Mick Foley No Longer Doing Program With Dean Ambrose?

[tonshaad1230]

Yeah we should trust some new guy because he's been here for how many years again, and plus he has that long time political say so , right? Honestly people if it's legit, it's legit. Just let it go for Christ's sakes. I will assure you that Mick Foley wouldn't go out on a limb and actually say this about some guy who he even says has the potential to make it big, just not with him feuding with him.

[V to I]

I'm as bummed about this as the next guy, but I do get where Mick is coming from. The dude is very fragile at this point in his career, he's not the same guy who killed himself to put like, Rock and Hunter and those guys over. This is the guy who's body is broken down and miraculously somehow still mobile after the hells he's put himself through for this business. He picks and chooses his battles now, and he obviously holds trust in a very high regard, I can't blame him either with all of the concussions and injuries he's had.

 

I think the whole thing is beyond Mox bringing his kids into this. While I'm sure it's got a big part in it, it's more that he specifically asked Mox not to do it yet he did anyway. It's about a level of trust, if he feels like he can't trust him out of the ring, how does he know he can trust him in it? I know it may seem oversensitive or stupid to us, but for a guy like Mick who's as broken down and beat up as he is, trust is all he's got.

 

I don't blame Moxley that much, I'm sure he just got carried away with it and didn't mean to step on Mick's toes like that. I'm just hoping it doesn't piss off management so they don't axe his push or anything. That'd royally suck.

[Thriller]

It's a work.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm confident this is a work. If it is legit, I can understand Foley's frustration, but he should know as well as anyone that it's only business.

[Crowley]

^^

I want to believe this is a work. I'd like to give Mick the benefit of the doubt here and say it is.

 

There's one thing that's keeping me from believing that though. His tone in that blog was not at all what we've come to expect from worked shoots or even more serious shoots in professional wrestling. He didn't just break kayfabe here. He completely destroyed it. He smashed kayfabe into a million pieces. Mick was famous for his shoots in ECW, but its not like him or any pro wrestler to do something like this just for the sake of a storyline. Acknowledging that its a storyline is one thing. He didn't just do that though. He admitted that all of this was shoot-style and meant to look real. That seems like a strange thing to do if he's trying to progress the storyline. But for the sake of argument, lets say that this is just an elaborate worked shoot. What is it then? Is this blog Foley shooting on a worked shoot? Shoot-ception? I suppose its possible, but it seems highly unlikely. They have to draw the line somewhere.

 

If it isn't real, I think ironically Foley was the one who went too far. It really bothers me when wrestlers try to get over by talking about how wrestling is fake. I have no problem with them doing a worked shoot a la CM Punk where they break the fourth wall but still present what happens in the ring as a real, competitive sport. I don't care if they come out of character or talk about what goes on backstage. A couple of really subtle hints at it being scripted is okay for a really serious shoot. But to go on and on talking candidly about how its all scripted like Foley did here isn't cool. This is Vince Russo bad. This is like that angle where Goldberg refused to follow the script. Too much of these things can suck the fun out of wrestling and there's not even a huge pay-off here. All Mick managed to do was sound like an uppity coward. I hate to bash Mick so much, but its true. Either way the guy is in the wrong. This is coming from his biggest fan.

[Scorpion™]

What does Ambrose mean by the Lost Generation? I didn't know who he was till a month ago.

[Oliber.]

^ then that's why he's lost.

 

From my perspective, Ambrose is a true part of a lost generation. Actually, I don't know which specific generation, but he's a mix of many iconic wrestlers from various eras. On one part, his promos either sound like Piper, Cactus Jack, and Jake Roberts. While his style in the ring is a throwback which varies from old school American wrestling with a few flashy moves here and there. And in a snap, he can go extreme and hardcore for a match. Plus he's adapted to his character, he sticks to it, mainly because he is playing as himself.

 

Mix it all up, his promo, his looks and ring psychology and you will see that he is a rare breed of a wrestler. One that can achieve fame quickly because he has the edge and advantages. Not that I'm saying he's one of the greatest, but damn, Moxley is really impressive from the start.

[Crowley]

What does Ambrose mean by the Lost Generation? I didn't know who he was till a month ago.

