an issue. Simple. They get off their lazy asses, and actually investigate the report system. if they find something modded specifically to give one player a cheap advantage over the other, they remove it. The problem wasn't the system (well... the servers were a problem) it was THQ being a bunch of lazy pricks and completely ignoring their jobs within the first two weeks of the games launch, THEN deciding to just whipe everything on a predictable basis instead of doing said job. I agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. How do people cheat using paint tools and custom entrances? I never said they cheat by using them, but to automatically default a moveset would mean doing it for all CAWS, even non-hacked ones. So your taking away the hard work the person creating the CAW done by doing so. So if your going to do that, why not take away everything else? It is a stupid idea. People will still exploit hacked movesets none the less online like everyone is saying so taking it away from community creations will not solve anything. The suggestion of removing custom movesets from CAWS is one of the worst ideas ever. Because you would be punishing everyone not just hackers. You do have valid points. Perhaps I'm too used to making my own movesets, since I've either been dissatisfied with someone else's work or the caw I downloaded had no moveset. That said, what kind of alternatives would you suggest in regards to the issue of cheating? You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Then what are your ideas for improving? The whole point of the topic is to discuss how to resolve an issue. Simple. They get off their lazy asses, and actually investigate the report system. if they find something modded specifically to give one player a cheap advantage over the other, they remove it. The problem wasn't the system (well... the servers were a problem) it was THQ being a bunch of lazy pricks and completely ignoring their jobs within the first two weeks of the games launch, THEN deciding to just whipe everything on a predictable basis instead of doing said job. What about people who have already downloaded a modified moveset? How would they be handled? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. How do people cheat using paint tools and custom entrances? I never said they cheat by using them, but to automatically default a moveset would mean doing it for all CAWS, even non-hacked ones. So your taking away the hard work the person creating the CAW done by doing so. So if your going to do that, why not take away everything else? It is a stupid idea. People will still exploit hacked movesets none the less online like everyone is saying so taking it away from community creations will not solve anything. The suggestion of removing custom movesets from CAWS is one of the worst ideas ever. Because you would be punishing everyone not just hackers. You do have valid points. Perhaps I'm too used to making my own movesets, since I've either been dissatisfied with someone else's work or the caw I downloaded had no moveset. That said, what kind of alternatives would you suggest in regards to the issue of cheating? Sorry to say this but there is no alternative. No matter what you do, the lazy players and the griefers will ALWAYS find a way to cheat. They will abuse the good nature of others (like using Brienj's tool which was made solely to better the experience) to just straight up hex edit hacking. The only way in hell that cheaters will be dealt with is if the devs start using the report system correctly. Removing things and punishing all players will only make things worse, not better. This would just take away from peoples creativity. You could not share your custom made CAWS without there move-set. Not everyone has time to type up movesets. Yes people exploit and hack and make silly cheat movesets and yes it is annoying to come across one while in a match online. But don't punish those who don't exploit it. Just add the players who use them to your avoided player list and continue to play those who don't use them. Asking to remove a CAWS moveset is like asking to remove all its paint tools and custom entrance. How do people cheat using paint tools and custom entrances? I never said they cheat by using them, but to automatically default a moveset would mean doing it for all CAWS, even non-hacked ones. So your taking away the hard work the person creating the CAW done by doing so. So if your going to do that, why not take away everything else? It is a stupid idea. People will still exploit hacked movesets none the less online like everyone is saying so taking it away from community creations will not solve anything. The suggestion of removing custom movesets from CAWS is one of the worst ideas ever. Because you would be punishing everyone not just hackers. You do have valid points. Perhaps I'm too used to making my own movesets, since I've either been dissatisfied with someone else's work or the caw I downloaded had no moveset. That said, what kind of alternatives would you suggest in regards to the issue of cheating? You want to punish everyone for the actions of a few assholes and fools. Never, EVER, EEEEVERRRR, remove. Only Improve. Then what are your ideas for improving? The whole point of the topic is to discuss how to resolve an issue. Simple. They get off their lazy asses, and actually investigate the report system. if they find something modded specifically to give one player a cheap advantage over the other, they remove it. The problem wasn't the system (well... the servers were a problem) it was THQ being a bunch of lazy pricks and completely ignoring their jobs within the first two weeks of the games launch, THEN deciding to just whipe everything on a predictable basis instead of doing said job. What about people who have already downloaded a modified moveset? How would they be handled? If they use them for single player, nobody gives a shyte. If they dare to use it in multiplayer, then once again, actual report system policing is in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 What kind of consequences would be in place for those who were reported and caught? