SniperOps Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 So I was reading that Miz is injured topic and I noticed everyone was dancing around all happy knowing that Miz was injured and maybe stripped from the WWE title. Though the report was BS, I'm still surprised at peoples reaction. I mean would you guys rather have Cena have a 10th reign and walk around with the the title and dominate again? Would you rather have Edge have another 2 month reign? Would you rather see Orton have another title reign? OR would you rather see someone fresh? Someone new in the main event scene holding the title. I like the Miz as the WWE champion. He's worked hard, and he's just as good on the mic and in the ring as all the names I mentioned above. I don't see why he doesn't deserve the WWE title when compared to Cena, Orton, Edge, and Sheamus. Why do they deserve it and why doesn't Miz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☯Krungy♤ Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yes, I don't like The Miz that much, but he clearley has worked his Ass off and deserves it. Peepz don't have to like him, but they should respect and recodnize him for how much he has improved and accomplished since his debut in 2007 and after his feud with Cena back in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronson Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 At first, I really hated when Miz won. But his reign has really grown on me. It seems like he's taken his title reign as a chance to get better and prove he's worth holding the belt, much like Sheamus did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haasamaniac Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I do like the Miz and I like how he's got the title but I don't like how his reign has been handled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggleford Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Miz is the weakest WWE champion in recent memory. The man hasn't gotten ONE clean title defense since he got the strap and always hides behind his lackey Alex Riley. He doesn't look like a credible champion at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriller Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='YourEvilHero' timestamp='1296892015' post='7897576'] So I was reading that Miz is injured topic and I noticed everyone was dancing around all happy knowing that Miz was injured and maybe stripped from the WWE title. Though the report was BS, I'm still surprised at peoples reaction. I mean would you guys rather have Cena have a 10th reign and walk around with the the title and dominate again? Would you rather have Edge have another 2 month reign? Would you rather see Orton have another title reign? OR would you rather see someone fresh? Someone new in the main event scene holding the title. I like the Miz as the WWE champion. He's worked hard, and he's just as good on the mic and in the ring as all the names I mentioned above. I don't see why he doesn't deserve the WWE title when compared to [b]Cena, Orton[/b], Edge, and Sheamus. Why do they deserve it and why doesn't Miz? [/quote] They don't deserve it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vapor Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I like Miz, but he is a pretty weak champion, so no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackToxic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 No i do not like The Miz, i don't think he's Main Event Material at all and i think him holding the title is a joke and a big knock to any credibility the WWE Title still had. They may aswell have Zach Gowen holding the title because he'd look just as believable, it says alot when WWE don't even want to try book him as a believable Champ either, they keep making sure we know that anyone could beat Miz, even Lawler, he's booked very weak and while having Riley help him pick up the win to keep the title is the norm' heel tactic, it's clearly put there because him beating any Main Eventer straight up just isn't believable and will never be, i question why WWE would wish to put a title on someone they don't seem to think they can keep as a Champ' for the long run or do much with beyond what he's doing now. Miz should have failed to cash in his MITB Shot and that should have been it. I Personally couldn't care less if he's gone through the struggle of the locker room and nobody believed he could make it etc etc, it's great that he went from the green joke that debuted with everyone facepalming that he was in the WWE to someone who can get by in the WWE and someone who has clearly improved x100 in the last few years and earned his respect, but does that mean he deserves the title? No. It's good that he has improved so quickly but when you turn up as green as he was and then get trained by some of the best trainers in the business then the fans are going to notice it alot more they you would over someone who has debuted with all the basic skills, 'cause Miz didn't even seem to have those when he came, it's going to show. As for him deserving a title because of the locker room stuff, if everyone who had a hard time in the back got title reigns we'd have a hell of alot of former champions in the WWE. People can post "Better than Cena or Orton winning it again" but i don't see how that can justify Miz having the title at all, if the title needed to go on fresh shoulders then there were much better choices out there than Miz and i can't stand Cena but Miz hasn't brought anything "better" to the Main Event than another stale reign from those two and if anything after Orton's DTA Antics this year of being unstoppable it would make sense to put the title on him to capitalize on that. At least we wouldn't have Miz vs Lawler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcastic. Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yes, he has worked his arse off as champ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Awsome Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 i liked it at first but then as time went it it bored me more and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DicksnozzleMcGozzle Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Absolutely yes, he's the definition of a heel champion and draws tons of heat. I think he's done a swell job so far. [quote name='Shaggleford' timestamp='1296895784' post='7897602'] Miz is the weakest WWE champion in recent memory. The man hasn't gotten ONE clean title defense since he got the strap and always hides behind his lackey Alex Riley. He doesn't look like a credible champion at all. [/quote] John Morrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Gabriel 450 Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 first i hated him but these days he has worked his ass off to be a good champion,he cant defend his title fairly because he is a heel and thats is his gimmick,i want shemus to dominate a bit more,cena should have more fueds to prevent him from the wwe championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVF Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote]it says alot when WWE don't even want to try book him as a believable Champ either, they keep making sure we know that anyone could beat Miz, even Lawler, he's booked very weak and while having Riley help him pick up the win to keep the title is the norm' heel tactic, it's clearly put there because him beating any Main Eventer straight up just isn't believable and will never be, i question why WWE would wish to put a title on someone they don't seem to think they can keep as a Champ' for the long run or do much with beyond what he's doing now.[/quote] Isn't that the whole point though? He's not meant to be the guy who can wrestle rings round you, or dominate you. He's a chickedn-shit heel who cheats to win and in the fans eye's doesn't deserve to be there. People might call it 'weak booking' but this is the exact same thing they pulled with Angle in his first reign. I know I'm going to get some butthurt fanboys complaining that I compared their lord to The Miz, but it's true. You're supposed to want to see him lose the belt, you're supposed to want to see him get beaten up. What would be the point in having Miz be booked to look dominant? People would just complain more that he's being put over 'more deserving guys.' He's a young guy still, if you book him too strong now then you can't continue to build him up after he loses the title. This way he can continue to try and prove himself once he drops it. It was the same with Sheamus. If he'd just steamrolled through everyone at first then everything he did after wouldn't be able to compare, unless you just re-hashed his first reign constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kman Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 I think he is doing a good job as champ, he draws heat and is brilliant on the mic. As far as the 'can't get a clean win' thing goes, so what?! he is a trash talking heel who can't back it up in the ring, him cheating just makes him gain more heat from the fans. He isn't the first champion to use outside interference inorder to win matches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackToxic Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='RVF' timestamp='1296911223' post='7897843'] [quote]it says alot when WWE don't even want to try book him as a believable Champ either, they keep making sure we know that anyone could beat Miz, even Lawler, he's booked very weak and while having Riley help him pick up the win to keep the title is the norm' heel tactic, it's clearly put there because him beating any Main Eventer straight up just isn't believable and will never be, i question why WWE would wish to put a title on someone they don't seem to think they can keep as a Champ' for the long run or do much with beyond what he's doing now.[/quote] Isn't that the whole point though? He's not meant to be the guy who can wrestle rings round you, or dominate you. He's a chickedn-shit heel who cheats to win and in the fans eye's doesn't deserve to be there. People might call it 'weak booking' but this is the exact same thing they pulled with Angle in his first reign. I know I'm going to get some butthurt fanboys complaining that I compared their lord to The Miz, but it's true. You're supposed to want to see him lose the belt, you're supposed to want to see him get beaten up. What would be the point in having Miz be booked to look dominant? People would just complain more that he's being put over 'more deserving guys.' He's a young guy still, if you book him too strong now then you can't continue to build him up after he loses the title. This way he can continue to try and prove himself once he drops it. It was the same with Sheamus. If he'd just steamrolled through everyone at first then everything he did after wouldn't be able to compare, unless you just re-hashed his first reign constantly. [/quote] My Point was while that is a generic heel thing to do by having the guy winning all his matches by cheating, beyond that there is nothing much to do with Miz because he doesn't look credible and that is why personal tastes aside i think Miz was a bad choice, the "cheating to stay champ" booking is fine for now but in the long run i don't think you could ever take him winning serious and him having decent mic skills doesn't make up for them trying to make out he could survive in the ring against Main Eventers who often take out a ring full of men on their own with ease. Angle did the same thing as Miz sure, but Angle looked like he could beat those guys he was in the ring with and when his "cheat to win" tactics ran stale they could book him as a submission specialist or the fact he looked like he could take those guys out without cheating and when he did it was accepted, he simply had more dimensions to him than Miz does, i don't think Miz can do that, i don't think Miz has anything else and i don't think WWE is confident Miz can be booked to do anything else either. My Point wasn't that he should be booked stronger or booked to look dominant or run circles around his opponent, that of course would be stupid, my point was that he literally can't be booked to be anything than he is right now, they are stuck with him playing the role of an extremely weak wrestler who is cheating to win, which can only last so long before it's extremely stale. Miz and his character has nothing beyond that for him to go on and i think that is a big problem for him, because beyond what he's doing now there isn't anything else for him to do as a Heel and he'd be terrible as a face because he'd have to be booked to win a match straight up and with his size and look that only works for a handful of Wrestlers in WWE. Daniel Bryan also looks weak physically, but they can use his submission character to get him over