Well Dean used to wrestle for CZW, so he competed in a ton of really brutal death matches and he was brought up with a bunch of the death match guys. The general consensus in the wrestling industry is that those guys are just masochistic freaks with no direction. Unfortunately that's true for a lot of them, so I think thats what he means by "the lost generation". A few of those guys are actually good wrestlers but they'll never get hired by WWE or TNA and they'll just continue to kill themselves for the fans until they can't do it anymore. Dean also took it a step further by referencing kids who have died trying to imitate Foley with backyard wrestling. That's what I thought he meant by "lost generation". He's basically blaming Mick for making the fans so bloodthirsty.

[Scorpion™]

What does Ambrose mean by the Lost Generation? I didn't know who he was till a month ago.

Well Dean used to wrestle for CZW, so he competed in a ton of really brutal death matches and he was brought up with a bunch of the death match guys. The general consensus in the wrestling industry is that those guys are just masochistic freaks with no direction. Unfortunately that's true for a lot of them, so I think thats what he means by "the lost generation". A few of those guys are actually good wrestlers but they'll never get hired by WWE or TNA and they'll just continue to kill themselves for the fans until they can't do it anymore. Dean also took it a step further by referencing kids who have died trying to imitate Foley with backyard wrestling. That's what I thought he meant by "lost generation". He's basically blaming Mick for making the fans so bloodthirsty.

Thanks Crowley.

Now is he blaming him in "kayfabe" or really blaming him?

If he really is, I'd understand where he's coming from, but you can't blame someone's decisions on Foley. Mick didn't hold a gun to those guys heads and make them do it. I don't understand why a wrestler would even compete in places like CZW. I like an occasional deathmatch or two. But I hate places like CZW that are completely garbage promotions.

[FulGore]

I don't see what is so great about Ambrose, I never cared for him, so I couldn't careless about if this fued happens or not. But Micks blog post seems legit.

[Youssef]

It's a work:

 

Dean Ambrose will indeed be debuting on WWE’s main roster soon and the current storyline with Mick Foley is designed to make him a top name right off the bat. Ambrose was asked on Twitter what he thought about Foley’s recent blog on their encounters. Ambrose replied:

 

“To be honest, I expected a little more fight out of @realmickfoley. I mourn the loss of his “testicular fortitude”"

 

Partial source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

[HEELKris]

Is that why Dean Ambrose had a barbed wire design on his trunks and said ''I am a wrestling machine, a god a true hardcore legend!'' a few days ago, when he wrestled Riley in a dark match on Superstars?

 

It kinda reminds me of It Begins. Jericho kept saying ''No, no, it's not me'' but it was him. I don't believe Foley. I still think we'll see a confrontation between him and Ambrose soon.

[kdebones]

It's a work:

 

Dean Ambrose will indeed be debuting on WWE's main roster soon and the current storyline with Mick Foley is designed to make him a top name right off the bat. Ambrose was asked on Twitter what he thought about Foley's recent blog on their encounters. Ambrose replied:

 

"To be honest, I expected a little more fight out of @realmickfoley. I mourn the loss of his "testicular fortitude""

 

Partial source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

 

 

Well, by God if this is true Mick pulled the wool right over my goddamn eyes. The simple fact that he's still doing dark matches also supports this. Kudos to Moxley/Ambrose and Foley for giving up a line blurrer.

[WillowTheWhisp]

- The feud between Mick Foley and Dean Ambrose continues online but according to Foley, it's over. Foley has written a new blog about Ambrose on his official website. Here's part of what he wrote:

 

"Let me state for the record that I have only spoken to FCW prospect Dean Ambrose on three different occasions. Following his match on a WWE house show on Long Island, I went out of my way to tell him I had enjoyed his match. The skills and unique qualities qualities he posseses might very well make him a force to be reckoned with somewhere down the line. He has supporters in lofty places who feel he might be a huge asset to WWE for a decade or more in the future. I'm also told that his interviews ( "promos" as we call them) are compelling, intelligent and emotional; every bit as good as the top guys in WWE.

 

My second conversation with Mr Ambrose got quite a bit of attention. I know there has been alot of speculation as to the nature of this conversation. To me, it was whatever anyone wanted it to be; a shoot, a work, or somewhare in the middle - as almost all compelling pieces in sports-entertainment ultimately are.