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If they get up to par with the report system. After so many reports on the same player for a hacked moveset they should block there online pass for the game for a set period and reset there ranked status. If they proceed to continue and get reported so many times again there online pass should be banned for good. Or... they could find out where the hacker lives and do a Jay and Silent Bob...I have been lucky and not came across many hacked movesets online. But I have read about a lot of people who do it and in fairness if 2K want the majority of there players to continue to play there product they should be harsh on those who ruin it for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateboard Posted August 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If they get up to par with the report system. After so many reports on the same player for a hacked moveset they should block there online pass for the game for a set period and reset there ranked status. If they proceed to continue and get reported so many times again there online pass should be banned for good. Or... they could find out where the hacker lives and do a Jay and Silent Bob... I have been lucky and not came across many hacked movesets online. But I have read about a lot of people who do it and in fairness if 2K want the majority of there players to continue to play there product they should be harsh on those who ruin it for others. I agree with you though my faith in reporting systems is somewhat low on account of the fact that modified saves aren't even detectable via Microsoft's reporting systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROSS-Out Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If they get up to par with the report system. After so many reports on the same player for a hacked moveset they should block there online pass for the game for a set period and reset there ranked status. If they proceed to continue and get reported so many times again there online pass should be banned for good. Or... they could find out where the hacker lives and do a Jay and Silent Bob... I have been lucky and not came across many hacked movesets online. But I have read about a lot of people who do it and in fairness if 2K want the majority of there players to continue to play there product they should be harsh on those who ruin it for others. I agree with you though my faith in reporting systems is somewhat low on account of the fact that modified saves aren't even detectable via Microsoft's reporting systems. Modifying itself isn't the problem, its the people using those modifications to cheat. It was THQs job to monitor their report system, and they didn't do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If all else fails, all you have to do is add the player to your avoid player list. I know I have done it for the few I have came across, along with a few who use spam created moves. But recently I have only had good matches when I have played... Even the one when I fought Michael Jackson and all he did was dance. (I actually got myself counted out, letting him win as it was really funny to see even after beating him senseless he continued to just do dance taunts.) What report system? LOL. after a match, you could report the player if you pressed x or something when it tells you who won or lost. gives you a wee bit to type in and say what they did but the whole thing was pointless shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sexual Tyrannosaurus Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 Personally wouldn't care less. Movesets are usually half-arsed on community creations. Besides, when it comes to making real wrestler movesets, I'm the boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velzian Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 If all else fails, all you have to do is add the player to your avoid player list. I know I have done it for the few I have came across, along with a few who use spam created moves. But recently I have only had good matches when I have played... Even the one when I fought Michael Jackson and all he did was dance. (I actually got myself counted out, letting him win as it was really funny to see even after beating him senseless he continued to just do dance taunts.) What report system? LOL. after a match, you could report the player if you pressed x or something when it tells you who won or lost. gives you a wee bit to type in and say what they did but the whole thing was pointless shenanigans. I was being sarcastic man Jeezo... I've just relized how many posts I made last night on many different topics. Me, drunk and the internet... BAD! Yet it has been the most active I have been in forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyriqz ✪ Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 I really wouldn't care, because I never download movesets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamthedoctor Posted August 4, 2013 Report Share Posted August 4, 2013 As in, you could no longer upload/download movesets via Community Creations. My reasoning for this is because this is the primary way people share modded movesets for the sake of cheating. The number of people capable of procuring the cheats themselves are drastically lower than the people who simply download a created character or moveset with the mods contained therein. So if the ability to upload and share movesets was removed, it would mean that you couldn't share movesets and caws would have movesets preset to default when uploaded to Community Creations. While it wouldn't completely stop the cheating, I feel it would do much in the way of limiting the spread and usage of mods. I know it would become a very big inconvenience for people who rely on downloading movesets for characters, but I feel that the good would outweigh the bad, especially considering that people still share movesets on sites like caws.ws. So, how would you feel if this were to happen? I wouldnt care as people make their own movesets up anyway when they make a CAW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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