Wrestlers who are very dominant in the ring, Mysterio uses his speed [i](but also struggles to look believable against the bigger guys)[/i], others are booked to be great technical wrestlers like Jericho that despite their size can over come the odds by catching a wrestler out and knowing all the reversals etc etc.. Miz doesn't have any of that, he isn't known for any of it and i don't think they could book him to be any of those things or re-invent him in the ring to have any edge over the likes of Cena/Orton/Sheamus etc that would be believable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3kings Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='BlackToxic' timestamp='1296904265' post='7897740'] People can post "Better than Cena or Orton winning it again" but i don't see how that can justify Miz having the title at all, if the title needed to go on fresh shoulders then there were much better choices out there than Miz and i can't stand Cena but Miz hasn't brought anything "better" to the Main Event than another stale reign from those two and if anything after Orton's DTA Antics this year of being unstoppable it would make sense to put the title on him to capitalize on that. At least we wouldn't have Miz vs Lawler. [/quote] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stenis Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Yes, Miz entertains me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdebones Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='RVF' timestamp='1296911223' post='7897843'] [quote]it says alot when WWE don't even want to try book him as a believable Champ either, they keep making sure we know that anyone could beat Miz, even Lawler, he's booked very weak and while having Riley help him pick up the win to keep the title is the norm' heel tactic, it's clearly put there because him beating any Main Eventer straight up just isn't believable and will never be, i question why WWE would wish to put a title on someone they don't seem to think they can keep as a Champ' for the long run or do much with beyond what he's doing now.[/quote] Isn't that the whole point though? He's not meant to be the guy who can wrestle rings round you, or dominate you. He's a chickedn-shit heel who cheats to win and in the fans eye's doesn't deserve to be there. People might call it 'weak booking' but this is the exact same thing they pulled with Angle in his first reign. I know I'm going to get some butthurt fanboys complaining that I compared their lord to The Miz, but it's true. You're supposed to want to see him lose the belt, you're supposed to want to see him get beaten up. What would be the point in having Miz be booked to look dominant? People would just complain more that he's being put over 'more deserving guys.' He's a young guy still, if you book him too strong now then you can't continue to build him up after he loses the title. This way he can continue to try and prove himself once he drops it. It was the same with Sheamus. If he'd just steamrolled through everyone at first then everything he did after wouldn't be able to compare, unless you just re-hashed his first reign constantly. [/quote] I believe that's the Koslove Effect. He dominated everyone he fought until he got his first loss to HBK, now look where he is (albiet Tag Team Champs, the belt has no credibility these days). As for Miz, I think he's being used exactly as he should. This IS his first title run. Compare it to how other heels acted when they first got it; hell, look at how Sheamus, who was in the same boat at the Miz when he first one it; he cheated as much as he can or won by a "fluke" as many people kept saying it. It's the same deal with Miz and it's a bigger shock then Booker T and Nash returning to the Royal Rumble that people don't realize that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Boyardee Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='ZimZum' timestamp='1296892356' post='7897581'] Yes, I don't like The Miz that much, but he clearley has worked his Ass off and deserves it. Peepz don't have to like him, but they should respect and recodnize him for how much he has improved and accomplished since his debut in 2007 and after his feud with Cena back in 2009. [/quote] This, and 0:40 - 0:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iXNAFqPhNw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V to I Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Nope. I didn't think he shouldve had the MITB and I don't think he shouldve had the WWE title either. I'll be glad when he drops the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 In short, no. Longer explanation? No, I don't like him as champion because I don't think he's anything special. Yeah...he gets on peoples' nerves, but that's not all it takes to make someone a good heel. I feel like people accept the Miz as champion merely because he makes a lot of people angry. That's a ridiculous reason to push someone. I know that he personally only makes me angry because he's so stale. His catchphrases all suck..."I'm Awesome" and "Really? Really? Really?" are both something a toddler could concoct. Miz is the heel equivalent of John Cena. Loads of people believe he deserves to be where he is, but he's boring as shit, and brings absolutely nothing new or interesting to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 He aint too bad, i like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seifer Almasy Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='stenis' timestamp='1296920191' post='7898031'] Yes, Miz entertains me. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juria Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 Really?, really? I'm glad to see Miz as champion. It's better than seeing the same guy over and over again. The funny thing is how many people wanted to see fresh, young talent with the title, they get it, and then complain. No pleasing some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generations Posted February 5, 2011 Report Share Posted February 5, 2011 [quote name='Juria' timestamp='1296932862' post='7898393'] The funny thing is how many people wanted to see fresh, young [b][u]talent[/u][/b] with the title, they get it, and then complain. No pleasing some people. [/quote] I underlined and bolded the key word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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