I'm far more concerned with my third conversation with the guy. Look, Ive been accused from time to time of taking some things in the business a little too seriously. Maybe I do. But like that sailor-man of old, "I am what I am, and that's all that I am." After all these years, there are some things that just bother me. Remember that "Cane Dewey" promo from 1995 that so many are still fond of? It actually came from a very heavy place in my heart, when my wife impressed on me just how sick it was for any fan to be making a sign advocating the beating (even in jest) of my 3 year-old child.

 

That's the immediate feeling I got when I actually read the Dean Ambrose tweet that mentioned his dream to seeing me no longer able to make a dime in the Wrestling Buisness with a particularly nasty mention of how he wanted to see my home repossesed and my children starved. Maybe the 1995 Cactus Jack would have cut a promo on the guy. The 2102 Mick Foley just wonders what would make something say something so stupid, heartless and ignorant. I felt Dean Ambrose had crossed a line that shouldn't be crossed, so took the opportunity before the Hampton, Virginia Smackdown to ask/tell him to please stop crossing a line that I wasn't comfortable with. Rick Flair has once asked a similar consideration of me before a memorable promo we shared in New Jersey in 2006. Of course I honored his request. Ours is a business built on trust and respect. I thought Dean Ambrose understood this. But less than a day after making my request, I saw that my children were once again the subject of his tweets - a reference to how I might feel differently about something if my children were in wheel-chairs. Maybe I would have cut a heck of a promo about it in 1995. Seventeen years later, I just wanted to get the f--k away from the whole scenario. It's not fun, it's not cutting edge. It just sucks.

 

Sports-entertainment has to involve a certain ammount of respect and trust. It's pretty obvious Dean Ambrose doesn't have any respect for me, my requests, or what I have done in the wrestling business. Therefore I can't place the slightest ammount of trust in him. Has anyone wondered if I'm feeling better following the concussion I spoke of in that December 2010 TNA Impact promo with Flair? I'm not feeling too much better. I tend to have two types of days when it comes to that muted, under-water feeling I spoke of in that promo - bad and worse. I'm just not the same guy who took 11 chair shots from the Rock in 1999. I haven't been that guy in a long time. Given my history of concussions, I would have to be a fool to place my future in the hands of someone I don't trust. Perhaps I do have another decent match left in me. If so, it will be with a guy like Dolph Ziggler, who might well be the best worker in the business, and just needs that ONE little something to allow the WWE Universe to see how talented he really is. Or a guy like the Miz - one of the best heels of this generation. Say what you want to about Miz, but the guy is damn good at what he does.

 

But Dean Ambrose? No. I may not have the power I once did in the business, but I still have the power to say no to things that just flat-out seem wrong. Like trying to put Dean Ambrose on the WWE map. A few weeks ago, it seemed like an interesting challenge. Now, it seems like an insult. A few weeks ago, it seemed like cutting-edge stuff. Now it just seems like bulls--t. He is a very good talent. He has those supporters in high places. Let them wrestle him. Maybe they can put him on the WWE map. Good luck."

 

Seems legit. I hope not though, this was his real chance.

shiiii dean really *censored*ed this up for himself, but im glad he mentioned he'd work with ziggler and miz as im a fan of both

[Guitar]

It's a damn work. WWE officials wouldn't allow him to keep bringing up Mick's kids.

[D'Evil]

Foley successfully blew up the line between kayfabe and reality with an atomic bomb here.

 

Props to Foley for fooling me and others, Ambrose too, I was convinced he was just being an asshole as well.

[Angel With The Burnt Wings]

I now beleive it is a work. Mick Foley might not want to fued with Dean Ambrose... but I know a guy who will....

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68gwIbZ6jQ8

 

His name... IS CACTUS JACK

[getitcasey]

Considering when I was at FCW last week several stars said he got a call up & was done with FCW I think he is infact doing a program with Foley and it'll be on TV soon. Both guys are just tweeting and doing everything to make it seem as real as possible

[Rockstar™]

Work. Can't believe most of you bought into this.

 

Some of you need to realize that this is the INTERNET era. And what I meant by that is, kayfabe is used against the fans. The WWE (Vince) realized this when Punk's epic promo blew up and brought in a ton of revenue, this is the era where the lines of reality are blurred. Expect a ton more stuff like this, especially when they are pushing social media. This is the reality/internet era. And this is a great time to be a pro wrestling fan.

[Scorpion™]

Wow they've been blurring the lines of reality so well.